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Gimbal bearing question is it spherical?
So this past weekend we installed my fresh 509 into my 96 Baja 252 and alng with this it has a brand new Bravo HP transom assembly. For 2hrs we played with alignment and it just would not come into spec the alignment tool was hitting slightly to high and off to one side. When we started to get it in the motor was just not straight and the tool bound up slightly. In the process of pulling it back out I saw the inner race of the bearing move like it was spherical. We were able to reset the engine straight on the rear mounts and now the tool slides in like BUTTER!
My question is was something off and did I wreck the bearing or does the inner race move around on a gimbal bearing? I saw no way for it to go in until this moved and you can take the tool in and out with 2 fingers now. |
The inner ring/race of the bearing spins. If it is well packed, it should have noticeable resistance.
A lot of the time, the bearing itself can be cocked to one side or the other. If you move the tool, the assembly will also move (up/down/left/right). |
the center part of the bearing will move,if you can get the alignment tool in and out of the coupler with two fingers your alignment is good.
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Originally Posted by mike tkach
(Post 4871742)
the center part of the bearing will move, if you can get the alignment tool in and out of the coupler with two fingers your alignment is good.
I know a pillow block bearing the center race not only spins but it has a little bit of spherical motion as well I was curious if a gimbal bearing is similar. |
Originally Posted by TomZ
(Post 4871738)
The inner ring/race of the bearing spins. If it is well packed, it should have noticeable resistance.
A lot of the time, the bearing itself can be cocked to one side or the other. If you move the tool, the assembly will also move (up/down/left/right). |
Like Mike said, you're in good shape if you can pull out the tool easily. The bearing is fine.
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Originally Posted by TomZ
(Post 4871758)
Like Mike said, you're in good shape if you can pull out the tool easily. The bearing is fine.
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Originally Posted by Joeyboost
(Post 4871747)
I know a pillow block bearing the center race not only spins but it has a little bit of spherical motion as well I was curious if a gimbal bearing is similar.
Matter of fact there are 2 grooves in the aluminum outer ring for the bearing "insert" to be installed. They should face in towards the engine as per the service manual. But the street trick is to install the bearing "backwards" so any further service you just spin the bearing insert in the aluminum and spin the new one in without any slide-hammer or beating the new bearing in. Pictures below. The dot should face out, but no notches. The backside, notches. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f20e8c5fe0.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...41f8297c00.jpg |
Originally Posted by cheech
(Post 4871781)
They are.
Matter of fact there are 2 grooves in the aluminum outer ring for the bearing "insert" to be installed. They should face in towards the engine as per the service manual. But the street trick is to install the bearing "backwards" so any further service you just spin the bearing insert in the aluminum and spin the new one in without any slide-hammer or beating the new bearing in. Pictures below. The dot should face out, but no notches. The backside, notches. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f20e8c5fe0.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...41f8297c00.jpg |
The direct answer to your question is YES. The bearing has spherical movement just like a pillow block.
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Originally Posted by cheech
(Post 4871781)
They are.
Matter of fact there are 2 grooves in the aluminum outer ring for the bearing "insert" to be installed. They should face in towards the engine as per the service manual. But the street trick is to install the bearing "backwards" so any further service you just spin the bearing insert in the aluminum and spin the new one in without any slide-hammer or beating the new bearing in. Pictures below. The dot should face out, but no notches. The backside, notches. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f20e8c5fe0.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...41f8297c00.jpg Cheech - I've always subscribed to the backwards install, but I believe when I was installing the bearings in my XR I realized the bearings were offset in the race and therefore could not seat properly on the drive shaft causing pressure back through the yoke. Maybe it was the XR bearings, maybe it was the Sealed bearings, maybe it was the XR shaft vs std B1 shaft - I can't remember but be aware. |
I went home and put grease on the end of the tool then slid it in. came out showing splines all the way around and up to the taper so full engagement and took it out with 2 fingers. ITs spot on! One less thing to worry about on this long road of getting the boat back in the water!
I did not install a new bearing, I bought a complete new HP transom assembly so I would hope the bearing is seated correctly lol |
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