Single engine limit/length limit for P5?
10-17-2002 | 03:27 PM
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P is just about get'n started...hell sometimes people race up a class because no ones in it....say like p2.
top speed in what water conditions??
well if everyone averaged 69mph it would still be a close race...even if one was a 200hp bass boat and the other a 3000hp 50 magnum...right???
ps...one more thing... f-2 boats can go well into the 90's...but do they in a race??? race speeds and what a boats top speed are 2 very different #'s...
top speed in what water conditions??
well if everyone averaged 69mph it would still be a close race...even if one was a 200hp bass boat and the other a 3000hp 50 magnum...right???
ps...one more thing... f-2 boats can go well into the 90's...but do they in a race??? race speeds and what a boats top speed are 2 very different #'s...
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10-17-2002 | 03:34 PM
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Our boat is not capable of exceeding the 69 MPH top speed limit for this class as it is configured. It's 20 years old, no "steps" in the hull, running old TRS drives. Newer 38 foot stepped hulls will be quite faster than it is. I may add that we were placed in this class by APBA when the boat was registered and assigned its' numbers.
Which is part of the reason I disagree with "banning" the boat from P5 as was proposed in the first post of this thread. Our boat can be considered as an "entry-level" boat that the average person could easily pick-up on the open market and go racing.
And like it has been stated earlier, isn't this supposed to be fun, too?
Which is part of the reason I disagree with "banning" the boat from P5 as was proposed in the first post of this thread. Our boat can be considered as an "entry-level" boat that the average person could easily pick-up on the open market and go racing.
And like it has been stated earlier, isn't this supposed to be fun, too?
10-17-2002 | 06:33 PM
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you hit right on RR...for the fun of it!!...seat time!!...race your race...not the boat next to ya....that can really get ya into trouble with out that seat time.
ps...i think the best way to start out is in a One Design Boat...that is how i started Dre' driving a race boat...but that's of the subject now isn't it
ps...i think the best way to start out is in a One Design Boat...that is how i started Dre' driving a race boat...but that's of the subject now isn't it
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10-18-2002 | 08:08 AM
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From the APBA Offshore 2002 Rules:
p. 75 Sect V.A. (partial quote)
"APBA Offshore inspectors will use a mathematical formula to determine a boat's top speed based on perfect water conditions."
p. 76 Section D. COMPETITION REQUIREMENTS-
1.Required Information-
a. Each engine horsepower
b. Drive manufacturer and model
c. Drive gear ratio
d. Top engine rpm at full throttle drive trimmed out
e. Propeller you will race with pitch and diameter
f. Boats ultimate top speed in perfect water conditions
3. Competition Speed Verification
a. Radar
b. Sealed GPS
c. Actual post race verification by APBA inspector
Please remember that this was taken from the rule book. Don't ask me when I've ever seen "perfect water conditions" or what they are. But there has to be limits and I think the rules are pretty specific. Notice there are no limits on boat size or horsepower. And per the rules P class is not only an entry level.
Quoting again p.76 " The Outlaw Performance Classes shall serve as a place where racers can begin their racing career, work on racing skills, or a place where a boat can race that does not fit into any other class that APBA Offshore currently offers." Do to my very limited typing skills I have not attempted to include everything about P class just a few highlights.
P5NAV,
If we get to the GLOPRA series next year I'll look you up.
raynman
p. 75 Sect V.A. (partial quote)
"APBA Offshore inspectors will use a mathematical formula to determine a boat's top speed based on perfect water conditions."
p. 76 Section D. COMPETITION REQUIREMENTS-
1.Required Information-
a. Each engine horsepower
b. Drive manufacturer and model
c. Drive gear ratio
d. Top engine rpm at full throttle drive trimmed out
e. Propeller you will race with pitch and diameter
f. Boats ultimate top speed in perfect water conditions
3. Competition Speed Verification
a. Radar
b. Sealed GPS
c. Actual post race verification by APBA inspector
Please remember that this was taken from the rule book. Don't ask me when I've ever seen "perfect water conditions" or what they are. But there has to be limits and I think the rules are pretty specific. Notice there are no limits on boat size or horsepower. And per the rules P class is not only an entry level.
Quoting again p.76 " The Outlaw Performance Classes shall serve as a place where racers can begin their racing career, work on racing skills, or a place where a boat can race that does not fit into any other class that APBA Offshore currently offers." Do to my very limited typing skills I have not attempted to include everything about P class just a few highlights.
P5NAV,
If we get to the GLOPRA series next year I'll look you up.
raynman
10-20-2002 | 07:19 PM
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I hope see both the APBA and SBI keep their current "P" class rules. I plan to make my debut in P5 this coming season in a new Pantera and bump up to P4 the following year. (It should be a little more fun racing, then watching from a Medical Boat)
Yeah it's kinda of a bummer to have such big boats in the smaller classes, I have a friend that's forced to race his 24 Skater against 38' Fountains in P2. Even with that in mind, I still think the current rules are fair and promote greater participation by weekend warriors and people who want to have a competitive boat that the family can still enjoy when not racing.
PS I'm still a Firefighter / Paramedic first, and in the interest of my fellow racers and good sportsmanship, If ya crash in front of me, I'll still rescue ya... Be safe and God Bless...
Yeah it's kinda of a bummer to have such big boats in the smaller classes, I have a friend that's forced to race his 24 Skater against 38' Fountains in P2. Even with that in mind, I still think the current rules are fair and promote greater participation by weekend warriors and people who want to have a competitive boat that the family can still enjoy when not racing.
PS I'm still a Firefighter / Paramedic first, and in the interest of my fellow racers and good sportsmanship, If ya crash in front of me, I'll still rescue ya... Be safe and God Bless...
11-01-2002 | 04:30 PM
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Why not limit to P1-P3 and all the boats fit in 1 of 3 classes?More boats in each class means more fun.Plus you could get rid of 3 classes.P5 is the best to watch because there our more boat in class.
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11-02-2002 | 07:27 AM
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Randy,
I would go along with your suggestion, three P classes would be enough! You could change it to 1)Single engine V, 2)twin engine V, 3)cats&anything else. By doing this, you dont eliminate anyone and you create more competition with more boats!
I think you should run for Northeast Commissioner!
I would go along with your suggestion, three P classes would be enough! You could change it to 1)Single engine V, 2)twin engine V, 3)cats&anything else. By doing this, you dont eliminate anyone and you create more competition with more boats!
I think you should run for Northeast Commissioner!
