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F14A water jet 08-08-2019 11:31 AM

Replacement horn...is nothing simple?
 
I have a 1988 Formula 311 SR-1 and the horns sounded anemic so I ordered (what looked like) the closest replacements I could find. There was no connection diagram with the Seadog horns but the the hull has two sets of paired wires coming out so I snipped them and hooked the replacement horns up (as the "original" horns were hooked up). (Picture below)

When I pushed the horn button all I heard was an electronic noise/click but no real horn sound. I assumed that maybe the horns had a polarity issue, so I tried a couple of combinations. I discovered that when I hooked only on of the horns up (to either set of wires coming out of the hull) it worked as it should (so individually they both work)...but when I hooked both horns up to either one wire (coming out of the hull) or to separate wires coming out of the hull...NOTHING (But the click/electronic noise).
Any suggestions?
Could the horns be drawing to many amps from the "tired" electricals...I will say that the wiring looks in great shape.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Tomhttps://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...29f3d25e05.jpg

AllDodge 08-08-2019 03:41 PM

Use a voltmeter and find out if your getting any voltage and how much

F14A water jet 08-08-2019 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4701149)
Use a voltmeter and find out if your getting any voltage and how much

Good idea...
I checked the horns by hooking them both directly to 12V (my truck battery)...and they sounded fine.
I will check for sure BUT I believe both wires coming out of the boat hull have enough voltage to run either horn but not both horns...so I THINK its some sort of amp draw issue or some current restriction???
I pulled and reset the circuit breaker for the horn circuit (thinking that it might not be at 100%)...but that did not help the situation.
I am always stumped by electrical stuff...as a mechanical engineering student, I had to take one electrical class (TWICE)!

AllDodge 08-08-2019 05:45 PM

Many times the boat manufactures use to small a wire to carry the load, but knowing what the voltage is during activation will indicate what the issue would be

shunter2005 08-08-2019 06:01 PM

No post.

speicher lane 08-08-2019 06:26 PM

Undersized wires, multiple splices added over time and a bit of corrosion can greatly reduce the voltage actually getting to the accessory - in this case your horns

SB 08-08-2019 07:16 PM

Plus, hunk of schit bottom of the barrel manufacturing.

Replaced my horn with a Hella. Good company right ? Lasted the test 'blow' and that's it. Checked reviews on Amazon and that's what most reviews said. Doh !

F14A water jet 08-08-2019 08:20 PM

Thanks all!

F14A water jet 08-09-2019 02:18 PM

Newest information...I get 13+ volts out of each wire when the horn button is depressed.
Also, as I have stated, each horn works individually on either wire coming out of the boat hull BUT when I connect both up I get a kind of electric "thump" and no horn noise. However, when I have one horn hooked up and I depress the horn button (and the single horn works)...WHILE continuing to depress the horn button, if I attach the second set of wires to the horn, I get both horns working as designed/desired. If I let the horn button go and retry it...nothing.
Its like the first horn has to be up and running before the 2nd horn will work.
I hypothesize that the initial amp draw of the two horns simultaneously is to much for some component of the distribution???
Next, I will try jumpering across the horn button to see if that is the weak link...any other suggestions out there?
Thanks,Tom

F14A water jet 08-09-2019 02:22 PM

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AllDodge 08-09-2019 02:42 PM


I get 13+ volts out of each wire when the horn button is depressed.
Might be missing a ground if they are both hot

underpsi68 08-09-2019 04:33 PM

Is your horn listed here?
Sea-Dog : Quality Marine, Industrial and Rigging Hardware

F14A water jet 08-09-2019 04:36 PM

Yes Sea Dog brand

TomZ 08-10-2019 06:09 AM

I use a handheld air horn....

Tractionless 08-10-2019 08:36 AM

On a side note. I LOVE the title of your thread, I too find the easiest tasks wind up becoming half day ordeals and have coined the saying. "Nothing Ever Easy."

F14A water jet 08-10-2019 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4701339)

Yes...downloaded, thanks!

F14A water jet 08-10-2019 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4701414)
I use a handheld air horn....

I got air too...but just had the opportunity to TRY to make these work.

speicher lane 08-10-2019 04:57 PM

Two Questions - have you identified which grey wire is your Ground and which is hot in order to properly wire the horns?

2) Did you attempt to adjust the original horns? ( remove cover and there is a phillips screw with a locking nut on the horn... tun in or out to change pitch of the horns?

F14A water jet 08-11-2019 02:39 PM

So, I deduced that the horn button might be intermittent so I got a replacement at the home repair store. While removing the old button I touched two hot wires that popped the horn circuit breaker. When I reset the breaker (which I had manually pulled and reset at least 3-4 times) I noticed a distinct "click" and the original horn button and new replacement dual horns started working as advertised.
I'm guessing that the contacts in the circuit breaker were contaminated???
Anyway, horns are working and thanks to all for the help.
Tom

Baja Rooster 08-12-2019 01:26 PM

True, nothing on boats is simple or straightforward, lol.

I have a 20 year old freshwater Baja with a ton of electrical gremlins. Their wiring was of minimal quality to begin with and add in normal use and typical corrosion after time and you’ll have the issues that you’re having now. I completely stripped the bilge and rigged it with new equipment, and will redo the rest of the boat this winter as well.

SB 08-12-2019 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4701684)
True, nothing on boats is simple or straightforward, lol.


I don't suggest working on any Chrysler products then. :) Mitsubishi should be without question. That's just the start of my list. :)

F14A water jet 08-12-2019 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4701684)
True, nothing on boats is simple or straightforward, lol.

I have a 20 year old freshwater Baja with a ton of electrical gremlins. Their wiring was of minimal quality to begin with and add in normal use and typical corrosion after time and you’ll have the issues that you’re having now. I completely stripped the bilge and rigged it with new equipment, and will redo the rest of the boat this winter as well.

frankly, I have a 30 year old formula and it's a testament to the previous owners the electricals look surprisingly good. So far it's been stuff exposed to the air / atmosphere not the stuff behind panels or inside boxes.

TomZ 08-12-2019 05:26 PM

I’ll second that Tom. It’s the same on my 88. I have made some alterations here and there and found good clean wiring throughout. I owe that to the care given by the previous owner. Some of my wiring was updated when he redid the gauge and control panels.

I will say that there is one area of concern in the wiring.... rubberized plastic harness connectors. I’ve had one fail on me from corrosion. It was a major pita to figure out too. When I build my 540s either next season or the season after, I plan to redo those pieces.

TZ

F14A water jet 08-12-2019 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by TomZ (Post 4701719)
I’ll second that Tom. It’s the same on my 88. I have made some alterations here and there and found good clean wiring throughout. I owe that to the care given by the previous owner. Some of my wiring was updated when he redid the gauge and control panels.

I will say that there is one area of concern in the wiring.... rubberized plastic harness connectors. I’ve had one fail on me from corrosion. It was a major pita to figure out too. When I build my 540s either next season or the season after, I plan to redo those pieces.

TZ

Agreed...I am glad the hydraulic steering was done before I go the boat as that looks like a pain.
Check you messages about trying to get together in Sept.
Tom


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