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zt260 09-14-2010 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by jdub (Post 3208045)
Did the thought that they were running faster cross my mind?....sure it did....Do I have any reason to doubt what the driver stated...not one. The truth is only two people know for sure how fast they were running.

I can think of several reasons. First he worked for Don and doesn’t need to lose his boss, friend, and job all in one day. Have the cop’s ever pulled you over and you admitted the exact top speed you were doing?

He’s probably worried about law suits. Not that there will be any, but why give up any ammunition.

And lastly no one enjoys taking blame for any type of accident.

I hope physical evidence proves me wrong, but the odds are against it.

Vinny P 09-14-2010 09:39 PM

[QUOTE=jdub;3208 Hopefully more info will come forward so we can have a better understanding of what happened.[/QUOTE]

Thats what this is al about. Trying to understand this, to help us all out in the future.

Lauderdaleboats 09-14-2010 09:50 PM

This is very sad and my condolences to family and friends.

I've had a few issues with steering on the ITS transom but it was a rigging issue. I had swapped out a standard bravo with external latham steering to an ITS on a single V keeping the original helm. I noticed lock to lock had gone from 4 turns on the standard to 2.5 turns with the ITS beacause of smaller volume in the ITS steering cylinders. Thought no big deal, steering will be a bit more positive. Ran the boat out several times with no issues and one day, broken PS belt. Because of the speed and trim I was at the drive was actually crabbing a bit. When the belt broke the boat veered to the right. With all my strength I tried to turn the wheel but only felt the helm ratcheting like fluid bursting through the helm valves. Luckily I stayed in the boat and made it home. I discussed this later with Lathem who told me there is a specific cc helm to use with the ITS and the volume on the current helm was too large. That coupled with the geometry of the ITS rams versus the transom mount rams led to the loss of control. It was explained to me that the parrallel geometry of the ITS rams takes alot more effort to turn the drive than a transom mounted ram at near to or at a 45 degree angle.

On all of the single go-fast or race boats I've built for myself I always use the capilano helm with no PS pump. It's a bit harder on the arms but you truly feel the boat and drive reacting morso than with power steering.

jdub 09-15-2010 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by zt260 (Post 3208083)
I can think of several reasons. First he worked for Don and doesn’t need to lose his boss, friend, and job all in one day. Have the cop’s ever pulled you over and you admitted the exact top speed you were doing?

He’s probably worried about law suits. Not that there will be any, but why give up any ammunition.

And lastly no one enjoys taking blame for any type of accident.

I hope physical evidence proves me wrong, but the odds are against it.

I guess this is where you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Have I ever been pulled over and admitted my speed...yes. Because when the cop pulls you over he always asks..."Do you know why I'm pulling you over"....of course I do. I see no reason to insult the mans intelligence at this point.

Sure the guy must feel horrible. I just don't think at the time of the accident he was thinking of his job or lawsuits. Do I think he lied about the speed he was running to the cops....no I don't. I find it very possible that they were running the speeds he stated and experienced a mechanical failure. The boat hooked,Don was ejected,and knocked unconscious.

But like you I do hope more physical evidence will come forward. It just seems that with these accidents it rarely gets closure.

jdub 09-15-2010 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by Lauderdaleboats (Post 3208106)
This is very sad and my condolences to family and friends.

I've had a few issues with steering on the ITS transom but it was a rigging issue. I had swapped out a standard bravo with external latham steering to an ITS on a single V keeping the original helm. I noticed lock to lock had gone from 4 turns on the standard to 2.5 turns with the ITS beacause of smaller volume in the ITS steering cylinders. Thought no big deal, steering will be a bit more positive. Ran the boat out several times with no issues and one day, broken PS belt. Because of the speed and trim I was at the drive was actually crabbing a bit. When the belt broke the boat veered to the right. With all my strength I tried to turn the wheel but only felt the helm ratcheting like fluid bursting through the helm valves. Luckily I stayed in the boat and made it home. I discussed this later with Lathem who told me there is a specific cc helm to use with the ITS and the volume on the current helm was too large. That coupled with the geometry of the ITS rams versus the transom mount rams led to the loss of control. It was explained to me that the parrallel geometry of the ITS rams takes alot more effort to turn the drive than a transom mounted ram at near to or at a 45 degree angle.

On all of the single go-fast or race boats I've built for myself I always use the capilano helm with no PS pump. It's a bit harder on the arms but you truly feel the boat and drive reacting morso than with power steering.


Thanks for the story Chris. I always thought that the geometry of the rams on the ITS were questionable on a single. Especially a fast one.

30ctsutphen 09-15-2010 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by jdub (Post 3207769)
I was out in some snotty water a couple weekends ago. I love it. Compared to other boats I've had it was much nicer because the boat is built around sitting and running. That makes it much more comfortable to me. If you could keep your junk together I would take you out and show you how to run in the rough :evilb:

So kryptos are sit down boats?

I dont like to sit down in a boat. I gotta stand. My drop outs are always down in my sutphen. Do you guys have drop outs in them?

I like the hull asthetically allot. really liked the looks of dons boat. It is a beautiful ride.

It drives me crazy to try and sit in my boat though.

You guys seem like a nice tight group over here too. I wanna learn more about your hulls and their performance.

Mastercraft240 09-15-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jdub (Post 3207769)
I was out in some snotty water a couple weekends ago. I love it. Compared to other boats I've had it was much nicer because the boat is built around sitting and running. That makes it much more comfortable to me. If you could keep your junk together I would take you out and show you how to run in the rough :evilb:

YOOO MANNNN,

Its gonna be a 540ci now. 650-675hp VOOM VOOOOOOOM:lolhit:

...... and a new imco lower:angry-smiley-038:

Now start wetsanding your boat meathead. You have a lot of catching up to do......

PARADISE ISLAND 09-15-2010 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by jdub (Post 3207769)
I was out in some snotty water a couple weekends ago. I love it. Compared to other boats I've had it was much nicer because the boat is built around sitting and running. That makes it much more comfortable to me. If you could keep your junk together I would take you out and show you how to run in the rough :evilb:

Sad accident but pushing a boat in the rough any size is not smart know when to back off!Your boat will last longer also!

TeamSaris 09-15-2010 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by mastercraft240 (Post 3209003)
YOOO MANNNN,

Its gonna be a 540ci now. 650-675hp VOOM VOOOOOOOM:lolhit:

...... and a new imco lower:angry-smiley-038:

Now start wetsanding your boat meathead. You have a lot of catching up to do......

There calling for 6-9s for the ac race...im gonna find out what this thing is made of :D Damn that yellow shines...wanna do ours?

jdub 09-16-2010 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by 30ctsutphen (Post 3208983)
So kryptos are sit down boats?

I dont like to sit down in a boat. I gotta stand. My drop outs are always down in my sutphen. Do you guys have drop outs in them?

I like the hull asthetically allot. really liked the looks of dons boat. It is a beautiful ride.

It drives me crazy to try and sit in my boat though.

You guys seem like a nice tight group over here too. I wanna learn more about your hulls and their performance.

Yeah Kryptos are sit down boats. I was the same way about standing until I rode in a boat that was made to sit in and run. The ergonomics at the helm are perfect for me and I can see well over the bow of the boat easily. My last hull was a 28 Saber, arguably one of the best rough water 28 +/- hulls, and I can honestly say that I gave nothing up in that regard moving to a Kryptonite. They just eat the rough up and run flat and level while doing it. Plus power to weight ratio and hull efficiency, I believe, are second to none. If your ever down in my area feel free to stop by and we can go for a ride. By the way ever since I rode in my buddys 39 Sutphen I've had the itch for a single BBC 26 RR. I just could never find the right one....they are far and few between.


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