The Future of Offshore Racing!!!
 

I was just wondering the opinion of all racers in every organization on the future of Offshore Racing.

To race for pure fun and bragging rights is fine. Racing should be fun, and if that is the case then the countless number of classes is great due to the fact anyone with a simi-fast boat has a class to run in. Just pop on a helmet and race.

If the racers, the fans, and the organizations want a respected big time race organization then all racers, fans, and organizations need to get together. We as racers need to balance the classes in a way that is both competitive and fun to watch. Less classes with more boats per class.

I'm not sure why offshore Racing can't become as big as Nascar or Indy, and me personally, that's what I would like to see. So many racers put in so much money and time, but does anyone know who we are? And last I checked, no one is buying t-shirts and hats at Wall-Mart with any Offshore teams logo on it.

Jeff Kinney

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I believe that someone first needs to answer this one simple question. "Who's the customer?"

If it's the fans, then everything must be done to give them the best show possible with lots of boats in minimal classes.

If its the racers, then you give them what they want, since they are the customer.

And since the racers pay the bills, at this point in time, they are the customers. If the fans ever start paying to watch a race, this might change. There again is an issue, since there's no stadium, how can fans be forced to pay to watch?

It really is about giving the town a show, and giving the sponsor the ability to get thier name in front of a crowd. There's really nothing wrong with offshore the way it is now, you can enjoy it for what it is. All that I would like to see change is a joint race at the end of the year in Key West.

At least Haggin is working on the bigger picture. He's got the time, energy, means and vision to take it to the next level. More importantly, he wants nothing in return. I for one want to support his efforts.

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It is what it is..............................




Mike

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HOW???

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I still wounder how OPA can ran a Organization and 7 races with no entry fee's....and still pay out a big purse.....

I know other Organizations are run and its a business....and they want to make money.....but I think we all can agree....
the more boats in a class the better.... better for the fans, better for the racers...and it makes it more presentable to sponsors...I don't know of a team out there that will tell you different....

Personally.....SBI/APBA and OPA seem to have a good racing schedule.....both with long term city's as there sites...

Both Organizations have there territory...OPA northeast and Great Lakes and SBI/APBA....other then N.Y. City SBI/APBA cover from N.C. south to FL and over to TN.

It would be great to see OPA be the Northeastern Division with the NE Championship and the 3 races in the Great Lakes Division to be a Great Lakes Championship and a overall OPA Championship.....and SBI/APBA have a few races selected as the Southeast Division and the rest as a National events....and then at the end of the year in K.W. have a overall P-CLASS Championship along with a the Super Series Championships...

Since SBI/APBA already runs a P-Class championship in K.W. by adding the P-Class's from OPA there would be some added cost for more helo's and medical people due to the incress in boats....a small fee can be charged to OPA racers to assist in the added cost and in return be able to race against all P-Class's in the counrty...

And with both Prize purses from OPA and SBI/APBA combined....then you could pay out to more teams....

Just a thought...since the Super Series Teams are not going to come together as one why not at least bring the P-Class teams together.....

When you look at all the P-Class teams running now...each class would have anywhere from 8 to 15 boats in a class for the Worlds.....

Most OPA and SBI/APBA P-Class racers know each other and have raced against each other in the past and a lot of them are great freinds.....if you asked all the P-Class racers "would you like to race against all P-Class boats at the Worlds...I think we all know the answer would be YES.....

There are over 65 P-Class race boats out there racing in 6 Class's.....why not bring them all together for one Championship.....These guys are a big part of Offshore Racing.....

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[QUOTE=Ron P]

All that I would like to see change is a joint race at the end of the year in Key West. At least Haggin is working on the bigger picture. He's got the time, energy, means and vision to take it to the next level. More importantly, he wants nothing in return. I for one want to support his efforts.[/QUOTE,.

Haggin /AMF is the best ticket to get anything done for the best of our sport.

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[QUOTE=MIAMIBOYS]
With Teams like your's behind us we will succeed!!

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It will probably be just like it is for years to come. :mad:

I was watching the Baja 1000 on NBC yesterday and it was prime time TV. The Score off road group seams to have it together, some of there trucks are worth the same if not more than Super Cats. There is no charge to watch the race they drew over 300,000 people for the race with 430 different racers in 33 classes they had 3 classes with over 30 competiters in the class and those were the top classes

They had celebrity's such as Robby Gorden who raced 700 miles jumped in a plane and raced in Homestead the next day :eek: check it out they have some HUGE sponsors as well www.score-international.com

Now for you Great lake people you may have heard of corr racing www.corracing.com they have been on Speed TV for the last few weeks same thing everyone is happy, there is only 1 organization not 3 drawing between 150-180 trucks now these guys do charge a gate fee and do draw a huge crowd. But once again the have good TV teams now have GOOD sponsors and now you have some teams that are full time (making a living on Sponsors/racing) for a sport they love.

These are 2 PRIME examples and very similar to offshore racing the only difference is they had a vision and plan and stuck to it, unlike offshore where some get pissed they just start a new group, this has been going on for as long as offshore racing has been a sport

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Trucks dont float .

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If you could look back to 2001-2002 there were a lot of good ideas thrown around in this area.

I have seen probably 50 threads like this of varying intensity and suggested solutions over the years.

Issues to consider:

Gate control (paid spectators)
Television on a branded network (Major Sponsorship won't ever happen without this)
Acceptance of the Sport by legitimate Motorsports Marketing people as a "viable" source of "marketing Icons"
A Sponsors willingness to "Activate" a powerboat racing team, i.e actually use them as a Brand Icon in addition to giving them money

Etc, Etc.

Also, I agree with what 'Funny Hat" Miklos said.

Gregg Reichman

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300 Spectators For Every Mile. If We Did That We Would Have 2250 Spectators

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So Next I Guess Our Races Should Be Longer.........then The Spectator Fleet Would Be Larger Huh ...............[b][i][u]not

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Mike, I think your missing my point they have major sponsors and whens the last time you saw an offshore race on ABC,NBC,CBS or FOX?????? Were are all of the celebrity racers? Not racing now.

I assume you have never been to the Baja 1000 or anything like it or you would know the fans follow the race it is very easy to see many different parts of the race as there are short cuts to see the different stages. All I'm trying to say is look at a successful sport other than Nascar for answers because Offshore racing will NEVER be any more than a rich mans sport.

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Hi Shane - Hope you are doing well.

I used to Race Class II, 1600 so I know a little about Offroad. There are some elemets to consider. Auto Manufacturers do find value in promoting thier products through Racing Team Sponsorships (Toyota for years, Chevy, Ford, Dodge, etc). This is unlike Boat Manufacturers who seem to find little value, in Sponsoring an actual racing team, except for Fountain who still as far as I know does not actually "sponsor" any teams but rather a series or TV Show. Merc provides what amounts to a nominal contingency program over at OSS but all of those Racers pay to but the products, nothing is "sponsored" with the exception of a few privledged insider deals I have heard about. In Offroad Racing I think the interest is that they are more of a novelty item, you generally don't see that much racing except for Stadium Trucks that were actually great racing but I donlt even know if they have a series any longer. I think the draw to Baja is Man (or Woman) against the elements which sells well to Interstate Battteries and Autozone for auto Parts. The "spectator" crowd at the race sites from waht I have seen at the race sites are really lower income migrant workers in the towns where the racers pass through.

They have no gate control at all, just liek OFFshore and I don't see a regular series of events being televised.

I actually think Offshore, the way OSS is doing it, is more saleable as a product than the Baja but I agree that yuou don't see it on network Television.

Gregg Reichman

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Kentucky Derby -- 2 passes and 3 minutes of racing yet it is a week long event covered in a big way by TV

Tour De France - Tens of thousands of spectators stand to watch them blow by ONCE then go back to party MAJOR TV

Dakaar- Run in long desert action not spectator friendly but for one blow by By BIG TIME TV

Ididerod - People come out to welcome at each stop and freeze their butts off doing it
Once again ONE TIME PASS BY THE FAN and HUGE TV

It has nothing to do with stadium racing and everything to do with TV coverage and atmosphere of the event not always the event itself

In the 80s they didn't run offshore stadium style yet they had alot of spectators and alot of TV

Kids on snow boards and BMX get more coverage

TV and Sponsors will bring fans and spectators! A festival atmosphere will give them reason to hang out for a while and spend money

The customer is the SPECTATOR AND FAN and they are watching TV and buying trinkets TV will make them interested in seeing events up close and personal and buy nick nacks to go home with

We already have great Boats out there , Great drivers and throttle men, great venues. What is missing ?? all the other components are in place it is TV COVERAGE and promotion that is missing

One weekend i watched a fishing marathon
it turned out to be a snore fest
but TV coverage worked hard at making it palatable

Not only is TV coverage needed but it has to be GOOD coverage ! Not just a feeble attempt The general TV audience has a short attention span so it needs to be done right

Lots to do and never enough money or vision unfortunately

To bad because offshore could be incredible with the right vision and money

I to think John Haggin is on to something and he is to be congratulated on his efforts but he alone will not a TV show make. He needs to be supported and helped in a big way

My .02 and it is worth .01

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Marketing and promotion are the keys to becoming successful, the tv is a natural process when the other two are working. When a race is announced, you cant wait til that weekend to let the town know. If you have a national sponsor, what are you doing for your sponsor?? instead of arriving thursday you need to have some people there a week in advance, to not only promote the product but the race as well. Signs, banners, contacting the local media, IE TV and Radio. If possible take some of the media out for a run, bring various media , pictures, dvd of the boat in a race , file footage, etc.

And yes this takes time and money, but in order to make money you have to spend a little money. Haggin and AMF, have established a new standard with the live footage available, while it may not have 6 million viewers, it is available to them. Those that view it live also have the chance to see footage not normally seen via the Jumbotrons. Which in the least gives the first time viewer a overall positve impression. thats what may bring them back for more!!

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Funny thing is that it's always the fans asking for unification, it's never the racers or the people that run the show.

If the racers wanted to unify the sport, they could.

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Offshore Racing League(ORL) and OPA. We'll not only succeed but make history next year in Offshore Power Boat Racing!

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TV is what got me my sponsors and what's keeping them. SBI/APBA had TV last year (2005 season) and has it lined up for this year (2006 season). Not to mention, JC has BIG TV lined up for the Super Bowl race (2007 season).

Winning races with big purses is helpful, but it wouldn't sustain my team...sponsors sustain my team...my sponsors want TV.

Of course, if OPA brought their "no fees" model, OSS their "event marketing" model and SBI/APBA their "TV production model" to the same table, nothing could stop how big offshore racing could be.

Sean

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I used to think unification was the answer , but not anymore. Every Racer is either happy with the Org there racing with, or looking to make a move. A few joint races would go a lot further in promoting our sport. Key word is promoting. There are more people driving cars,trucks, motorcycles,bicycles, skateboards etc. then boats like ours. So sponsors/ advertisers are plentiful for them. Boats as a whole are divided even more, Sailing, Cruisers, Sailboats, Fishing boats ,so in the boating world we are a minority, so promotion is critical. It's easier to get a sponsor for a bass boat then it is for a racer. It's up to us as racers to promote and help the event planners to get the word out at every site. As I race more and more I realize the race is for the racers, the other 95% is for the fans, talking in the pits , parties ,etc. We usually spend 4 to 6 days at each race site and maybe 2 hours in the boat, if we win the love us, if we come in last they love us. I'm happy with that. WE need to self promote, and the TV and media will come to see what all the ruckus is.

Have a safe, happy, healthy and wealthy holiday season,
Louie

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Poli makes a good point - even a blind squirril finds a nut every once in a while

Just kidding Ron,

Gregg Reichman

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Offshore needs to be honest with itself and realize it's racing format, in the current form, sucks to watch, if you are only a casual fan.

Look at Marc's(boatme) examples...in the single pass events, fans cheer every competitors who goes by, but at least you can tell who's first...bike, buggy, truck, etc

Offshore wears them out, first they cheer, then they get all confused who to cheer for, then they have to try and figure out who's racing who. After 45 min. they just give up in frustration.

If you are going to race long..you have to have some means to keep competitors close.....look at all roundy-round (I hate to use the N word on this site) does to keep racers together(including having Robby Gordon through out debris)

Offshore would benefit if they would change the racing format......start with 15 min max races, single class on course at a time. That gives built in commercial breaks, and ends confusion for the fans. I know, I know, offshore is about endurance. Well then run multiply heats or better yet, throw in some point to point races now and then. Isn't that what off road does...some for the fans, some for the racers.

Mike Sadlon
UL-89

Check us out...ULHRA.ORG

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As a fan as I am, What happened to the boat parde infront of the stands/beach prior to the start?

I also feel a shorter course presents a better visual and sponsor exposure than the long course.

Perhaps a course length mix would satisfy all???

Run a few short course races close to shore then a longer course.

Sponsors only receive recognation in the dry and wet pits or when running close to the fans.

JM2$

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Im an offroad veteren myself, and find incredible similarities between the sports. I actually see offshore as much more marketable from a sponsor standpoint, as offshore has races and pokeruns increasing visibility. having worked with Mcmillan racing big money corporate sponsorship is rare. there is some help here and there, BFG has a good support program, but by and large the vehicles are paid for by the racers, the bja 1000 is unique in its popularity as its the grand daddy of all offroad races, but even winning my class in that, some sponsorship came but I still spent a LOT of money. not to mention SCORE is far from being the only orginization out there. not to mention a couple offroad "sub species" like pro truck and jeep speed..spec trucks that have there own series so to speak using races in different orginizations to base there series points on.

what I think will happen offshore eventually is there will be one major body the big boys with the big toys and big bucks will call home and the others will become more of "feeder originazations, were new racers will learn there skills, the classes are more limited, and the costs are kept as low as possible. hopefully this will happen and prevent some of the things that almost killed score and offroad racing.
that is to much money came in and technology grew and grew expensively. offroad started as fairly low cost friendly racing, but it became almost impossible for the average joe to race anymore not to mention a bit more dangerous, trucks became trophy trucks with big hp and wheel travel and people like errr I hate to name names but people like robby gordon happened and litterly started running over the little guys..when a 6000 pound trophy truck comes barrelin down on a 80 hp 5-1600 car and blasts him in the ass so hard he blows him off the course, racing becomes not much fun for anybody but him..
so we need to make sure the little guy can race in a competitive fun atmosphere, and we need to have the big guys goin fast, if we loose either the sport is dead.
another thing that has happened offroad that would benefit us is mixing races, one orginaztion would have its guys race another orginazations race for points and vice versa, it would add to the nuimber of boats at an event and it keeps it fresh, racing in your local org. you race the same couple guys time and time again, mixing races you race against different boats..kkeep things interesting.

another idea i posted in another thread is a distance race, a true offshore event, as long as we have several orgs racing, take the top couple guys from each class, bring them all together for a super bowl at the end of the season..the offshore endurance world championships, that would unite and tie everyone together at the end of the year with one overall champion in each class

so to summarize it we need several smaller local sanc. bodies to give boaters a place to become racers and be competitive without them getting discouraged because they can never keep up with team big bucks, and we need a sanc body to put on races for the guys that have graduated from local racing and be the big buck go fast racers they have become.

as for sponsors..there two types, inside and outside
inside sponsors will come because it sells there products to boaters and racers, outside big money sponsors will only come for major media exposure.

we must always remeber what sponsorship is and isnt..
sponsor ship IS about advertising and selling product
sponsorship ISNT about helping you..your just a means to an end, that end being selling there product.

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Great thread. I do wholeheartedly agree about the comparison to offroad racing.

Love seeing the big trucks tearin' through an off-camber downhiller at speed, on the verge of spin-out and rolling over, just like a SVL haulin ass through a rough corner.

You can't just compare the NASCAR thing to offshore. Not at all the same. Don't get me wrong, I love NASCAR, but frankly, I think they got a little lucky on the marketing idea of what is essentially taxi-cab racing.

One thing NASCAR does that should work for offshore is that they have Daytona and Talladega. Different than normal tracks with different than normal winning teams.

Offshore should just designate one or two races that they know will be rough and make the poor fans suffer with wonderful technology of Helicopters and Jumbotrons for the outward legs. We'll call these two "The Big Water Races." :D
Maybe Ocean City and Key West. The non-padded, non-stepped boats would always be looking forward to these. I'd love to see the older Apache, Cigarette and Sutphens, etc. wup some ass.

Five short laps followed by five long laps would be really cool, but at this stage, I don't want to overcomplicate things.

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Let's take a vote, all racer's to be unified .
If All Racer's Vote, We Can Be Unified By The World's!
Won't All The Organization's Back The Racer's ???
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I :drink:

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While........

I appreciate the fact that Mr. Haggin has been very generous to the sport...and he certainly has. He is not the first and, sadly, may not be the last. Eicke Battista, Al Copeland, HFC, Rocky Aoki, Hennesey, Bill Gifford, and a number of others have thrown large sums of money at the sport (all of which was eagerly scooped up)...... with little long term effect.

Because........

racers, both highly funded or scraping for pennies, tend to be short sighted and look only as far as what's good for themselves, their desires, and their particular race boat...(racer/owners are both competitive and inflexible at the same time).

So...........

as long as the inmates run the asylum, we will have a disjointed, non goal oriented, mess in search of a home.

Until.............

The sport becomes bigger than the participants. The goal of any good coalition/confederation is for the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts....for 2 + 2 to equal 5. In offshore racing, the parts (the boats + Haggin's funding) equal less than the value of the individual assets. (The large Vegas/Destin television spends didn't get on any network...we now have a turbine class that NO ONE in the real world relates to...etc, etc, etc).

We are missing Nascar's chief value.....KISS
one class....
simplicity...
Viewer/sponsor friendliness.

When........

the powers that be stop long enough in their incessant drive for more classes, blind cheerleading, and spectator confusion, and take the time to make a truly critical self assessment...we might see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I hope it happens in my lifetime.

But, I doubt it.

Happy New Year to all........

T2x

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Ouch Ebenezer just stole Chrismas. What you've said is well versed and educated, the only problem I have is the constant comparison to nascar. Though it is extremly popular not everyone watches it. I myself would rather watch a home improvement show with my wife asking me if we could do that to our house, then to watch the cars going round and round. Please put the nooses away I'm not knocking it, I just like boat racing better. Problem I see is Mr. Haggin is not being helped enough. Not everyone who races has assets equal to his finacially, and there are only a few who truly try to help him. By help I mean Promotion, we have a small and select demographic so it is up to everyone of us to push and make people aware of our sport. I have a family of nascar junkies, 1/2 the Christmas gifts had to do with nascar. So I thought there was no better time to break out some race video's.(Ocean City, Destin,etc.) My little nephew (who sleeps in a nascar bed) was in awe watching the boats fly through the air! he is hooked. That's what I'm talking about, bring them over even if it's one at a time. Build it and they will come.

Happy New Year,
Louie

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Lou the Rigger - I'm glad you post here... very well thought out. Totally agree, the recent AMF Effort is not getting enough support.

Rich (aka TX2), you are just Mr. F'n sunshine huh.. as usual. I mean you have such a vast knowledge base, any chance on making apositive suggestion once in awhile?

I raced the (I think it was) 1995 Key West Worlds, APBA, SBI unification race. I think there were 130 boats there, something crazy like 32 boats in my class, it was called "A" class at the time. It was like a Motocross start to the 1st turn, totally cool.

I do think Unification is the answer.

Rich, how can we accomplish this?.

Gregg Reichman

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well gregg, some of us were attempted to be screwed by one person, in a competing organization. i think alot of people gt that from him and you noticed numbers declining over the years in kw. we will see.
i fully support mr.haggins venture, and i think all should do the same. he is the biggest supporter for this sport and if he achieves his goal, which i believe he will,he will be the savior of taking offshore to the next level.
who else has got a live tv broadcast since 1989? no one.
i could be wrong. but, this isnt my first rodeo either :D
mike

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===============
I think Budweiser has a tad more than Haggin. But...do they have the enthusiasm John has....HUH???

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Hi Mike:

So drilling down into what you wrote, you are in Favor of unification, correct?.

(hows the Harley?)

Gregg Reichman

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Of Course We Are. One Person Stands In The Way. I Think We Know Who That Is.
Yes , It Is The Answer. Fewer Classes , Cat And Vee. Now Dont Get Me Wrong, We Need The P Classes To Run Also. But In The Sense Of Busch Series Type Races. We All Started There, And Understood We Were The "small Boats" To The Cats And Supervee's

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Less Classes, More Boats Per Class. You Want Big Sponsorship? That Is What It Will Take
Just My .02 Worth.
The Scooter Is Coming Along Just Fine. I Got A New Toy For Christmas.
A 74 450sl Mercedes In Perfect Condition. Detailing Her Nightly For The Summer :d

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I opt for a united Worlds run buy a paid outside group of officials in KW. Is that possible? Could the Conch possible see we need a outside group to run this to unite the organizations. Even if it was for the year 2008 and we have to flush this year again. I just dont see one organization telling the other how its going to be and thinking its all going to be peaches and cream. Or the other option is to start a new tradition for the Worlds in another town. Not good for KW but they have been told this year after year. My guess is as long as they have a race in KW and its called the Worlds they must not care how good the show is. As long as there is a show thats all that counts to sell rooms. Its a shame year after year.
Please Hagen you might be Offshores last shot at a joint race for the Worlds. KW would be everyones first choice but lets not dwell on it if its not going to happen. With your support we can race ANYWHERE for the Worlds and put on a show for that town to remember. The racers want a united race!!!!!
MD

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Hey louie, don't be sad about your x-mas gifts I got a nice 16x24 championship poster of ON THE CHIP for ya :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :evilb: :drink:

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Miklos makes a good observation for a Guy with a "mutt ugly hat". There is no justifiable approach to demanding that a competitor stop doing business in order for the opposing competitor to prosper, just does not work that way. Maybe a "buyout" , a Meger (not very likely), etc. but a demand won't work, ever.

As for a third party running Key West, there already is one, it is called the "Conch Republic Powerboat Raciing Association" or something like that.. it is a consortium of Key West Businessmen lead by Bill Spottswood. They love John C, period.

Baot count and like equipment makes the foundation for exciting racing. As pointed out by TX2 and confirmed by Miklos, the Promoter must be profitable as well but with boat count and carefully controlled costs this can happen.

Create an exciting fan friendly product and TV interest will follow, enter Mr. Haggin, a saleable product?, I guess we will see if it can get airtime. I have some experience with this, and Major Media wants to use thier camera equip, thier people, Thier "talent" and charge a big fee for showing up these days, not like the good old Speedvision days when we bartered for time, and they accepted our show in the can, from a 3rd party. ESPN 2 wanted (if memory serves) around $55K to air a 1/2 hour show in addition to on site "production costs" of I think around $35,000.

The foundation is a saleable product. Lets start there.

Gregg Reichman

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Steve that's another way of looking at it. Unfortunately its not what most of the racers are willing to do! And we are back to Square one. All of the other organization are run as a non profit structure and even the racers pay to play at that. With so many people working so hard for free to promote the sport it just makes it so hard to see someone profit off all the hard working volunteers. It just doesn't seem to rub people the right way. I know of 50 other teams that think the same way I do and if you don't believe me wait till November again and find out again.
So knowing now how so many feel how can we possibly fix the problem of one mans domination of a place that should be the Worlds for all? Is there room for negotiation? How much would it cost to buy the site? Its obviously all about the money for JC and not the sport so what will it take?
MD

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I do agree with you Steve. It doesnt look very promissing does it? There realy is no reason to disscuss this anymore. It is not up to the racers or fans its a business dission.:(
Lets try and not disscus how to make it happen any more on the computor. It seem all we do is trash on each other and get no where. Silence on this subjuct will keep our relationships or whats left of them.
MD