F1, What's the hot setup???
 

I have to admit, I haven't been following racing recently. Although I'm a converted cat guy, I'm playing with the idea of picking up a vee in the 30' range. If I do I'd like to be able to run in F1 in the future if I so desire. With that said, what's the hot setup for this class?

I really like the Superboat 30-y2k because its layout and I would think the 7' beam is a real benefit for cutting through the rough stuff.

Opinions would be appreciated!
TIA

The new 30 Extreme will be fun to watch. I assume one will be racing in F-1. How 'bout it Wardey?

I would hold off on Buying a F-1 boat until all the offshore turmoil settles down. Im not sure they know what engine package they are running yet. 30 feet is the biggest you can go. The Superboat Y-2K is an awesome boat. But slower than much of the fleet because of its size. It holds up nicely in rough water, but how often have we seen that?

Good luck

Bruce,
Maybe I should have clarified my earlier post...
I'm casually looking for a vee. Some history - I currently have two boats, a Yamaha jetboat that I drag all over creation, and a med. size cat that I use in the ocean. The state and my insurance company are getting RICH off me between the two boats, five cars, truck, and a motorcycle. Not to mention I'm running out of space. **** needs to go! I like the little jetboat because it's so portable, but it sucks azz in anything more than 1.5'. Love the cat, but the insurance is crazy and not as easy to drag around. Even though I think cats are FAR superior in every way on the water, for the above reasons I'm thinking about the my consolidation possibilities. So my consolidation boat would be purchased with the intention of using it mainly for pleasure use with the possibility of running it in F1 if I wanted to in the future. I live on Long Island Sound and the water conditions are almost always ugly (2'-5' on average). As I mentioned, I also like to take weekend trips to out of state lakes. My usage is 75% ocean use 25% medium size lake use.

I'm considering the SB 30 because I'm guessing that it can handle my ocean needs (reasonably) and yet I think it would be small/light enough to take road trips with. I realize that it wouldn't be the fastest smooth water F1 boat, but the ability to handle rougher conditions out weighs that for my application. I want the single engine rather than the twin for cost and towing ease. After owning a cat, I'm going to have a difficult time dropping speeds. I'm guessing a SB Y2K is likely good for 80mph with a 525 in it. If so I think I can live with that. I've never been in a Y2K, I wonder if it will meet my big water handling expectations...

Also, any other 30' boats come to mind that you think might work for me?

Well, I think you should check out the Superboat site.

They have some great deals goin right now and they are in Long Island. John Coen is a great guy and will steer you in the right direction. If your pleasure boating most of the time, I would say its a great boat. Its a great race boat too. It just needs rough water to compete with some of the smaller faster boats.

Other boats to consider are the 28 Pantera, and the 30 Phantom,

Why race F-1 though?
if your not going to race the entire circuit, its a waste of time and money. Race locally in P-Class with us in OPA and youll have a great time.

good luck

32 Sutphen
 

..new deck design...and can't be beat in the rough stuff!

www.sutphenpowerboats.com

Marty...is that a single or twin setup???

they're doing them either way now....

Nice looking boat

another shot
 

Are they still conventional V or stepped??? Need a big power plant to run 80mph with a single

SS930,
While everyone will try to talk you into a different class....its your try disition...if your looking to racing where you can make money and a compeditive class and is not to expensive you have the right idea....In 3 years of racing in F1 their is money to be made and their is the best racing for a small investment....but also look at what F1

no steps there!....never had 'em, never will...probably hit 80 with the bigger Merc...

Gino..Baby..Sweetheart

I dont think he is looking into becoming a die hard racer overnight. In his post, he said he will be pleasure boating most of the time with an occasional race here and there. If he does most of his boating in the NY area, and wants to race, why not race P-class locally instead of driving all over G-ds creation? F-1 is a great competitive class. I would love to race it myself. Hell, maybe I will.

See ya

I love the 32' Sutphen... very nice boat. The problem I have with a 32' is $, size/weight, and power required to do 80 mph. I'm looking to spend south of $80,000 for a new or slightly used boat. To get the sutphen 32 to do 80mph, you're talking twins or a very healthy single. As I said before, I'd prefer to avoid twins, and a big azz single = $$$ and poor reliablitiy. I'd like to stick with a single 500 or 525, I like the idea of not having to worry about engine problems... can't do that with most SC engines.

SS930,
While everyone will try to talk you into a different class....its your disision...if your looking to racing where you can make money and a compeditive class and is not to expensive you have the right idea....In 3 years of racing in F1 their is money to be made and their is the best racing for a small investment....but also look at what F1's are out thier for sale used also....if you look back on the last 4 years of F1 racing you will see different manufactures boats run better and worse in different seas....if your looking for a good rough water boat to race....the Activator is on of the best and the fastest....it has been up front since it made the entry into F1 in 2001....I'm not trying to sell you something just telling you from being behind the wheel and if I was smart 3 years ago before I bought my F1 it would have been alot eiser.....as far as engine pack. in APBA for 2004 we will be running last years rules....but in a activator weather you HP is 450 to 560 the boat will be running up in the front....the Warlocks have also shown they are a good rough water boat along with the Kryptinite and Superboat.....I'm not here trying to sell you a boat just giving you input....my F1 is for sale and I'm not even going to mention it....but dollar for dollar right now the 2002 Activator that is Dave's is for sale it its cheap and can win....I say that based on how new it is compared to others that are for sale and it has proven it will be up front.....today if I was going to buy a F1 race boat and my objection was a fast boat that I know can win and is worth evey penny thats the boat....with an average sponsor and a good year racing you could get what you pay for it racing one year.....
I hope to see you racing in F1 soon and you better be behind me
Gino

Racing is just an option I'd like to leave open for the future... I just want to make sure the boat I buy will fit in some class and at least be competitive.

SS....for the $$...a new Y2K is hard to beat!...great boats.....

Good Luck!

:cool:

Sorry Bruce..

SS930,
Even as a plessure boat and running in N.Y. That boat would be a good one..B.J. can contest to that and he sold his to the guys next....just things to think about.....

if you are pleasure boating most of the time, how would you want the boat set up? in other words do you want use of a cabin and its amenities? If you do, some of these boats may not fit your requirements. Gino is right. If you were gonna race F-1 and wanted to be up front, I would say Activator or Kryptonite hands down.
I dont see the Y-2K winning in F-1 anytime soon. But they would be in the top 4 most of the time.

"Racing is an option for the future".
Unfortunately, if and when you decide to race, the boat you buy may not be set up to compete with the current technology and / or power options in future years.

That why I recommend P-class.

Bruce.....I think its time for the move to F1....and I have the perfect boat......a nice 2001 Fountain and now that all the blood is washed off it and with a good medical coverage your done.....I think I'm going to need some northern boys that have hit thier heads acouple of times to get into the boat
Gino

Bruce,
The cabin is not much of an issue. Don't have one now, probably wont need one in the future. The wife wants a porta-potty:rolleyes:, but other than that I won't use a cabin other than for storage. How many people actually use there cabin? Most boaters I know don't, but everyone that see's my cat points out that it doesn't have a cabin (no chit!). I can't stand the smell of used boat cabins anyway. A race boat isn't a problem for me as long as it has some space in the cockpit and has all controls accessable from the drivers seat. The thing that does bother me a litle about a used race boat is that you know it has had the chit beat out of it most of its life.
I think you're right about going P class, if I decide to go that route in the future. I probably won't have the time to dedicate to the full F1 schedule.


Gino,
What size are the Activator's and Kryptonite's you're referring to? Where can I find info on Daves boat? What happened with your Fountain???:eek:


Thanks guys. ;)

Right now there. are three top boats in the front at each race. Lavey Craft, Activator and Kryptonite and after Ft Lauderdale I personaly would now buy and Kryptonite. "Sorry Randy" Go look how they are built and go for a ride in one. If you want a boat that is a go rough water boat Lavey has 29 that's 30'9" over all and it won the worlds in 2001. With a 500hp it's a 80-81 mph boat and in the rough it rides nice.

SS930,
The Activator is a 27 along with the Krytinite I thing Randy has both Kryptinites for sale....as far as Dave's Activator..I'm suprised he has not chimed in yet with the info....the boat is at Al's shop in Tampa..Addiction Watersports....plus these Northern boys have Dave's info..
As far as my flying coufin....2 years racing....2 back sugerys's....its a tradition in my boat...race it and their will be blood all over the place.....you get used to it after a while.....

Frank....If you get a chance all me after 5pm on the cell....its been crazy hear....
Gino

Daves boat is still available...2002 27 foot Activator

No more that 50 hours on it. You may want to paint it , but thats all. It run very well and can compete in F-1 w/ no problem. I believe he is asking low 40s for it.

Heres the link to Daves Boat

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...&postid=483995

How about our 28?

[email protected]

Sweet looking boat, but not F-1 legal

You guys need to understand, the 30' Superboat is not that much slower that the rest, For the last 3 years We had to race 375lbs more that the Activators and the Kryptonites, They reduced our weight a little in Ft. Lauderdale were we tied for second, really finishing third but we still had to weigh more that everyone else. I really thought this year would be different with the 1,1,1 concept but I guess that was wishful thinking. These boats are true F1 boats built to the original rules, back seats and cabin layout w/V berth.

with HP500 XR/standardlower=80mph
VORTECH/XRsportmaster=80mph
VORTECH/XRstandardlower=83

Same results with 525merc, these boats do not
work well with the sportmaster but handles rough
water and turns like no other,

2 for sale my 2001 less morot & drive 40K
or with HP500and XRdrive
2003 w/525 75K but dont quote me call
John at SUPERBOAT 631-226-1761
both boats best of everything

Eddie Simmons
F1-68

Hey Ed...

why is that? because of the 525 package? or for another reason?

And for us dummys, what exactly is the 1 1 1 concept? I've been seeing that around lately but didnt know what it meant

Eddie,
Call me when you get a chance.....I talked to the people who it matters to and it will be handled...I don't want to talk about it hear....not that its not good to talk to you guys....sometimes things get way off the subject hear and it defeats the purpose
Gino:D :D :D

Bruce,
The APBA rule book makes you add 125lbs per foot in length, example a 26 Kryptonite with HP500 had to weight 4600 but a 29'10" Superboat had to weight 4975lbs I have been fighting this rule for 3 years, it wasn't until this year (don't quote me on this) when Steve M tested Jim's Scheer's 29 Warlock that he understood how much the weight was killing us specially with acceleration. This year Randy with the 525 had to weigh 4950lbs and John and I had to weigh 5350lbs, the boat weighs 4600 dry so you can see how much lead we had to add. If you were at the PT. Pleasant you would have seen John and John Jr. win that race even before Randy and Glenn broke.

The 1+1+1 concept stood for 1engine 1 weight and 1 drive, most of us F1 guys were really pushing for this to bring the polarity back to F1, we all voted on this and when it came to witch engine to run it all fell apart, This is my favorite class and I hope it all get straiten out.

Eddie

Thanks Eddie,

I didnt realize you had to add weight just because you were running a bigger boat. Learn somethin everyday.

I could see how the 1 1 1 rule would have benefitted you

:D :D :D Oh, I think there might be one out there..... Dave

sweet!!

:D