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SB 08-02-2021 10:07 AM

Okay, so difference was:
gas tank, pick ups, and feed line to engine ?

engine compartment vs dyno room

Anything else ? Mufflers in boat ? Or etc ?

fbc25el 08-02-2021 10:36 AM

Have you checked the gas tank vents?

zz28zz 08-02-2021 05:32 PM

This may have been covered before, but have you tried disconnecting the knock sensor/s? Thinking maybe some type of vibration from outdrive/gimble bearing could be triggering the knock sensor??
Can you datalog the ign timing to see if it's getting pulled back? Does ign system have plenty of voltage (12+ volts) at high RPM?

As mentioned prev by SB, any chance of connecting to a prop dyno??

Ballistic Beak 08-03-2021 06:43 AM

Power supply is another difference.


Ryan

splashandburn 08-03-2021 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4799896)
Okay, so difference was:
gas tank, pick ups, and feed line to engine ?

engine compartment vs dyno room

Anything else ? Mufflers in boat ? Or etc ?

Thats pretty much it. No mufflers or anything else. We've tried running with the engine hatch opened a bit to eliminate a possible lack of air supply too.

splashandburn 08-03-2021 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by fbc25el (Post 4799901)
Have you checked the gas tank vents?

i have. We can blow right through the vents into the tanks with no restrictions

splashandburn 08-03-2021 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by zz28zz (Post 4799979)
This may have been covered before, but have you tried disconnecting the knock sensor/s? Thinking maybe some type of vibration from outdrive/gimble bearing could be triggering the knock sensor??
Can you datalog the ign timing to see if it's getting pulled back? Does ign system have plenty of voltage (12+ volts) at high RPM?

As mentioned prev by SB, any chance of connecting to a prop dyno??

yes knock sensors have been disconnected with no change. We've also checked the timing and we di have 12+ volts at rpm.

Ontariocheckmate 08-03-2021 08:47 AM

Im assuming your fuel tank pickups are the same size as the ones on the dyno? youve monitored fuel pressure while under load? How are you running your fuel system in the boat versus on the dyno? same pump etc?

splashandburn 08-03-2021 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Ontariocheckmate (Post 4800078)
Im assuming your fuel tank pickups are the same size as the ones on the dyno? youve monitored fuel pressure while under load? How are you running your fuel system in the boat versus on the dyno? same pump etc?

yes pickups are the same size as the dyno. We actually just ran a 3/8" hose right into a fuel can as opposed to using the fuel supply off the dyno so all the same pumps, etc. I'm starting to think its definitely a fuel supply issue now. There seems to be little to no throttle response above 3800 rpm. Fuel pressure never changes so I'm thinking it more of a lack of volume. I'm going to pull the tanks pickups and see if there's restrictions somewhere

zz28zz 08-03-2021 11:52 AM

Was alternator used when running on dyno?
If not, maybe rectifier is going bad and causing elec noise??

Are batt switches set to "1 on 1" and "2 on 2" or are they both set to "both"?? Reason I ask is I recently lost a MSD box on my port eng (#2). Tach started jumping around, then a few stumbles, then dead. While idling back in on one eng, I switched both batt switches to "both". Tach on good eng started jumping around. Set both batt switches to "1" and tach behaved the remaining 2.5 hrs idling back in.

cheech 08-03-2021 02:07 PM

Throttles at the helm opening up the throttle body butterflies all the way?
Do you have O2 sensors in the headers in the boat?

splashandburn 08-05-2021 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by zz28zz (Post 4800101)
Was alternator used when running on dyno?
If not, maybe rectifier is going bad and causing elec noise??

Are batt switches set to "1 on 1" and "2 on 2" or are they both set to "both"?? Reason I ask is I recently lost a MSD box on my port eng (#2). Tach started jumping around, then a few stumbles, then dead. While idling back in on one eng, I switched both batt switches to "both". Tach on good eng started jumping around. Set both batt switches to "1" and tach behaved the remaining 2.5 hrs idling back in.

Tes the alternator was used on the dyno. I've tried all different combinations with the battery switches and haven't seen any changes.

splashandburn 08-05-2021 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by cheech (Post 4800127)
Throttles at the helm opening up the throttle body butterflies all the way?
Do you have O2 sensors in the headers in the boat?

Yes we've checked and the throttles are fully open when the sticks are pushed forward.

i do have bungs installed in the headers and we have checked AF ratios - all checks out

sutphen 30 08-05-2021 10:01 AM

you have knock sensors on these motors?

splashandburn 08-06-2021 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4800390)
you have knock sensors on these motors?

Yes and I've tried disconnecting them also

SB 08-06-2021 09:52 AM

Disconnecting them doesn't always help. Typically When ECu notices knock sensor system not working correctly, it will go to preprogrammed 'safe' timing table. Read, less power. And you need power to get engine to enough rpm for the Prochargers to start doing their thing.

splashandburn 08-09-2021 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4800560)
Disconnecting them doesn't always help. Typically When ECu notices knock sensor system not working correctly, it will go to preprogrammed 'safe' timing table. Read, less power. And you need power to get engine to enough rpm for the Prochargers to start doing their thing.

We hooked up a computer to read the Map sensors - wouldn't this show up when reading here? Also would it be different on the dyno vs in the boat?

zz28zz 08-10-2021 04:17 PM

Can you datalog the ign advance? If not, can you get a helper to check the ign timing on the fly to verify it's not retarding for some reason?

splashandburn 08-10-2021 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by zz28zz (Post 4801131)
Can you datalog the ign advance? If not, can you get a helper to check the ign timing on the fly to verify it's not retarding for some reason?

we did datalog it at WOT and it was pulling timing out as it should have

zz28zz 08-13-2021 12:44 PM

Do you have full (all sensors) datalog files from both the dyno and on the water to compare? If so, can you post them us to see?

Were the same grounding point/s used on the eng when on dyno vs in boat?

onesickpantera 08-11-2024 09:37 PM

I know this thread is 3 years old. But curious if you figured out the issue?

TomZ 08-12-2024 02:57 PM

Closed out threads help the next guy!



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