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BBC 427 roller cam
looking for input for my vette, any suggestions on a roller cam ? Ive talked to Lunati and they suggested the 20110710 but dont think its got enough rpm's 262/270 I .550 E.550 112 split 1400-5400 rpm, I still need enough vacuum for the head light system, no power brakes tho
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Speedy, are your intentions to do a close to stock engine rebuild with a somewhat stock roller profile? The stock cams were pretty tame, and yes you need good vacuum.
Try Bullet Cams see what they say/recommend. I rebuilf my 66 427/390 vette a few years back went with a Crain retro cam flat tappet just because. But JMO maybe keep duration down to the 230-236 range 520ish lift |
I want something a little more than stock, I talked to Bullet, he was in the 240-248 ?
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You may want to post advertised and .050 numbers to be able to compare. What compression ratio are you going to run, what heads, what intake, what exhaust ? automatic, manual, gear ratio ? would all help
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The engine will have all stock components ,close ratio M-21 4 speed, 373 gear, 10.25 compression, 2 1/2 exhaust..no power brakes
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So are you thinking solid or hydraulic roller ?
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2 or 4 bolt mains, cast or forged internals, oval, rectangle or peanut heads ? are you going to run stamped or roller rockers ?
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its a 2 bolt block, I plan on running the stamped steel roller tip rockers to fit under the OE valve covers, Its an all stock rotating assembly with new K Black forged pistons, the heads are stock oval port closed chamber heads..............Im not trying to build a TF engine......
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Originally Posted by SB
(Post 4769435)
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Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
(Post 4769438)
its a 2 bolt block, I plan on running the stamped steel roller tip rockers to fit under the OE valve covers, Its an all stock rotating assembly with new K Black forged pistons, the heads are stock oval port closed chamber heads..............Im not trying to build a TF engine......
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Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4769440)
The stock heads won't take much lift without hitting the guides, unless you machine them. 2 bolt, cast crank and rods, guessing you'll want to keep the RPM down, maybe 228/ 236 range at .050. Just a guess
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Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
(Post 4769417)
I want something a little more than stock, I talked to Bullet, he was in the 240-248 ?
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i think the hp500 efi cam would be a good choice,230/236 at .050.598/610 lift 114 lsa.crane cams 169621.with the factory heads and 10.25 to 1 cr i think it will make you smile.i might have one on the shelf,if interested il check.
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Originally Posted by mike tkach
(Post 4769446)
i think the hp500 efi cam would be a good choice,230/236 at .050.598/610 lift 114 lsa.crane cams 169621.with the factory heads and 10.25 to 1 cr i think it will make you smile.i might have one on the shelf,if interested il check.
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The 110 lsa may be better for the street
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yes step nose gen6.
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Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4769448)
The 110 lsa may be better for the street
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Originally Posted by mike tkach
(Post 4769452)
agree,either one would work.
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If it’s machined for it I would think it could be drilled and tapped for the thrust plate. Just not certain what timing set you’ll need.
Btw just for a comparison on your cam duration my 496’s had 244/248 duration. Installed 4 deg advanced peaked at 5,800 with hyd rollers and at 6,000 with solids. 4.250 stroke. Something similar to the 731 cam I’d think.would be a good choice in a 427 to achieve what you want. |
Originally Posted by getrdunn
(Post 4769486)
If it’s machined for it I would think it could be drilled and tapped for the thrust plate. Just not certain what timing set you’ll need.
Btw just for a comparison on your cam duration my 496’s had 244/248 duration. Installed 4 deg advanced peaked at 5,800 with hyd rollers and at 6,000 with solids. 4.250 stroke. Something similar to the 731 cam I’d think.would be a good choice in a 427 to achieve what you want. |
Lift on the 731 is 587/610. Duration 226/234. Would be a healthy cam in a 427. I didn’t catch though are you wanting to stay hyd flat tappet?
Are your heads the 290’s? If so they like 10-12 deg split in duration as many gm heads do. The 731 should put you very close to peak hp at 6k. |
Originally Posted by mike tkach
(Post 4769446)
i think the hp500 efi cam would be a good choice,230/236 at .050.598/610 lift 114 lsa.crane cams 169621.with the factory heads and 10.25 to 1 cr i think it will make you smile.i might have one on the shelf,if interested il check.
Another option. Good call Mike, somehow I missed your post. |
Originally Posted by getrdunn
(Post 4769492)
Lift on the 731 is 587/610. Duration 226/234. Would be a healthy cam in a 427. I didn’t catch though are you wanting to stay hyd flat tappet?
Are your heads the 290’s? If so they like 10-12 deg split in duration as many gm heads do. The 731 should put you very close to peak hp at 6k. |
Here;s a Comp cam I found, thoughts.............566/566 Lift 242/248 Duration 112 Lobe Sep.
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Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
(Post 4769495)
Here;s a Comp cam I found, thoughts.............566/566 Lift 242/248 Duration 112 Lobe Sep.
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Originally Posted by abones
(Post 4769497)
Better for sure! those stock closed chamber heads and manifold will restrict (to a point) may not benefit much from a cam that is larger the the above cam.
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Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
(Post 4769498)
Im not trying to make a bunch more power, the choice of a hydro roller is for ease on the valve train, when engines sit for a long period of time between starts
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another Com cam, 110 LS
Intake Valve Lift (in.) 0.540 Exhaust Valve Lift (in.) 0.56 Int. Duration @ .050 in. (Deg) 242 Exh. Duration @ .050 in. (Deg) 248 RPM Range 2800-6100 Int. Duration Advertised (Deg) 294 Exh. Duration Advertised (Deg) 300 |
I would think that RPM range is probably in a longer stroke 454, also an 8 degree split may be better.
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Just a thought, Lunati Retro-Fit Hydraulic Roller Cam. High performance street cam. Likes upgraded intake, carb and exhaust. Needs 2800 RPM stall converter in most cases. Requires 9.5:1 compression for maximum performance.; Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 282/290; Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 231/239; Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .600/.600; LSA/ICL: 110/106; Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd; RPM Range: 2200-5800; Includes: Cam Only
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Originally Posted by GPM
(Post 4769520)
Just a thought, Lunati Retro-Fit Hydraulic Roller Cam. High performance street cam. Likes upgraded intake, carb and exhaust. Needs 2800 RPM stall converter in most cases. Requires 9.5:1 compression for maximum performance.; Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 282/290; Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 231/239; Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .600/.600; LSA/ICL: 110/106; Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd; RPM Range: 2200-5800; Includes: Cam Only
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Lunati, SKU
20010712 |
show it for a GEN 6
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I ran the hydraulic flat tappet version of the 231/239 110 lsa in a mild 454, nice idle, pulled right to 5400, shorter stroke 427 should go to 5800 easy.
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Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
(Post 4769523)
show it for a GEN 6
20110712 |
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Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
(Post 4769458)
Ive not built one of these in years, can the step nose cam fit ? I see in the front of the block that it looks like its machined for the retainer ring but not sure
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Originally Posted by mike tkach
(Post 4769548)
yes, i put gen 6 step nose cams in mark 4 blocks all the time.you use a gen 6 timing chain&gears and a gm cam retaining plate.i have the gm part number for the plate&bolts in the shop and can list them tomorrow.
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