Carb Motors
 

Wow pretty funny when I brought up Carb Motors for the SV class 6-8 months ago I got bashed and told I was going back to old technology. Matter of fact someone not meantioning names came on and said Nascar was even getting anyway from Carb Motors that I should get with it. Guess I wasnt so wrong... Now that SBI took the time and effort to spec a carb motor for the SuperBoat class like I said they were going to and it worked, now carb motors are the next best thing to slice bread. Wow and its cool, and right thing to do now....Lol . I guess its OK now for other Org. to use what they said was old technology now that it has proven itself, and working well for the racers and in turn building the class that the fans love, but it wont be long now for it to be fractured once again same old thing nothing changes its not about the motor its about boat count if the racers like it now carb motors are GOOD. ...why not be original and do something different ?

There will be other classes running simalar motors next yr, and from the teams that I spoke to that are involved they are excited about it for numerous reason. The main reason is cost, plus reliability and it opens the door for numerous motor builders in most everyones area to get back into racing and in turn benifits the racers. Stay tune the rules will be in the rule book soon, and everyone can read them just read them....Lol

BEFORE anyone goes flying off the handle my point of this whole thing was that everyone shouldnt be so fast to bash common seance because sometimes it just make Seance.

No one loves themselves more than you. LOL Your asking your SV class to now go and build yet another motor package? What is that, 3 different motors in 3 years? Make up your mind what makes sense and stick with it. Cant wait to see what the NEW spec carb motor makes for HP in the SV class. I can only pray its aprox 550 HP and you can save your drives and keep the boats under 95 MPH. You need a chill pill dude.

Was that our way of saying I was right Randy...?
Lol I was talking about the Superboat Extreme new motor package that was discussed in KW, but thats right you wouldnt know you werent there,

If SBI does decide to allow a carb motor in SV class what would be the problem with that, races would have options. They could use a Merc, Vortex, or the new package what ever was more cost effective for that team, why just stick Merc down their throats and be held hostage to their pricing ? But Merc would still be an option if they want to use them no one is asking anyone go go and build anything, and there again starts the Randy rumors based on no facts.

Not even sure why you replied it doesnt effect you at all????

Jesus Christ Frank!!!....please proof read your posts! and use spell check. Even Randy spelled all his words right. Im not sure it was actually Randy. May be someone else on his screenname.

Thansk Bruce I'll work on it... ::)

Obviously ..we haven't learned anything ....have we?

Just wanted to see if you were a wake, guess you didnt think it was funny...

Going to be a good show. 110mph Svl's

SV always put on a good show, thats why the fans love the class.

good show? me thinks you be hangin with Nancy Pelossi too much!

If Key West is the season opener for 2014 in SBI, then don't the rules have to be in place prior to the start of the season?? Just curious since we built an SBI motor to run SV this season and now it may not be legal?? That doesn't make much sense... Sorry, I mean seance

Your motor will be legal Kev , we are talking about possible looking at other options also. Looking to try and make it as cost affective as possible . The Merc 525 and the Vortec will still be good to go, as thing progress you will get an email from SBI as a registered member, or call me anytime
Great seeing you in KW you guys did a hell of a job getting ready for Sundays race I know it was a lot of work.

Ok cool, thanks for the heads up Frank! We had a great time runnin with everybody down there..

It's Pelosi...... Just Sayin'.

carry on... :D :D

You got to vote for the new motor before you get to see whats in em.

Being your not a racer you dont have to worry about any vote, less preasure on you.

no interest in this
 

Should this be up to the boat owners??

Have spoken to most of the owners matter of fact had a good conversation with Mark today. It would be in addition to, so no one has to change anything if they dont want to. Not really there yet still have research to do, Richie myself and other members of the tech commity are still putting it together and still in the very early stages. We are talking about possible building one and doing some dyno numbers. and then make the changes and corrections from there. The goal is about 600hp and lower RPMs. Our many goal is cost and reliablity.....Options are always good it would be in addition to the Vortec and Merc.

IMO, a 600 hp Carb motor is fairly cheap to build and that is a good thing. It would make an already, relatively affordable class, even more attractive. If you limit the comp and you limit the cc's and the rpm, I'm sure, it should not be too hard to still to get 600ish. However, even though the people I know would love to be able to run a few seasons without a teardown and most likely will. Who is to say that some hot shot won't build a motor that makes 650-660hp but will only last a few races all inside the class rules. The same applies to the bigger classes. Just my thoughts.

Someone will always try something but thats the job of the inspectors to make sure everyones motor is what it should be, no different then what we do now.

The goal is to make a afforfable, and reliable motor that will run at a little lower RPM and can be service and repair by numerous different build for the fraction of the coat that Merc would charge. We have to look to the future with the Merc 525 going away soon. The plan is also to use Race Pak in the class so that will also help monitor the class, and from the teams I have spoke to they are all on board with it. None of what we are doing is going to happen over night but with a little time it should all come together, if the package isnt what it has to be we will look at other options.

Relax Frank. It was a play on the Pelosi quote on health care. It was a joke, like the current state of SVL.

I guess your idea of a class that is a joke happens to be the largest fleet in Offshore racing with 12-14 registered boat is both Org.

We all know you think all of offshore is a Joke by your past negitive posts, but the funny part is you are glued to the site and don't want to miss anything . You would think some one like you and the way you feel you would move on to the Golf Channel.

I guess your old class wasnt a joke when you went around in circles by yourself or maybe with one other boat now that was really a joke for yrs. Did you hear anyone come out and say your class was a joke, problem is you dont have any respector for racer or the sport . You made the big move to sell your boat and get out of Offshore you need to keep going.

* Lol just kidding just being funny

Take a step back and breath into a paper bag, you are fabricating statements again. I never said "The Class" was a joke. As a matter of fact, SVL has termendous potential. What is a joke is how some of its members represent it and air every stupid thought they have on a public website.

And to correct another of your incorrect statements, While I raced Class 5, Class 6, Class 2, or Super Vee we never had less than 3 entries. Can you say the same for yourself?

Don't stress yourself Frank, I did the research for you.

Out of your 7 races this year in SV you raced more than one other boat 3 times. Out of those 3 races only once did more than 3 boats finish. I bet you are still jacked up on adrenaline after all that close "racing".

Look back at the last 5 -6 posts you have posted on a thread that I have been trying to do something for the SV class and everytime I reply back to ur post you say the same thing RELAX. I guess you are the only one that thinks your post r funny and if you havent figured that out you need to ready them before you post a few times.

I am working hard to try and make changes and better the class whether it all works or not I am trying, it alot more then I can say for what you have done for Offshore. You have no dog in the fight so why be so fast to always be negitive about something that has nothing to do with you. I hope hope you have more important things to do then worry about a class that you think is a joke. I guess everytime we go out there and put on a show and put our B&lls on the line u must think we ar all joke.

I guess you have figured out by now that i am over the negitivaty that you bring this could be the reason your class failed you need to think about that and u did it yourself no one posted what a joke it was we just watched and laughed. If more ppl tried to be positive with postive suggestions just maybe thing would get even better then they are now. If its a joke why dont you give us all some positive input and help us all out.The sport is going to move forward just fine with or without your negitivity, so you need not worry it was here way before you and will be here way after all of us.

I said registed, read it ... You tell me another class that has more.

It was a joke, like the current state of SVL.
I never said "The Class" was a joke

You words not mine....sorry

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I have no dog in this fight, but you're not saying SV (or svl whatever it is now) is the biggest class in offshore racing are you..?

Thanks for your help....

Time for me to move on and get back to work....

You wont find a post that I ever call any SV racer a club racer in any Org., just want to keep the facts str8.

Since frank was speaking out of class when he started this thread i will give my input. and i do have a dog in this fight. Spec carb engines in the Supervee Extreme class is a stupid idea. The class should be no horsepower or weight restrictions and should be a "run what you brung" class. The fans REALLY want to see the biggest supercharged or turbo'ed big blocks money can buy chasing each other around the course. We all use different technology to make our boats fast and we all have worked years on our systems. For SBI to change this is the dumbest idea ive heard yet and will eliminate boats from coming to races. They should bring back the Supervee Limited for the boats and racers who want to run a spec engine. Ive spoke personally to all the teams and only know of one who actually wants it because its close to the engine he runs now. Hell i even think you "Lite" boys should start throwing some big power in to make it exciting. Maybe then you can run down Jansen.

Just to be clear, SBI is working with class at their request on a motor package that the teams have given SBI their input. The class will vote on the package after the final draft is done per the info they have supplied SBI. If the class doesnt want it as u say then it wont be approved pretty simple it will get voted down.

just to be clear from somebody in the class and someone who as attended meetings in regards to this issue. SBI is not working on this with the class, one racer named Peter Meyer (who's retiring again or so he says) is requesting this. No other team in the meeting i attended even expressed interest in this. Who are the teams supplying SBI with this spec engine info Frank? There has also been emails circulating in the class expressing to SBI why this is not a good idea and its forcing big power supervees into the cat unlimited class . im also confused on why you have become a spokes person for SBI in the supervee extreme class?

Call me and I can get up to speed.

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Smaller engines in that class would be a darn shame. Granted, only once a year do all the big boys show up but its a heck of a class to watch. I wonder how Billy from twisted metal feels about ripping out his 1200's for a set of spindly 700's. or any other for that matter. Oh and btw I thought is was totally lame that they(sbi) put the Cat-killer in with the unlimited cats. What is the big difference between a 42 Fountain with 1200's or a OL and a 45 Fountain w/1500's? The class is capped at 117 anyway.

Bill is all about it, he's over throughing good money after bad to try and finish a race. Spoke to Bill in KW and looking forward to reliable cost affective racing. We all like to watch the unlimited classes but not pay what some of these team pay to keep running.

The class motor is not going to be 700hp, not sure where that came from?

Its cat killer, the infamous machine Reggie designed, dialed in and promoted to kill cats, Its all he could talk about for several years. He drove his company into the ground promoting its virtues, and you say its lame it had to race against cats. Its the cat killier, not the llama lover, not the puppy pounder, its THE CAT KILLER Shouldn't it be racing cats???

Its a boat, like any other and was in the wrong class. As for the class changes, I guess I was misinformed. Oh, and btw, Reggie doesn't own it anymore. As far as I know it was bought as a basket case. The drives were even clipped. Kudos to the new owner and small crew for getting it back together to go play.

Frank, whatever is in that vapor you smoke must be going to your head. Billy was NOT all about it when i spoke to him. what is so cost effective about the motors they are proposing? i happen to have almost the identical motors they are proposing for my apache and they make about 680-720hp. not sure where you are getting your information. You should worry about the class YOU race and stop acting like you are gods gift to offshore racing and know whats best for classes you dont even race. Joe Lamberti from cat killer drove for me in Clearwater this year and i can guarantee i can out run that boat. matter of fact i beat him in KW in 2010 in the friday race and he only beat me sunday because Peter loaned him a set of engines and i broke a drive shaft. Joe is cool as sh!t but i agree he needs to come race with the rest of the supervee extremes. ive got a point to prove to him. and if peter and billy want to run the same motor then they can race the supervee limited class.

if they implement a spec motor for the extreme class next year im dropping to p3 and going to beat the crap out of kilted tilt and daredevils new boat