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I hope we can all just step back for a second and take a good look at the latest decisions on the Worlds....

From what I'm reading and that's not always the truth....
It has been decided that there will be 2 Worlds again this year...and that I can understand...both sides could not come to agreement....

But can we look at the positive side of having them on different weekends...

1. As you can already see from posts...the fans are not happy already with 2 Worlds but are even more pissed by having to choose which to go to....
2. The city of Destin would benifit more if they were on different dates becasue for one, you would have more fans show, more racers show which means more revenue for the town. Even if its only 5 more boats... every boat helps any Organization....
3. It helps all the sponsors to have as many people attend as possable....
4. Its also a good thing when you have race teams that are willing to support as many Organizations as possable....at one time, it was there just wasn't enough racer out there...now there are over 110 race teams out there...and as we seen with OPA they tried not to conflict there schedules with other Organizations.....

I'm not taking sides here....just trying to make sence on whats right for the fans, sponsors and the towns willing to host these races and put aside the politics....

If we really want to look to the furture of this spot...and we know OSS and SBI/APBA are going to run there own races...thats fine....but who really is winning.... racing on the same weekends....

I hope the powers to be can take another look at this....you have racers out there willing to support you along with fans that are willing to spend money to support both Organizations....can we at least get a chance to do both....

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NO ONE NOT THE RACERS,THE TOWNS AND CERTAINLY NOT THE FANS :mad:

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Gino,

You will be some interesting information posted on the SBI/APBA web site shortly that might help you understand better...

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that should not matter, sometimes you have to think about what is best for the sport rather than what's best for the individual. It takes a big man to think that way. Gino inspite of what they say you are a smart man :D :D

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I agree and it is time for OSS to step up and be the big man...

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Frank , GET OVER IT......OSS wanted to go to KW, thay had worked on it since NOV. They had 12 requests that wouldn't be met. They were the same things that made the race happen in 2004. ONE person made the made the final decision. For the better of the sport? Last year SBI changed the qualifying rules weeks before the race to try to get boats to come, it got a few but still not 70. Where were the UIM boats? Where was SPIKE TV? Where was VH1?Where was Hulk Hogan? Were was our nice awards at the Casa Marina? Were were rules upheld? Who ENFORCED what?

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Remember JC lives in KW so I am sure Bill S. and the conch guys trust him. Last year tourists showed and since it was right after the hurricane they probably were greatful for what business they had, I am sure it was hard to guage if it could be better.

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Ryan,

The problem is I guess the CR and OSS couldn't agree on the request OSS had. After the Worlds in 04 they took a look at it and weren't going there again. But I would think you would have to talk to the CR and get the reasons why...

Its a mood point now, OSS have their own Worlds and SBI/APBA has theirs just the way it has been forever. APBA and SBI have always had their own Worlds so I dont see why it is so different now.

OSS is racing their Worlds in a great city and the racers now have a choice, and I don't see it as a bad thing choices in life are good. From the sound of it you weren't to happy with the Worlds in Key West this past year so it give teams like yourself another place to race. You cant make all of the people happy all of the time....

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Mark,
this is just another round in the pissing match but unfortunately this time OSS is pissing on their own foot.................

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After unsucessfully coming to terms with SBI, the members of OSS (all the racers) voted, Destin ended being their choice. It's done.

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What were the issues that were insurmountable???? I really am interested to know what the deal breakers were. I am being serious Pete.

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Dont Know, and in the end doesnt really matter but to a few. The good folks at the Conch republic will still get thier money due to the Poker run crowd that would go there regaurdless of a race.

we will not get the whole story, as both versions will have bias.
in the end its done and it isnt going to change until the contract runs out!!!

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It is absolutely frustrating that we cant even know what the deal breaking issues are..... this just leads most of us to believe that the real reasons are personal and not substantive. How could the reason be so secret if all of the teams voted????

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Ron,

I have to disagree.....if you don't see racing on different weekends is better then the same...let me give you some reasons....

1. If 5+ more boats is not a good reason enough....then we will never agree.....even if not one more fan shows like you say....thats 10 drivers/throttleman.....average 3 crew per team...30 more team members and there family and freinds...we alone had over 150 Coast Guard personal coming to the race in Destin in April....so I'm sure we would have at least that many coming for the Worlds....so what maybe 300-450 people....now add hotel rooms, food, drinks and other items....you don't think the city of Destin wants that.....were not stupid here....it plan and simple.....
Now add in the SBI/APBA teams have to pay 2006 OSS equipment fees (aronud $2,300) plus crew fee's ( 3 menbers = $300) plus have to quilfy 2 OSS races ( around $1,600 a race x 2 races x 5 race teams = $16,000 ) plus new entry fee's for 2007 ( $2,300 x 5 teams = 11,500) plus new crew member fee's $100 x 3 menber per team x 5 = $1,500....
LET'S SEE THAT'S CLOSE TO OSS MAKING AN ADDITIONAL $45,000.....PLUS THE MOST IMPORTENT THING OF ALL....
THESE TEAMS WHAT TO RACE EVERYONE SO THEY CAN SAY THEY ARE THE BEST AND WORLD CHAMPIONS.....AND HOW ABOUT THE LITTLE THING IN THE SPORTS WORLD CALLED COMPITITION.....LETS NOT FORGET WHAT RACING IS ALL ABOUT.....
Now what I have list above is if no other fans show up but who the 5 teams bring with them.....
All I see is positive for the city of Destin, OSS, the fans (if we can not race as one), sponsors and most importantly the SPORT.....
I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ here...but tell me the positives on this forum of what the benifits are for having them the same weekend.....compared to what I have post if no other fans show but the teams and there company.....

PeteB....I agree with you, SBI/APBA are going to have there Worlds in Key West and OSS has there contract for 5 year in Destin.....that we know....so why not have the racers have a shoot at both Worlds....We keep hearing some racers comment "were the real racers are"....you raced before...what do you call the racers who want to race everyone in both organizations...but get stuck into politics....and can't....

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Ron...we do agree on something....we all want to race together.....but we all can agree thats not going to happen anytime soon....thats fact....so the answers is...instead of making the sport work with 2 Organizations and let the racers have a chance to make it work racing both sides...the answer is screw the fans, the sponsors, racers....potential racers and race sites...so we can show the other Organization they make a big mistake by not doing it there way....
Show any sponsor, city manager, fans and any possable new race teams that's what you are trying to acheive for racing on the same weekends.....and they will walk away form you....

I didn't want to say thats what it looks like people are trying to do by racing on same weekends...but I'm glad you clarified it for all of us.....
THAT IS JUST STUPID.......To put blame on SBI/APBA for screwing the sport for what he's doing with the worlds...that's your opion....but to have the racers decide were to race on same weekend racing to delute the boat count so the other Organization fail's to prove a point.....NO THATS NOT HURTING THE SPORT ONE BIT.....IF SOMEONE TOLD ME THERE WERE OUT TO DESTROY MY ORGANIZATION....YOU THINK I WOULD EVEN TALK TO THEM.....
NICE PLAN TO FURTHER THE SPORT AND SHOW ITS CREDIBILITY TO POTENTAL SPONSORS AND CITYS.....

THIS IS A DEVOICE WHERE THE HUSBAND AND WIFE CAN'T GET ALONG AND THE KIDS GET SCREWED.....AND IN THIS CASE THE KIDS ARE THE RACERS, SPONSORS, THE CITYS AND THE FANS......

THAT'S JUST STUPID......

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Lets face it SBI has 12 scheduled races including the Worlds OSS has 9 scheduled races including there Worlds And guess what OSS has put 6 of there 9 races on the same dates as SBI nice way of making teams choose :mad:

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OSS is a organazation run by racers and voted on by THE RACERS,
if JC did not have KW in his Pocket and said the worlds were going to be in BFE, what would those loyal to him do?? The OSS organazation is run by racers voted into ther position by the racer's in their class. they are loyal to one another.

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Ask and you shall recieve......

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Ryan, where would you like to race April 2nd? :chick:

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I wish I could say the boat would be done to support the St Cloud event and our sponsors but, I'll probably be rigging on April second.

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Yup, all just my opinions. Time will tell.

This horse is dead, enjoy beating it some more.

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I wish someone would just tell me the benifit to the sport racing the worlds on the same weekend...and to me this is not beating a dead horse.....last year we were told the reason the Worlds were going to be on the same dates is because OSS already schedule those dates because they thought they would be racing in Key West...so they didn't want to change them....doing it to get OPA to race there Worlds so SBI would only get 30 boats to show up at Key West to show John.....is something new....

I can accept 2 race Organization....thats fine....and it seems they are happy with there visions....when I started racing in 2000 there was SBI and ABBA, some teams raced both curcuits and some just one Organization....and they both had there Worlds on different weekends.....and some raced both Worlds......everything is fine....

There was a bunch of posts last year with saying...."wait till SBI/APBA dose not meet there contract agreement with the 70 boats and then will see if SBI gets the contract again for 2006.....well...I don't even know what the boat count was in Key West in 2005....but in any case...there back....OK...So now we are back till were we where in Feb of 2005....wait till Nov. without the OPA boats and will see what happends in 2007 negotiations......Dose anybody see what's happening here....and I guess if for some reason things do work out next year....and both Organizations come to agreement.....and race in Key West....what...just throw out Destin's Worlds....

Both Organizations now have there Worlds location for the next 5 years.....there is no need to race on the same dates....none....we need to quite pissing off fans....and then we want to know why no one shows up to our races....
If both Organizations are so great and professional....you shouldn't have to race on the same dates and try to keep the boat count low for the other Organizations....Let the racers race.....don't punish the teams and fans to prove someone wrong......and let the numbers fall were they do.....Both Organizations will benifit from it.....

Last year I heard Ryan B. answer a fans question...and its the one that makes the most sence...the guy came up to Ryan in Ft. Laduerdale and said " who do you race for...SBI/APBA or OSS....and Ryan responded with....I'm just a racers and I'm hear to race".
The guy looked dased at his responds.....funny...someone that young who's been around racing for so long....make's a comment like that....and make's that much sence.....
All I'm asking along with plenty of others....is can you take another look at racing on another weekend for the Worlds.....it will benitfit all....

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Thats a lot of noise coming from someone who had a boat and didn't even race in the worlds last year. Now you want to race in 2 sanctioning body's? If you were an OSS member and you are NOT,then you could have brought this up at the members meeting. It was all explained to the 46 registered teams and NO ONE had a problem with the decision. We trust our board of directors and when they explained that they have tried to negotiate a deal to run with SBI in KW and felt it was not in OSS's best interest to race together we accepted there decision. We as members of OSS don't even need the details or reason why. Again OSS teams trust our elected board members. GET IT!!! :mad:
MD

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Gino,

I'm sure the CR will issue a press relaease with all the details VERY soon...
Everyone needs to let in lay and go one, OSS has their race and SBI/APBA has theirs and any team can race where ever is best for them and their sponsors.

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Exactly Randy, you have stumbled into the truth again. "we accepted there (sic) decision. We as members of OSS don't even need the details or reason why." The reason why is egos and personal... You make a good lemming though!!!!!

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Cherry or grape?

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An instant classic!!!!!

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Randy....I don't mined answering your questions..

Yes, I had a boat and we tested in late Oct. and NOV. and found out we had problems.....we discuss this with the Coast Guard and they agree safety comes first and we decided on not racing....if that makes someone who can't speak on an issue....I will disagree wit you..

Yes, we have already sumitted to the C.G. that we will be racing both Organizations starting with the OSS Race....and told them we would also be attending OSS Nationals and Worlds if they did not fall on SBI's same dates....even thought thaey asked why would they do that...I did not tell the crap thats going on....

I have not paid my regerstation fee's to OSS yet because I heard there my not be a Destin race in Apr. recently but told Stan I would be there if it gose on....without the Destin race we will not be attending a OSS RACE till June or July...so why pay out close to $3,000 in Jan or Feb when I would not be using for 5 months....my say means nothing in a OSS vote...I have heard everyone of your votes everyone agree's with...so it would not matter...+ all I want to do is race....tell ne the tech rules and the dates and will make them...I'm not hear to vote on crap like should we race on the other Organizations dates...
So you see...If SBI/APBA and OSS can not come to a agreement thats fine....things happen I was just asking can you take another look at why you should concider another date...that's all.....but if there is 46 teams that all agree they should race on the same dates as SBI's Worlds then so be it.....then what I said about the fans and the other racers and others don't mean a thing.....its your way and that's final....

Thank you for answering my questions......see you guys in a few months and have a safe one in Pickwick.....

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;)

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Jim,
Tell us how you really feel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jim, I just pissed my pants.

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The last time I checked neither organization was even close to NASCAR, but if I had a svl, cat lite or cat and I wanted to race....you can do the math. I suppose beating one boat lets you call yourself a world chump...yeah that sounds like a nascar organization, why would the classes with the most boats already feel the need to pay all the fees to the organization with less boats in that class, as dhaw likes to state "you just pissed on your own foot" you want to race more boats but don't want to join the organization with the most boats in your class!
Work on the solution, we all know the problem, why should money be the issue... the money should come from the site and supporters, not from the racers that already paid at there respective organization to race.You would think a smart business man could make money from a larger event, instead of trying to gouge the participants that make the event, thats like me telling bob to pay me to put a hvac system in my building?

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Mark, I would think the permit holder and permit grantee would be more interested in hosting a larger event, not collecting registration fees, but who cares I will have fun racing 9 other boats if one or two are missing then so be it, I am sure they will be happy they have a fifty fifty shot at being the "world Champion"? This race should be about the racers and supporting the sport, you obviously know all the breakdowns in the negoiations so enlight us please!

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Vinny....

I started this tread just to say can the OSS racers just take another look at racing on different dates the the SBI Worlds....that's all.....we have seen enough...that we can tell both SBI/APBA and OSS will not get along....so each Organizatios can go its seperate way....and let the racers race....
But having it on the same weekend is not helping the fans, sponsors, the city of Destin or the sport....

Honestly Vinny.....you can't see my point...

SBI/ABPA are having there own Worlds and OSS is having there Worlds...that's all fine....no one is supprised at that...

but if OSS is going to get OPA to race in there Worlds....you get everything you want...you will have the 70 boats and SBI will have there 35 boats....so if OSS holds there Worlds a week later...whats the problem...the OPA guys are going to run your Worlds....and you pick up 5 or so more boats after the Key West race....and everyone win's....
If your concern is that some boats might do both....you should be happy.....because there just like you...a racer....

On the piont of paying for racing 2 Organizations....stop and think....you are asking the same of me and others that want to race your Worlds....and were willing.....

You see both OSS and SBI/APBA are alike in a lot of cases...

You both changed your rules to get the boat count up last year....and you both are charging for the other Organizations racers to race there Worlds...

Do you not see why I just asked if you guys could just take another look at the dates.....that's all nothing more..nothing less....

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Gino what part of OSS wanted to go to Key West but SBI wasn't flexible don't you understand. They asked for the same stuff they got in 2004 but were rejected. They tried since the day after the race in NOV to get this done. They aren't giving in. YOU DO THE MATH ........IF........OSS and OPA didn't go to KW how many boats will be there?????

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Mark , I don't know ALL the details . There were 12 items that were similar to what was asked for in 2004. I believe they well be made public shortley.

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Ryan,

Have you spoke to OPA and know it as a fact that OPA is racing with OSS at the Worlds....????
Your last post was correct they asked for SIMILAR things this race, in the past you post the same things as "04"...big difference.
It really doesn't matter at this point OSS has their race and life will go on, and from what I hear they have a 5 yr. deal Congratulation OSS for putting a great race site together...best of luck to all the racers.

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Ryan....I respect your opion and you been around this sport longer then I will ever be....But maybe I started this post and everyone is taking it wrong....and I'm sorry....

To clarify why I started this tread was for one reason.....I DON'T care who's fault it is or isn't why we all won't be racing in Key West.....I never said it was OSS's fault and I never said it was SBI/APBA's fault.....and I respected boths sides for trying...DOSE EVERYONE SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.....IN MY VEIW OF IT... IT WAS 2 ORGANIZATIONS WHO TRIED TO WORK OUT A DEAL AND IT DID NOT WORK OUT.....THIS HAPPENDS EVERYDAY IN LIFE......I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT AND I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD IN MY MINED EITHER SIDE ACCOUNTABLE.......I hope I made that clear....

Again...this post is since OSS has OPA racing with them and they will have there 70 boats...that's great.....congrats.
and what ever SBI/APBA's boat count is congrats.

I'm happy for both sides......all I asked is since the racers are the one's who make the dissitions in OSS and you all are racers....can you take another look at the dates....if you already have the OPA at you Worlds it shouldn't matter if you run it the following week...you have your boat count.....I'm asking as a racers along with some others that would wish to attend yours as well....like Vinny said its about the compititions and I would think even you as a racer would want a shoot at racing as many SS boats as possable....

That's all guys...and I know nobody has talked about it on this post but me....but also lets not forget the fans who are speaking up on having it on different dates.....
So if I have misslead you guys on trying to put blame on OSS.....I'm not.....both Organizations tryed and it didn't work....THAT'S FACT....SINCE OSS HAS THERE WORLDS SET FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS CAN WE NOW MOVE ON AND WORK ON SOME THINGS TO GET THE RACERS AN THE FANS OPTIONS TO GO TO AS MANY RACES AS THEY CAN VICE HAVE TO CHOOSE BECAUSE OF SAME DATES....

SO YOU KNOW....I DO NOT WISH TO VOTE ON ANY SUBJECT'S THAT ARE VOTED ON IN EITHER ORGANIZATIONS...SHOW ME THE RULES AND ALL I WANT TO DO IS RACE....BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPERTUNITY TO DO SO......THAT'S ALL

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Gino,
The only problem I see is two or more so called world championships, this gives the sport bad press and participation, seperate dates does very little to alleviate this problem. Maybe a racer union should be formed to demand a true world championship within the US, since there is little or no foriegn participation. Form a comitee to organize and oversee a world championship, with inspectors from each organization, referees from each , etc. voted on by each race boat reguardless of organization, then the finger pointing could stop. We would set the rules determine the money breakdown etc. based on a democratic vote, then the powers to be would be forced to get it right for the sake of competition and for survival and or progress of the sport.
As Mark said we would all like to know what the problem is because it does not seem that difficult to put together a joint race, its been done before and worked well.

My previous post was not to insult anyone in our class or any racer, only making a frustrated point that there is not a end of year throw down with every boat that wants to race, to see who is the best of the best on that given day.

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FRANK
I DO NOT know what OPA's plans are , thats why I wrote WHAT IF????? It was mentioned somewhere else that OPA had alot of members which they do so there boats carry alot of weight. I asked how many boats would be in KW if OPA didn't show? As far as what the OSS asked for I'm sure it will come out.