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"Help" Were to Install Water Pickup for Whipples
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I need some suggestions on were the mount the water pick up for the innercoolers for the Whipples .
Dustin told me I could use 1 pickup with a 1 1/4 hose feeding 1 sea strainer should be enough water flow and pressure to supply both innercoolers.Then coming out of the saestrainers with 2 # 12's going into the innercoolers. The problem is the trailer bunks would hit the pickup tube if its off center of the drain plug. I guess I could mount it were the trailer bunk is and put a stop on the tongue to stop it before it went up to far? I do not want to modify the trailer bunk . Thats a support at the rear. I really don't want any hull hanging off the back . I wonder if 2 inches would hurt the bottom? Thanks for your suggestions and help in the matter. Here are some pictures :D Rob |
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I think where the speedo tube is to far out and its on the notch. it might want to steer the boat there also?
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Is your boat a step bottom ?? If it is not, they make water pickups that insert from the bottom/underside of the hull. I have two Whipples and I run two separate water pickups for the chillers. I don't want any loss in pressure to either one. I also bought cheap plastic sea strainers from Boat US made out of composite plastic and lexan. They are 100.00 each. Alot cheaper than stainless.
Can't wait to hear about those motors in the boat. You will be soooo hapy with your choice on the Whipples :D :D |
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Hey strip If you let the boat hang off the trailer a couple inches you will end up with a hook after awhile. you can put em about anywhere in the back portion of the hull just make sure they dont line up with any strakes or put em too close to a step.
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Strip, do you have any extra fittings on your sea strainers?
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Here is a pic of my pick up. Its made by Latham Marine. It has very slight angle at the bottom and feeds my engine with plenty of water. Not sure how much vertical height you have on the sides of the bottom where it flattens out and on the outside of the center bunks, but that looks like it would be a good spot.
My pick up is 7.5 inches long, but it could be shortened a few inches. It goes through the hull a couple inches from the top. |
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First, you can shorten the troublesome bunk(s) and have them stop at the very end of the hull with no problem. 1/2 inch or so under the boat won't hurt either. You have plenty of other bunks for good support.
Second, Fred aka Trick Marine carries a 2-stage water pump, that can deliver cooling to your SC and your engine. Agresssor 25 is currently installing this setup with a thru-hull pick-up, and using the drive pickup as a drive shower dumping back on top of the drive via a 90* thru hull fitting. |
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Originally Posted by customryder
Strip, do you have any extra fittings on your sea strainers?
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It's my understanding that you don't want a sea water pump feeding the intercoolers. Bob Endress at Vortech explained it to me once. He said you want to use an offshore style pickup such as the latham unit pictured but smaller or a thruhull with a vlam shell facing foward. the cold water pumping through the cooler at idle can actually make the intake charge too cold becuase there is no boost at idle therfore no extra heat and if you idle for a while like in a no wake zone this could be a problem Too cold is bad like too hot.
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Originally Posted by hillbilly24
It's my understanding that you don't want a sea water pump feeding the intercoolers. Bob Endress at Vortech explained it to me once. He said you want to use an offshore style pickup such as the latham unit pictured but smaller or a thruhull with a vlam shell facing foward. the cold water pumping through the cooler at idle can actually make the intake charge too cold becuase there is no boost at idle therfore no extra heat and if you idle for a while like in a no wake zone this could be a problem Too cold is bad like too hot.
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Originally Posted by Bigwavz
Is your boat a step bottom ?? If it is not, they make water pickups that insert from the bottom/underside of the hull. I have two Whipples and I run two separate water pickups for the chillers. I don't want any loss in pressure to either one. I also bought cheap plastic sea strainers from Boat US made out of composite plastic and lexan. They are 100.00 each. Alot cheaper than stainless.
Can't wait to hear about those motors in the boat. You will be soooo hapy with your choice on the Whipples :D :D It looks like I can put it beside the drain plug.I guess I can put a stop on the tongue and let about 2 inches hang off the back of the trailer . The boat only sits on the trailer in the winter. There is only about 2 inches of bunk past the support . I guess I could trim it some . On the pick up there only talking about 3/8 hanging below the boat as a starting point. They make a few different types of water pickups. The offshore style is flat . CPPerformance has a adjustable one that would be nice. Thanks for yawl's input any other suggestions???? :D |
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In pick 2 . The space to the out side of the bunks is where the stringer is and also they talk about cutting the strake out of it there for over 100mph.
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This is the sea strainer I am thinking about .it will have a 1 1/4 hose inlet and I think I can use the 2 1 inch pipe outlets for each innercooler. .Which I would run a # 12 line going in to the innercooler.
http://www.cpperformance.com/detail.aspx?ID=996 http://www.cpperformance.com/images/620-913202.jpg |
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This is one of the pickups I am thinking about????
http://www.cpperformance.com/detail.aspx?ID=1160 http://www.cpperformance.com/images/410-BK1084.jpg |
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This is Imco's offshore design
http://www.imcomarine.com/pages/performance.html http://www.imcomarine.com/pages/images/038.jpg Or http://www.imcomarine.com/pages/images/038a.jpg |
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Rob,
I got mine from Teague marine. It is not adjustable tube and it looks similar to the one you have pictured from CP performance. Once you mount it, you cut it off at a small angle and you're done. It was about 80 bucks. |
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I'd go with the style that you cut after install I just dont trust things that are held on by a clamp and hanging in the water at 80MPH problem waiting to happen if you ask me.
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I use the radius style that you cut that Imco also carries. Mine has a #16 an fitting. One for each intercooler. I think the radius design will outflow the 90 degree adjustable.
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I talked to a few more people today and they said the pickups that are not a radius bend will restrict flow. Like the adjustable one from Cp/Hardin.Dustin Whipple recommended the Imco offshore style pick above . Even said it flowed to much and had to trim it. He said the innercooler is good to 100psi .So as long as Its not causing any extra drag I cant hurt the Innercooler.
This is what came in the kit .If any body needs them there for sale . http://www.imcomarine.com/pages/images/wp2.jpg |
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Rob, I installed two adjustable thru hull Hardin marine pickups
to feed each intercooler seperate. I bought two used gil strainers for 200 bucks. Flow is like this... Thru hull to ball valve 1-1/4hose to gil strainer to #12 to intercooler then out of intercooler is #16 to transom dump. I run two complete systems. I realize my application is different. I run water pressure gauges plumbed to the chillers, However I am considering plumbing the dumps on my starboard side so I can view the output with a glance. The pressure gauges read 9 psi at over 100. My thought with bigger dumps then feeds was to reduce pressure spikes. I also need a way to verify picking up seaweed or something clogging the pickup. thats the idea behind moving the transom dumps. hope this helps Gerry |
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Gerry thanks for your info. I have been looking for a good used strainer ,with out all the nuts/bolts on the top. The Harden one above has 2 outlets. so it might work out .
From you pick are you using the supperchiller innercooler?When I was running one on my Scarab They[John at PFM] recommended for every pound of boost they wanted 2 pounds of water pressure going thru it. Also mine was plumed like your except I used a 10 on the dump to get the pressure up. I was running 11psi of boost.I could never get the water presure up high enough. You can see my dump on the transom 3 10 and the little Marine Machine sea strainer 16 feeding it and 12 coming out of it. I just want to get this right the first time before the motors go back in :eek: :D Thanks for all your sugestions. Rob :D Now wheres the drill |
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Yes I am using the same type as the PFM actually there
Richard lees with Dustins cupra cores. I have played with the lenth of the pickups. I also cannot get any higher then 10 lbs pressure. 10 lbs boost. I have no way of knowing if there flowing. I will add temp gauges or move the transom dumps where I can see them. I remember the first run I had someone hold the sticks as I leaned over the Transom to view the dumps. I was amazed at the amount of water comming out. I white knuckled my hands holding onto the life rope so I wouldnt fall into the meat grinding arnesons. :eek: Oh another little trick I did was took some 1/8 inch air brake line and teed the back of the intake/ heads together and brought them into a 1/8 port in the intercooler. Dont really know if it does much. I think I was trying to eliminate steam and at the same time help warm the chiller for better Idle. I remember running last year always wondering if they were circulating. Its on my list for this year to do one of the above. Looks Awsome! Who makes those nice tall arrestors? Gerry |
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Originally Posted by caveman
Yes I am using the same type as the PFM actually there
Richard lees with Dustins cupra cores. I have played with the length of the pickups. I also cannot get any higher then 10 lbs pressure. 10 lbs boost. I have no way of knowing if there flowing. I will add temp gauges or move the transom dumps where I can see them. I remember the first run I had someone hold the sticks as I leaned over the Transom to view the dumps. I was amazed at the amount of water coming out. I white knuckled my hands holding onto the life rope so I wouldn't fall into the meat grinding arnesons. :eek: Oh another little trick I did was took some 1/8 inch air brake line and teed the back of the intake/ heads together and brought them into a 1/8 port in the intercooler. Don't really know if it does much. I think I was trying to eliminate steam and at the same time help warm the chiller for better Idle. I remember running last year always wondering if they were circulating. Its on my list for this year to do one of the above. Looks Awsome! Who makes those nice tall arrestors? Gerry Gerry My new Whipples has the water ports on the rear of the intake and they want you to dump it overboard . I figure it the same for the steam.The flamers are Gaffrig. They hurt HP :( They still had all the mesh in them .Yea there is a lot of water coming out the back. You would not believe the water that comes out of the B-Max's top cap :drink: Rob |
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