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Old 04-13-2022 | 07:17 AM
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I saw that too, real math tells us going from "e-10" to e-15 would result in a loss of 1.5% of total energy content per gallon (ethanol having 30% less energy per gallon than gasoline). then in equivalent power, theoretically a motor on e15 will make same power as a motor on e-10, it will just use 1.5% more fuel to do it.
I assume with most modern cars that can also run E85 they will correct for this? Do they have some type of fuel sensor?

Of course just like E-85 means they will burn more so not sure what this is helping.
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Old 04-13-2022 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
I assume with most modern cars that can also run E85 they will correct for this? Do they have some type of fuel sensor?

Of course just like E-85 means they will burn more so not sure what this is helping.
Yes. Flex fuel E85 vehicles have fuel sensors.
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Old 04-13-2022 | 08:14 AM
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I’m more worried about the corrosion on fuel system components and water contamination.

fuel docs in the Baltimore region are now offering ethanol free. Not cheap, but might be a smarter option if you’re not running through a lot of fuel..
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Old 04-13-2022 | 09:10 AM
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What do you mean it's 5% less power?
Dont remember where i rerad it but there was an article about it....compared to straight gas since both are about 88 octane...the E15 has 5% less power it stated....what that means i dont know.
Maybe i read it wrong.....wish i could find that article again.....
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Old 04-13-2022 | 09:49 AM
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It was actually prohibited under federal law to be used in boats. E10 is bad enough.

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Old 04-13-2022 | 10:27 AM
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I feel sorry for anyone with a 2 stroke and doesn't know to stay away from the crap
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Old 04-13-2022 | 11:39 AM
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So for you guys on the east coast talking about this at marinas, I have never seen any kind of Ethanol gas at marinas here,or any of the Midwest lakes. WTH do they have ethanol E-10 or E15 at your marinas? Just sounds like a bad idea for fuel that is stored for any length of time.
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Old 04-13-2022 | 08:37 PM
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I’m sure corn prices are going way up to due to higher fuel prices for planting and harvest, and fertilizer is going through the roof since the Russia/Ukraine fiasco.
No mean tweets though!!
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Won't keep it cheaper for long, 2 million less acres of corn were planted this year. It also goes against the regime's claimed climate friendliness as it produces more smog in summer. Yet another moronic decision.
I'm sure Bill Gates being the single largest farmland owner in the country has nothing to do with this decision either.

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Old 04-13-2022 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
So for you guys on the east coast talking about this at marinas, I have never seen any kind of Ethanol gas at marinas here,or any of the Midwest lakes. WTH do they have ethanol E-10 or E15 at your marinas? Just sounds like a bad idea for fuel that is stored for any length of time.
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Old 04-14-2022 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
I assume with most modern cars that can also run E85 they will correct for this? Do they have some type of fuel sensor?

Of course just like E-85 means they will burn more so not sure what this is helping.
The first modern vehicles that were E85 compatible had a "flex fuel" sensor, when it saw more alcohol content, it changed a fuel multiplier to account for extra fuel it would need to maintain stoich. Now, as efi has gotten even more advanced, the flex fuel alch content sensors are gone and the efi tuning counts on seeing sudden swing in 02 readings to drive tuning into richer areas of alch table. Fwiw, my beater minivan gets 18 to 20 mpg on 87, gets 14 to 15 on e85 and smells like empty beer cans at return area of grocery store.
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