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joey O 12-03-2024 10:02 PM

8.3 whipple vs 1271/1471 blower
 
What are some thoughts on the two types. Cant decide which route to go

Cms51 12-03-2024 10:19 PM

icdedppl did a great write up going from roots to 8.3 id look into that thread

F-2 Speedy 12-04-2024 09:37 AM

EFI Whipple for the win..........the newer 3.8 will make big power also

ICDEDPPL 12-04-2024 10:50 AM

Whipple for sure.
The idle bypass valve helps quite a bit at idle.
I`d only use it 598 and up in ci.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...cbe7620e6e.jpg

LakeBoat4 12-05-2024 10:41 AM

Not a 8.3 but a 4.5 Whipple on a 7 Liter LS. Don't think a 8.3 is warranted the new Revs of Whipple's are more efficient.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...14e0dc8bfa.jpg
Definitely Whipple. Newer Tech and features Not a 8.3 but a 4.5 on a 7 liter LS 1325hp/1160tq. a stout piece for a new project.

ICDEDPPL 12-05-2024 07:06 PM

I used to have Borowskis build my engines and dynoe there back in the day till Ken went all gay for LS everything .

F-2 Speedy 12-05-2024 08:02 PM

Dont know how well that two stage pump mounted that high will perform

LakeBoat4 12-05-2024 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4915856)
Dont know how well that two stage pump mounted that high will perform

You are exactly right. That is where Ken had it mounted and he is not a boat person, it is going lower. Totally wrong for a boat.

As for Gay Ken he is following the money. LS is better these days to a BBC. I have to agree so that is why there is a LS in my future. LS 1325hp 427cu/in. to old BBC 570cu/in quadrotor 1400hp. plus the weight. got them both just in different platforms.

Have to say the 4.5 Whipple is taped out on the 427 @1325hp running 18000rpm@21psi with meth. It can not run a 570cu/in plus at that level. Even a 5.0 or 8.3 is the same supercharger just run from the opposite rotor. 16000 to 12000 rpm I think is maxed out as well on bigger cu/in motors.

ICDEDPPL 12-06-2024 09:23 AM

If you do that Id be curious to know how long that LS last at those boost numbers and HP.
That`s going to be significantly more cylinder pressure since the displacements isn`t there .

LakeBoat4 12-06-2024 09:57 AM

It is a trade-off for displacement vs boost as you know.

The Teague 570 quadrotors are 1400hp @ 14psi. This 427 LS is 1325 @ 22psi with spray.

This boat will only be on inland lakes and rivers so no way to hold it wide open for long. It will live its life in the 40-90mph range. Initially it is propped for 135mph @ 6800rpm's with slip..Weight is not an issue.

This is the 28 foot hull ready for rigging in Havasu.




https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fec04ed3ad.jpg

mike tkach 12-06-2024 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by LakeBoat4 (Post 4915836)
Not a 8.3 but a 4.5 Whipple on a 7 Liter LS. Don't think a 8.3 is warranted the new Revs of Whipple's are more efficient.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...14e0dc8bfa.jpg
Definitely Whipple. Newer Tech and features Not a 8.3 but a 4.5 on a 7 liter LS 1325hp/1160tq. a stout piece for a new project.

nice looking setup,what would the total cost for what is pictured be?

boostbros 12-06-2024 02:38 PM

i would give up a hundred horses because i hate the loud siren wail of the whipple vs the much softer whoosh of a big roots blower

mike tkach 12-06-2024 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by LakeBoat4 (Post 4915863)
You are exactly right. That is where Ken had it mounted and he is not a boat person, it is going lower. Totally wrong for a boat.

As for Gay Ken he is following the money. LS is better these days to a BBC. I have to agree so that is why there is a LS in my future. LS 1325hp 427cu/in. to old BBC 570cu/in quadrotor 1400hp. plus the weight. got them both just in different platforms.

Have to say the 4.5 Whipple is taped out on the 427 @1325hp running 18000rpm@21psi with meth. It can not run a 570cu/in plus at that level. Even a 5.0 or 8.3 is the same supercharger just run from the opposite rotor. 16000 to 12000 rpm I think is maxed out as well on bigger cu/in motors.

in my opinion the location of the sea pump won,t be a problem.

SecondWind 12-06-2024 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by boostbros (Post 4915894)
i would give up a hundred horses because i hate the loud siren wail of the whipple vs the much softer whoosh of a big roots blower

Can’t beat the look and sound of a big ass roots blower!

ICDEDPPL 12-06-2024 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by boostbros (Post 4915894)
i would give up a hundred horses because i hate the loud siren wail of the whipple vs the much softer whoosh of a big roots blower

Say what!?
I miss that sound !

My 8-71 screamed just the same.
10-71, 14-71 and 8.3 Whipple were all way too quiet.

Cant wait to have that sound back again with the 4 liter i`m getting.

F-2 Speedy 12-06-2024 05:51 PM

I heard my Whoooples for the first time when I put the mufflers on........:drink:

Brad Christy 12-07-2024 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4915900)
Say what!?
I miss that sound !

My 8-71 screamed just the same.
10-71, 14-71 and 8.3 Whipple were all way too quiet.

Cant wait to have that sound back again with the 4 liter i`m getting.

Dan,

Agreed. The 482/6-71 I grew up on was all belt whine until it got about 3500RPM.

Thanks. Brad.

LakeBoat4 12-08-2024 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4915893)
nice looking setup,what would the total cost for what is pictured be?


The current base price is on the Borowski site at $45,000. I had this LS put together before that price increase.


There were a few upgrade, dry sump, solid roller cam, T&D rockers, CMI Headers sea pump, bigger head studs, Better Sealed Holley system with screen. Alway polishing cost more too.


I heard it run on the dyno and no screeching sounds like some say. It seems a little quite for what it is. Maybe due to the serpentine belt. .Anything that I had cog belts on always whined.

mike tkach 12-09-2024 05:19 PM

looks like more than a few upgrades,if you don,t want to reveal the total thats ok.

LakeBoat4 12-09-2024 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4916033)
looks like more than a few upgrades,if you don,t want to reveal the total thats ok.

Not it at all. If you want one or two that deal is between Ken and you. With all in except Headers $48k at the time for the one.

That is about $35 per Horse Power. The last couple hundred cost way more than the first thousand HP.

bencini231 12-11-2024 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4915900)
Say what!?
I miss that sound !

My 8-71 screamed just the same.
10-71, 14-71 and 8.3 Whipple were all way too quiet.

Cant wait to have that sound back again with the 4 liter i`m getting.

I'm gonna need a ride so I can hear those whipples on the water.. My 3.8 whipples are stealth mode with no sound, but all go..

mike tkach 12-11-2024 11:54 AM

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