Originally Posted by Philm

About this whole $25k a piece business or whatever they cost in real life. Lets say for arguements sake that they are actually $25k each (even though I have heard as low at $21k each) and compare that to the full setup needed when building a new boat, not converting an old one.

Transom Assembly with full steering for a Bravo style drive: $8449.00
http://www.imcomarine.com/ca_store/i...roducts_id=775

Imco SC Drive (would go with SCX but will compromise with SC): $10,975.00
http://diamondperformanceparts.com/p...cat=258&page=1

Hydraulic Helm Setup: $860.00 (not including lines OR power steering pumps)
http://www.cpperformance.com/p-12362...-assembly.aspx

So that is a grand total of : $20284.00

Want to add an extension box, that the Arneson just so happens to come with???

Add another $1800.00
http://www.cpperformance.com/p-13905...-box-only.aspx

and this is without even getting into trim pumps, or bellhousing, or transmission, all that come with the ASD-7M.

So from the looks of it, if you are rigging out a NEW boat, the choice to go with Arnesons should not be difficult. I am sure that you will argue that these are MSRP prices and not actual out the door prices, but I bet if you were serious about putting two of Riks drives on a new boat, he would cut you some slack also.

Lets not start pricing out a dry sump Six or even an NXT package.

I realize tht I dont even own an Arneson product, but I feel like Rik gets way too much flak on here for the OUTRAGEOUS price of his drives, that turns out isnt that outrageous at all when you consider all that it comes with standard.
* Aluminum drop center (AI#7M): 1 each aluminum thrust assembly (gear or chain drive)
* 1 each steering cylinder with external hoses and fittings
* 1 each trim cylinder with external hoses and fittings
* 1 Mechanical Tie Bar Mount
* 1 Trim Pump
* 1 AI#7M Standoff Box
* 1 Transmission
* Transmission Oil Cooler
* Transmission Oil Lines and Fittings
* Shift Bracket
* 1 Bellhousing
* 1 Drive Plate
* 1 Short Coupled Drive Line
* 1 each helm unit
* Mounting bolts, backing Plates, Studs, Nuts & Washers
* Rear Engine Mount
* Trim Indicator Bracket
* One Year Warranty on Drive and Transmission


Rik, you are welcome. And you can use this post on all of those annoying ass threads about how pricey your drives are.

Originally Posted by Rik

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Mastercraft240

Ok than someone can clear this up. HOW MUCH IS THE BRAVO CONVERSION DRIVE? INSTALLED PRICE AND JUST THE PACKAGE PRICE??????????

Originally Posted by SS930

Dont forget the cost of props and glass work if the transom has a notch that needs to be filled.

With that said, you can get some coin for your old parts and the Arneson product is not only superior (IMO), but you also gain some speed with it (and we all know speed costs!) The long term maintenance, or lack there of, almost pays for itself too.

Originally Posted by Mastercraft240

The bravo application will be a hit, if its not already. Allows people to build bravo x-dimen boats and sell them without worrying about loss of retail. Phil, I can see us now, throwing 2 rooster right in johns face

Originally Posted by Philm

The Bravo Application has been around for a little while now, and while it seems that they have sold some units, I wouldnt say that it has "been a hit".

While my previous post has pointed out the very minimal cost difference in rigging out a new boat with Arnesons vs. Bravos, in the aftermarket of Bravo replacements, it is really too costly to be considered as a viable alternative. The boat already would have the hydraulic steering, the helm, the rigging, the transom assembly, the bellhousing, ect.. All you would need to buy is the "Leg" of the drive, which even at their most expensive, the IMCO SCX at $13k (not taking into account the X-Power/Strut as it is stupid expensive), it is still only half as expensive as putting on an Arneson and can be done in about 5 minutes total. Unlike the rigging changes that would need to be made, engine height adjustments, possible transom work, and R/R of engines to install the trannies. Yes you can sell the Bravo stuff, but even then you MIGHT recoup half the cost of the Arneson package.

And then, after all that, you still have a package that is going to require a TON of dialing in to get it to work to its full potential, whereas a replacement Bravo setup is relatively easy to dial in.

So for these reasons, I feel like Arneson drives are absolutely fantastic drives for newbuilds, where the boat can be rigged for the drives from the get go and will cost about the same as any other Bravo setup.

BUT, as a Bravo replacement I never forsee them getting the kind of foothold that IMCO, MMW, or any other Bravo replacement shop have on the market.

Originally Posted by Mastercraft240

Phil, I understood your first post. I was referring to buying a new boat with the arneson drive and when you decide to sell, the ability to switch it out with a used xz or xr and keep all your arneson rigging. Some people are iffy about arneson boats, I don't agree with it... but it is fact. This allows you to build a new boat with arneson bravo conversions and still keep the ability to transfer the drives to your new boat if you decide to sell.