Dont have a clue who u are, but just to keep the facts straight I am doing what I should be doing. Being that you know all then u know I am on the SBI tech committee and helping putting togther what the racers want. Not sure where you are going with this and attaching me all SBI is do is putting it on paper. The teams will vote like I have said before so if no one wants it like u say they will vote it down and it goes away.
Dont forget Outerlimits, and Airway....I wont say what they want because you like your version of whats going on, what I will say is one team sold their big motors already lol.
Also just to be clear never said I was gods gift to offshore but thanks for the compliment and never said if the change is good or bad just facts of whats happening.

I posted my number anytime you want to get real call, I havent insulted or attached you so please get over it. I dont know but sounds like u r upset with this for personal reason.
Maybe if you were a paid registered member of the class you could get a vote and also put ur input in and you wouldnt have to worry about what the rest of the class is voting....just a thought !

im sure you dont have a clue who i am and thats because you would need to pull your head out at the races at some point but you are so self absorbed you dont notice the boats that are faster than you. i dont doubt you are on some committee for sbi, thats about par for the course with sbi. but Dont get online and start proclaiming you knew and know what is best for a class of racing you dont even race in and think im not going to take it personal because its the class I race. Ill call you when you have a boat in my class until then keep running in Jansens wake and smoking your cigs and vapor

Well good luck hope you finish a race next yr.

ive finished plenty of races. hope you dont get lung cancer

Two Cocks Fighting Apparel or Andy Copeland or Viperfitness1
I don't remember seeing you at the meetings in Key West for the proposed engine change. Billy and I are 100% for a spec engine and the only team other than you that is against is Lucas Oil. Sorry to hear you are not for it but the majority is. Airways already sold their engines and Billy's are for sale and coming out of the boat.
We missed you in Clearwater, since our engines had problems still stemming from Sarasota.
Give me a call if you have any questions about the new proposed engine program because I think you will like the reliability and be surprised about the power and not having to bracket race.
If this isn't Andy I'm sorry but I don't know who else it could be from our class?/???
Brett
Twisted Metal

Yupps.......lol

Real classy......lol

real classy dont smoke

yes its me Brett. i will reply to this shortly ive got to go eat dinner

Yuppppps someone got caught fibbing lol.

Post up the proposal here please.looking to possibly get into this class next season but with new proposals out might change which boat we are looking at depending upon specs/regs for changes. We heard that there was a proposal in question just not details in/on them and don't want to bother SBI with questions on a "maybe team"

No bash intentions just curious to see what's on paper.

Sideline sitting to see...

Andy,
I'm not here to have a internet argument with anyone just thought I would let you know our position and the teams that I spoke to in Key West. Were excited about the new engines because I know with the money saved we will be racing A Lot more races next year and are even planning a couple poker runs. Hope to see you and race against you at the first national race in Charlotte Harbor and throughout the year. (or at the Hyatt Sarasota bar again) I'm going out to hurt the liver a little bit since it is Friday night.
Happy Holidays to you and Frank (He's not that bad but is passionate about the sport)
Brett

There is nothing finalized but as soon as it is will be sure to let you know. Thanks for your interest.

Thank you...

Lucas Oil / 2014 Extreme Class
 

Brett,

Congrats on your world championship this year but when i spoke to Billy a couple weeks before kw he told me personally he was NOT in favor of a spec engine class. if you guys want to run a spec engine thats fine and im not trying to stop that but that class should be a supervee limited class like before... extreme should be for the teams who want to push the limits in horsepower and weight and the teams that cant afford to race the extreme class they should race the limited class, bottom line. but for sbi to tell teams they are not welcome because they have to much horsepower is absurd. People like Frank piss me off because he is speaking completely out of class and dosent even race in the class. He may be passionate but so am i and i can smoke his little boat any day. i buy and sell motors all the time but that has nothing to do with the power in my race boat. i hope you and Billy will come chase me next year. btw you guys looked great in kw with that power

The latest draft was just out , will keep you up dated if it is approved. Thanks again

it makes perfect sense. all this bantering aside and my experience with John, he will will put a class together for the teams that want to push the limits of horsepower and put on a show for the fans. just like he did for the cats

Andy I agree all the BS isnt getting anyone anywhere.
Serious good luck and be safe, like you said it will all work out hopefully, and we can get back to racing.

The problem with class votes is that there are very few teams that run the complete season. Some how a team that registers and races once all season and may never race again has the same voting power of a team that supports all the races and has spent a truck load of money. I don't have the answer that the teams that only race once want to hear. IMO If you want to be part of the voting then I believe you need to be at least at 1/2 the races the previous year. Show you have some skin in the game. This goes for any org IMO.
I like Janet's (Lucas) proposal !!!

Recent history proves your point ... we were really looking forward to an exciting and competitive 2013 based upon the merged 2012 Key West Extreme class (merged Unlimited V, P1 and P2 into the Extreme 117 GPS class reducing the number of classes and creating a 10+ boat class for 2013 ... even though we never wanted a speed limit we wanted to race against lots of boats). Therefore, it was extremely disappointing to spend a lot of money optimizing for these new 2013 rules to then race against just one other boat at the first two races (a different boat each race) and nobody at the third race. Besides not being able to afford changing engines for proposed new 2014 rules, why should we spend money when most teams race just Sarasota?
If the class votes on rules changes, and team racing Extreme in 2014 had one vote for each national race they competed in during 2013 the count would look like this:
6 votes Lucas Oil
4 votes Instigator
2 votes Two Cocks
1 vote Twisted Metal
1 vote Outerlimits
1 vote Airway Aerospace
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2 votes Broadco
1 vote Watt Ahh
1 vote Cleveland

Thank you and I assume you mean the transition idea?
Janet

That is exactly what I mean and yes to the transition idea. Am I missing something or does that make more logic?

[QUOTE=TYPHOON;4031634]The problem with class votes is that there are very few teams that run the complete season. Some how a team that registers and races once all season and may never race again has the same voting power of a team that supports all the races and has spent a truck load of money. I don't have the answer that the teams that only race once want to hear. IMO If you want to be part of the voting then I believe you need to be at least at 1/2 the races the previous year. Show you have some skin in the game. This goes for any org IMO.
I like Janet's (Lucas) proposal
I bet there is a pile of teams ( like us ) that would love to run a full season. Some ( like us ) plan on 5 or 6. However, even that can be difficult with drive failures and what not. So we spend a truck load of money as you say to fix our stuff anyway and because we were not able to make it every race we don't matter? That's a bit lame. I realize I don't have a stake in this but you generalized so I felt like chiming in.

Yes you matter !!!!!! Most teams would love to race every race but cant for different reasons. For those teams that do every race or most of them Im sure sacrifice lots of family functions, tons of money and days off work to be at the races. They chose those sacrifices and by doing so help keep race sites with boat count so that the guy that just races locally has a place to race. It may sound harsh to some but the guy that travels to all these sites is actually keeping the sport alive. Teams that Cherry pick sites to race at is hard on any org or race promoter. That doesn't mean you don't matter. You can only do what you can do. I get it.

I do understand your point of view as well.

Thanks Frank, my apologizes for flying off the handle with you but just like you i am passionate about this sport. I spent over 3 years building a boat for a class that is now is in jeopardy of disappearing. I spoke with John Carbonel and Billy Gluek in detail today about my concerns and why im not for the spec engines. i can see both sides of the fence but my stance remains the same. Give the teams that want to push the limits of horsepower and equipment a class to race in. Most of the lessons ive learned in this sport are from my check book but thats how we learn to keep them running. i dont feel like it should be up to a committee or organization telling me what is best for my boat. just more of my 2 cents... good luck to you as well and stay safe out there

Looks like new rules are official for Superboat Extreme. Not really everything we wanted but we will conform to the spec class with pleasure.
I just hope SBI sticks to its 8 classes and doesn't go backwards and makes a class for one or two boats that don't want to race against a non wallet class.
I guess its time to test gear ratios and props instead of just spending money on engines. Man it reminds me of my F2 days but a lot faster.
I'm proud of the balls SBI have to consolidate classes like they did with Superboat and Superboat Exteme!!!!!
If you haven't been spending money on race fuel and superchargers etc. please don't respond.

The new rules are on the SBI web site.....

As an interested bystander , about how much hp does that equate to?

Brian
Don't know for sure but best guess some where about 850 hp

Just my $.02 for whatever that is worth..... surprised to see that they didn't go with the same motor packages for both Super Cat and this New class, if it's a spec class why is there still the 117mph limit, and that they eliminated cats out of the class??....

From what I understand the 117 mph max spped rule is no longer in that class.

hey Brett would you guys be interested in trading your current power for the spec engines? i have a fresh set (wet sump) ready to go if you want to make a swap. ill even deliver and pick up the 1200's whenever the best time is for you. That way there is no money out of pocket for you guys or Billy since that is a concern for your team. Im sad to see SBI split the top class of V-bottoms but im not surprised. We sill stick with lucas oil and race unlimited if we decide to get abused by SBI next year. im serious about trading power. tell Billy to call me if hes interested

If any team is looking for an engine supplier for these engines give me a call. We've been looking to get involved in offshore.

Thanks,

Jim Fasano
Triad Racing Technologies
704-237-1379
336-870-1709 cell

Thanks Jim,

I'll give you a call this week and we can discuss a few things. Most of the classes are moving in the Carb direction so we need to re visit a few of the things we talked about a few months ago.

Hey frank, when do you'll think your going to post rules? Again not in it but just wondering when people will realize that carbs have gone backwards to super cat and super vee and how many people sold the carb motors for 25 cents on the dollar in a move to go forwards. Just curiosity thinking who else except pro stock who uses carbs? No really need to answer just another opinion that doesn't matter.

I still have my carb motors Jerry, Frank, How hard can you turn the motor? And how many ci can they be? Sounds cool. If there is a apba spec type head it will be hard to make 850. It will be fun to try.

About 3/4 throttle. That's about it.