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Old 10-11-2004, 08:37 AM
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More good information gentlemen.

Checkmate,
I will get those numbers to you tonight via e-mail.
I am now wondering what an intake change would do to my engine's behavior. Not trying to hijack Checkmate's thread but this all seems to be related one way or another.
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Old 10-11-2004, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cstraub69@comcast
Actually you don't want the intake to line up with the head perfectly. You want the head to be above the floor of the intake about .100". A little step there to promote better "mixing".

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Why do you think this? A step up on the way to the intake can really foul up the flow. The proper way to promote fuel atomization is to have a consistent texture from plenum to valve. I know your only talking about 3/32 but I don't see how this could benefit in any way.

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Old 10-11-2004, 09:10 AM
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Roby,
By putting a "bump" in the floor, the laminer flow current will "toss" the fuel up and give better mixture which results in more power. Show's it on the dyno but not on a bench.

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But why not maintain a swirl texture on the intake & head port to keep the fuel suspended. I have always had the best results by finishing an intake port (intake and heads) semi-smooth then going over it with a rather coarse brake hone. My method for doing this was a clockwise push and a counter-clockwise pull on the front cylinder ports. and the opposite on the back cylinder ports. When I swore off carburetors I only finished the heads intake ports. However perfect port matching was essential.
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The Merlin rect port manifold is perfect for a 540 low RPM motor!!
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I don't know how rough you leave your stuff, I like nothing less then a 40 grit finish on the intake. Better yet the texture of a golf ball. People get into the the "tumble debate" which I don't know if you are pro or anti, but I can say this by leaving the step shows gains on the dyno. I feel it picks up the "stragglers" and gets them mixed in with the others.
I know Roby some of the cup teams have experiment with a " valve seat" area on the intake face of the head. This area is cut with multiple angles then blended with a flapper wheel. These angles protrude into the path of the intake runner.

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Originally Posted by cstraub69@comcast
I know Roby some of the cup teams have experiment with a " valve seat" area on the intake face of the head. This area is cut with multiple angles then blended with a flapper wheel. These angles protrude into the path of the intake runner.

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Absolutely, they are cut anywhere from 5 to 6 angles then blended. but they also use the swirling method on the port just as I described. I learned this many years ago from Stock Car magazine. I used to bolt my bare heads to the intake and go at it with the flexible hone. It really works. Now on my EFI engines I have done the texture of the intake manifold is fine at 200 to 250 grit extrude hone, and the intake port of the head is swirl textured.

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Originally Posted by WETTE VETTE
The Merlin rect port manifold is perfect for a 540 low RPM motor!!
How low? I know the increased displacement size it will work better than a 454 but at 5500 RPM the oval port intake will hold it's own I bet

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You have to understand that a low rpm motor to Wette Vette is around 5900 rpm .
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I am not claiming to be an expert at porting. I am just going to report what my AFR cnc'ed ports look like. They have a numerous ridges or steps going down into the port both the intake and exhaust. I called them to ask why they left them like they, they said it was so the fuel / air mixture tumbles down the port. They claim it works well. I will try to post a picture later today.
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