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mccaffertee 06-27-2009 02:58 PM

A good example is look how different the Skater is from a Michael Peters design - both are very different in every way and no similarities.

T2x 06-29-2009 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 2898053)
Ok don't beat me up here but I'm not a Naval Architect so here goes. How different can a 200 mph offshore cats be? At those speeds, I would think that there is a rather standard length to width ratio of the sponsons and boat. Also it would appear that the amount of lift a tunnel makes could be easily calculated with software. So my point is there is a reason Formula 1 cars, fighter plane wings and shapes etc are all nearly identical. I would think it is not that hard to "design" the perfect shape the trick is to tune it perfectly.

So how far off am I?


Good questions...but Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, Corvette, Mercedes, and Bugatti (among others) all make 200 mph cars and yet you can spot them as unique from 100 yards away. You can also clearly tell an F16 from an F18 or an F4 for that matter from a MIG.......at a greater distance.

The statement that form follows function....exactly and repetitively....is patently absurd. As an example, Peter Hledin has been able to take his 32 foot designs and completely change them over the years... with integrity and completely from scratch. To say that any cat you make must look like Peter Hledin's or Mike Peter's designs because there are limits based on the hp/speed envelope..is ludicrous... especially since those two gentlemen's designs are so clearly different from each other's.

T2x

Wahoo ATV 06-29-2009 09:33 AM

T2X,

Thanks for not being to hard on me, but as I said, I don't design boats. I assumed that like a bullet or for that matter anything, their is only ONE design that is the most efficient on the water and all designs would eventually evolve to that design. Regarding the cars I referenced, my point really was to the bullet shape, air diffusors and overall smoothing of the body. The wing designs on planes are probably the most developed man made designs and all follow the same lift principals.

So as the Cat evolves, I would assume they would all be nearly identical at some point in the future.

T2x 06-29-2009 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 2898989)
T2X,

Thanks for not being to hard on me, but as I said, I don't design boats. I assumed that like a bullet or for that matter anything, their is only ONE design that is the most efficient on the water and all designs would eventually evolve to that design. Regarding the cars I referenced, my point really was to the bullet shape, air diffusors and overall smoothing of the body. The wing designs on planes are probably the most developed man made designs and all follow the same lift principals.

So as the Cat evolves, I would assume they would all be nearly identical at some point in the future.

Understood, but if aircraft have evolved in so many ways from the Blackhawk, to the SST, to the current array of stealth designs (single wing B1 versus stealth fighters)...with virtually unlimited (by comparison to boats) financing..... we are a Lo-o-o-ong way from the point where boat designs are in any danger of being forced to merge into a single set of parameters IMHO.

Look.....you have two kinds of "designer builders".... (1)those who quietly innovate with very little chest pumping and ego gratification... and (2) those who spend a great deal of time explaining and defending themselves from charges that they pirated from the former. I'd rather deal with #1.......but a lot of buyers don't see the distinction.

Nuff said.

T2x

skaterdave 06-29-2009 02:23 PM

geez, next thing you know somebody is going to say that the mti's are splashed off skaters???

LostinBoston 06-29-2009 06:06 PM

the canopy is different, the shearline is different, the sides/curves are different, the running surface is different, the tunnel is diffferent. Its a functional design. it doesnt have a "hump" like mti or other unneccesary style additions.

I dont recall any chest pumping, and Mystic only responded to these unwarranted allegations. I know who I would want to do business with as well.

DPT MOTORSPORTS 06-29-2009 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by skaterdave (Post 2899208)
geez, next thing you know somebody is going to say that the mti's are splashed off skaters???

That aught to get the ball rolling even more!

Steve 1 06-29-2009 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by LostinBoston (Post 2899407)
the canopy is different, the shearline is different, the sides/curves are different, the running surface is different, the tunnel is diffferent. Its a functional design. it doesnt have a "hump" like mti or other unneccesary style additions.

I dont recall any chest pumping, and Mystic only responded to these unwarranted allegations. I know who I would want to do business with as well.

This is crazy you profess to be a neophyte but then post inside details! Look design and build something that someone would Even want to steal then get back too us, you are out of your league here.

mccaffertee 06-30-2009 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by LostinBoston (Post 2899407)
the canopy is different, the shearline is different, the sides/curves are different, the running surface is different, the tunnel is diffferent. Its a functional design. it doesnt have a "hump" like mti or other unneccesary style additions.

I dont recall any chest pumping, and Mystic only responded to these unwarranted allegations. I know who I would want to do business with as well.

BUT THEY STILL RESEMBLE EACH OTHER... IT'S OBVIOUSLY A COPY WITH A FEW CHANGES. Platinum spends hundreds of thousands doing it the right way and then someone comes along and builds a similar design for 10 cents on the dollar using all of the R&D from the original.

ruko_19 06-30-2009 01:45 PM

Why if Mystic and Platinum desings are the best Miss Geico Team still using the 44 MTI? because I belive they have each one of them dont they? And I belive this discusion will end when Skater relese their first 50 ft boat with turbines


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