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Pete B 04-27-2007 10:14 AM

rough or too rough
 
Just curious what the thoughts are on rough water some say the rougher the better, but in light of the recent Miami race, for the sake of safety, when do you make this call?? when people refer to the good old days, one could not predict what the conditions were like 60 miles out. Are rough water races really what everyone wants?? IMO its fun to watch, but thats about it.

bidpro 04-27-2007 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Pete B (Post 2108090)
Just curious what the thoughts are on rough water some say the rougher the better, but in light of the recent Miami race, for the sake of safety, when do you make this call?? when people refer to the good old days, one could not predict what the conditions were like 60 miles out. Are rough water races really what everyone wants?? IMO its fun to watch, but thats about it.

As a Team Owner / Equipment Owner I personally would rather race in flat to moderate water any time. I think most of the Racers prefer high speed side by side racing over the macho schmuck, pound your chest, "I survived" deal. There is a really good feeling attached with putting all of your stuff back on the trailer after a great race and not having to hire a salvage crew to do it, not to mention eliminating the need for a full time chiropractor / orthapedic surgeon on the team. I understand the "good old days" because I was racing then to, but if you look at the high tech lightweght equipment we have al gravitated to in order to make the boats fast, it flies in the face of going out and dystroying all your stuff plowing through 6 footers, tabs down, drives tucked, Ballast full, spine damaging "bid water" deal.

I don't know what the demarcation line is between rough and lets call off the race - I know that they did that in South Padre Texas at a Race I was entered in back in around 1994, that is the last time I rememeber it happening.

Gregg Reichman

chriscarbone 04-27-2007 10:46 AM

I Rather Race Rough Ocean Water Over Flat Water Any Day Of The Week In The 24 Footer

Shane B 04-27-2007 10:49 AM

6's is alot of fun and takes skill not to stuff or destroy your boat

MIAMIBOYZ 04-27-2007 11:46 AM

I persanally think that flat water racing should be from the dry pits to the wet pits.

THEJOKER 04-27-2007 12:15 PM

I hate flat water. Average speeds are way up over racing in the rough. Trimmed up boats outta control and high speed turns are an accident waiting to happen. Rough water makes most boats equal and really put emphasis on the construction of the boat , rigging and who's in the best shape. Just my .o2

Maximus 04-27-2007 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Pete B (Post 2108090)
Just curious what the thoughts are on rough water some say the rougher the better, but in light of the recent Miami race, for the sake of safety, when do you make this call?? when people refer to the good old days, one could not predict what the conditions were like 60 miles out. Are rough water races really what everyone wants?? IMO its fun to watch, but thats about it.



I like a mixture of both. Rough water is the GREAT equalizer.

Miami was perfect this past weekend. Personally, I could race there every race of the year.

MANITIE 04-27-2007 12:30 PM

I think thats what is great about Offshore racing...
Some boats run better in the ruff and some better in the clam...thats what great...you dont know what the weather will be...and it comes to set up...some races will be 1 to 2 foot chop or it could be 8 to 10's...

I think by changing to a storm course taking into consideration the weather conditions and the safety and equimpent is a great thing the Org do...

Last week in Miami...for example...John asked us in P3 how many laps we wanted ot run...and the look on Dave Branch's face...he said he could not remember the last time he even ran 30 miles in a race...but he was laughing...saying at least we won't brake anything...

Since racing for the last 8 years I think the safety and the well being of the crews were taking care of in all water conditions...to cancel a race becasue the seas are to big..or not to race were the water is normally rough is not good for the sport or the fans...
If the turn boats and saftey crews can get out there we should race and put on a show....period.......

We have seen races in OSS in calm water were still 20% of the fleet broke...

AugiePensa 04-27-2007 01:42 PM

The Condo loves Rough water, I'm gettin' older...it hurts more and the pains stay longer

Wazzup Racing 04-27-2007 01:54 PM

Bigger the better. Gave up water Skiing years ago. I must say however. I have raced some flat water races with OSS, if the coarse is set up right, it can be an awsome challenge. The race on Sunday is won by the teams that ran the most test laps on saturday. Finding the line through the turns was a blast. Hats off to who ever designs those race coarses. Oh and Puerto Rico, was way over the top. Smitty

Ryan Beckley 04-27-2007 02:02 PM

I am all for rough water, 4-6 is good. But as Smitty said the OSS courses with the road course feel are alot of fun, the course in Arkansas as a blast.

kcooper 04-27-2007 02:06 PM

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The little yellow boat loves Big A.... Water.:)

phragle 04-27-2007 02:58 PM

Im all for rough water,
In my eys going back to being a kid and seeing it on tv, theres 5 distinct traits that were needed
1. reading the waves and steering the boat
2. trimming the boat
3.throtteling the boat
4. navigation
5. Being able to keep it in one piece and running.

Personally, I like #5. to finish first, you must first finish. All 5 things take a fair amount of talent to sucessfully pull off, but #5 requires that you take everything you know and apply it at the same time (and a little luck). if you reall just want to go in a big oval, with as much hull aeration as possible, over flat water at insane speeds...try unltd hydroplane racing. offshore boats have deep vee's to bust waves (even the cats are suppsed to bust waves) whats the sense of having a vee if your not going to use it?? when the sport started it was about enudrance as much as a fast motor, or good hull design. well were down to two outta 3...guess that aint bad.. just my 2 cents

kcooper 04-27-2007 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Smiklos (Post 2108438)
Calm water is for tunnel boats!
Steve

With Steve on this one.

MIAMIBOYZ 04-27-2007 03:09 PM

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Watch or race in Key West and you can see how many lead changes take place during a race with the diffrent water conditions. This was Key West last year, dead flat! it sucked grass.

kcooper 04-27-2007 03:13 PM

BANG!!!
On Saturday, the waters were typical Puerto Rico rough. Racers in the OSS Cat Outboard and OSS Vee Lite classes were faced with 20 knot winds, 6 to 8 foot seas on the outside leg, and plenty of drama. Rumor has it that the water was so big that some of the Vee Lite guys were rallying to not race and to draw cards instead to see who the winner was. Among those racers were not the guys in the AMF Team Lavey boat who were ready to show their Pacific Ocean stuff in Puerto Rico. When the green flag dropped, Kevin and Brian checked out and never looked back. At the end of the only four laps of the storm shortened race, the Lavey Craft (the smallest boat in the fleet) was 3 minutes and 29 seconds ahead of second place. To the Lavey Craft gang, it was just like another day at Dana Point or Ventura California.

Wazzup Racing 04-27-2007 03:17 PM

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Some girls like it rough

kcooper 04-27-2007 06:17 PM

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And some girls like it really rough

Maximus 04-27-2007 07:49 PM

big girls
 
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BIG GIRLS need LOVIN too!!!!!!!! :)

racesdad 04-27-2007 08:24 PM

BIG WATER IS FINE:evilb:

Wazzup Racing 04-27-2007 08:26 PM

Mikey...........Wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzup

racesdad 04-27-2007 08:27 PM

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racesdad 04-27-2007 08:28 PM

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Wazzup Racing 04-27-2007 08:29 PM

Much better. My hero

racesdad 04-27-2007 08:36 PM

Cool, Me Too

DriverofDonzi 04-27-2007 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by Maximus (Post 2108742)
BIG GIRLS need LOVIN too!!!!!!!! :)



Oh yeah, baby!!!!! I love big waves....It feels good being on the boat up in the air before landing on the water!!! Look at Miss GEICO!!!!! Here she goes!!!!!!!!!!! Woooooo!!!!!! :) :)

Wazzup Racing 04-27-2007 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by DriverofDonzi (Post 2108860)
Oh yeah, baby!!!!! I love big waves....It feels good being on the boat up in the air before landing on the water!!! Look at Miss GEICO!!!!! Here she goes!!!!!!!!!!! Woooooo!!!!!! :) :)

So cool, when the boat pops into the air, you snatch the throttles, and you can hear each other breathing......then......whamo......." You OK ? Yep Do it again !!!"

TGOR 04-27-2007 10:33 PM

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I'd rather be flying.

:evilb:

Sean

P.S. Thanks to Armand for the photo.

purnell 04-28-2007 05:52 AM

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bigger the better

DriverofDonzi 04-28-2007 09:32 AM

*laughing* that's a good one, Smitty! :) :) gotta love boat jumps!!!! :) :)

CIG3 04-28-2007 09:59 AM

As long as the saftey crew and turn boats are comfortable going out. You race. If your boat breaks, it wasn't built right to begin with. Potatoe Chips only float for so long.

kcooper 04-28-2007 11:30 AM

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One more.:)

AMF Media 04-29-2007 08:31 AM

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Fort Lauderdale 2005
:-)

AMF Media 04-29-2007 08:39 AM

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Fort Lauderdale 05 again

DPT MOTORSPORTS 04-29-2007 05:49 PM

Anything is better then racing on a pond. Offshore racing is meant to be offshore. I know that some of those venues have been tough to invite sponsors but that is what offshore racing is.

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DPT MOTORSPORTS 04-29-2007 11:54 PM

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Like it rough!!!!

SHARKEY-IMAGES 04-29-2007 11:59 PM

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:evilb: :D

SHARKEY-IMAGES 04-30-2007 12:03 AM

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