http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYK78rm-KPI

This little rig sings.

You have guys that put little to no steering on a 29ft custom boat (or worse a 496 with no steering) Not sure why Jeff would even acquiesce but Ive heard a million stories - sometimes the client "has a guy for this and that" that kind of story happens all the time.

Then you have other guys - like me that have an ITS on a 21ft boat.

My favorite are the idiots that try to tell you they have "an engine guy" and they think that means they can drop a bare block off on a pallet ( no headers, looms, ignition intake) and claim they delivered "the engine" - in this business you just never know.

UD

Did you end up with Quents 2750? Thats the only one I can think out of Tennesee.
That was a phenomenal piece of work, and I keep getting handled by DW about the windscreen on that rig.
If you are used to East Coast rigs I think you'll find the West Coast stuff quite different.

Congrats either way Paul.

UD

UD-
I did buy Quent's boat and am so excited about it! Given I have never had the chance to get up close to a Lavey, your coverage on the boat and brand played a big role in my decision. Quent was an absolute gentleman to deal with and I could not be happier about the deal and boat. Toughest part of it all has been Steve Tripp's passing. I was in touch with him a week before the tragedy about the motor. I'm sick to my stomach over it! Beyond that, the boat has everything I was looking for. And yes, the windshield is sweet! Had plenty of go-fasts and the last one was a triple digit one w/o windscreen. Pretty much a prerequisite this time around. It came down to Lavey, Howard or DCB and I definitely feel good about my choice.
I hear it is a driver's boat and am looking forward to learning it's manners. I also think we are going to enjoy the west coast configuration!
Thanks for all your input even though you didn't realize where some of it was going!
Paul

I didn't know Steve Tripp, but I only ever heard the greatest things about the guy- so very sad.
Also perhaps preventable which makes it even sadder. I couldn't fathom those speed with zero safety gear.

If there was a rig that I was jealous of it'd be your new ride.
(although an open bow isn't ideal for Ocean running - it rules on lakes)

I watched that whole thing go together piece by piece.
Depending on your perspective I think you will deliriously happy with it. When Bert got his 29 he said it felt small, but he was used to a brand called "power quest" which seems more of a bulk cruiser than a performance boat.

All the boats you mention are nice, but everything in life is a tradeoff- for bigger water I think you made the right choice.

The howard is fast- but sacrifices water handling - not a 24 degree V, has smaller tank, and the gelocoat work is typically a flat color. The lavey has more beam and is a touch longer. Howard makes great boats though.

The DCB is based on an Eliminator, but Dave has great quality- but its still really a "lake boat".

Quents/ Your 2750 was a kevlar layup to accomodate a crazy blown big block that If I recall Dustin Whipple himself built.
I remember the Lavey guys couldnt actually cut the cloth as they would normally.it was certainly a big deal.

What mill is in it now?

always happy to help BTW...

UD

The current engine is a N/A 540 built by Steve with pretty much dyno time only. Built with all the right stuff and dynoed at 675 HP @5800 RPM.
I boat on inland lakes in New Hampshire and Maine, hence the open bow. It does get quite rough however with lots of wind blown chop so I wanted something that doesn't pound in the waves. Just got to get rid of the foot and a half of ice!

Thats going to be awesome.

Im guessing low 80's rig- maybe a MPH or 2 more with an exotic prop.

All our big desert lakes out here Mead, Powell, Mojave, Havasu- all "blow out" pretty bad in the afternoon and the 2750 slices through that crap like butter.

I wish I had an SCX. I'd feel more confident about long ocean runs.



UD

Im guessing low 80's rig- maybe a MPH or 2 more with an exotic prop.

Pretty much what Quent told me it did. 28P B1 Labbed by Bret Anderson on it now. Low 80's will do for an open bow (at least until I really get to know the boat). Quent proudly showed me the recall on the GPS Speedo which registered 102 MPH! Obviously fdrom the monster motor.
Thnik I'll leave that for some fun.....


I wish I had an SCX. I'd feel more confident about long ocean runs.

I hear ya, had my share of the Bravo Blues. Never had Imco so I'm hoping for some life combined with the N/A vs Blower motor.
Also figuring Quent has the X set for speed so hoping it comes on plane easily enough. Can always throw in a spacer if needed.
Pet peeve for me because my old twin step Cig was terrible coming on plane and I hated it.

Paul



UD[/QUOTE]

Hola Dave,

"The early bottom design was built to work well with 500HP and are set up for that HP- the later ones with what lavey calls the "full bottom its very easy to drive and very stable at speed where the earlier bottom was a bit skittish (easily fixed however if you get an early one) "

Are you saying that the 29 has had a bottom change? I thought the 2750 was the only bottom change.. in 2007. Never heard that the 29 was reworked...if it was, what year was it done?

Thanks,

Chris

I believe you are right Schweeng - I should have been speaking of the 2750 only.

(I miss Jr's gentle corrective hand)

UD

Im my hurry to talk about boats (for eht first time in eons) I mixed my models!
I always did enjoy the power of a good team approach to a conversation anyway.

I did take a few shots last weekend I didn't post,

Worth a look- see-

http://i.imgur.com/MXlQltz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/L449Ux4.jpg

UD

Tight!!!!!

nice and clean :)

I though for a one off it was pretty tight.

Ive only got an 8" map (but I have actual radar) but I have map envy now......



UD

[QUOTE=GoodTrade 2750;4087862]UD-
I did buy Quent's boat and am so excited about it!

Congrats Paul, UD is right, Quent's boat was really the crown jewel for the 2750s.

700-800 hp in salt water with the weight additions you described I would say 82-83mph. Best my 29 did with a stock 525 was 79 and 76 was the norm. I never ran mine in salt, so you might pick up a little there too. It's an "awesome" family boat, the only thing that they didn't like was the swim ladder. Good luck!

[QUOTE=bert4332;4089308]Thanks Bert!
Been a long winter up here and I have been looking forward to breaking her out of storage to start tinkering.
Having a few posts on the Lavey forum recently is sure nice to see!
-Paul

Funny how the N Eastern has the westcoast boat as most up there will not even know what the heck a Lavey is. Anyways I'm from up there and really miss the lakes compare the crap holes and the dried up crap hole lakes around here. Lake Winney in NH is a cool place. New York has some great lakes also. Sonic and Pantera are somewhat popular up there.

I will say this take a 2004 Pantera 28 with the same motor as the Lavey 29. The Lavey will eat its lunch all day long plus the Lavey is a better quality built boat. I can not speak for the current builds of Pantera because I have not seen anything newer than 2005. The ladders do stink on the Lavey's also especially if your tall.

Awesome thread so far!

I haven't been on the boards very much lately because I've been very busy getting back into the swing of things over here in Japan.
Last month I spent 3 weeks back at home and visited Lavey almost everyday. Me and my dad (Chris) had a lot of talks and I fed him quite a few new ideas and layouts for the 2 EVO's being built along with other upcoming production.

The 28 evo in production right now is going to be amazing! Stay tuned for the next 28 evo because it will have quite a few new design aspects to it... I don't wanna spoil anything.
As previously stated, ALL of the evo's will be located in Germany once these 2 are finished. To my knowlege, this will make a total of 7 or 8 Lavey's over in Germany!

About the 2750 vs 29 question. Eventhough they are only 2 feet different in length, they are pretty different in overall size and handling.
The 2750 is a fast boat, but at higher speeds (90mph+) it takes a bit more driving than the 29. They both handle the choppy/rough water great! But due to the bigger all around size and a little more weight, the 29 will naturally be smoother but not as fast as the 2750. Either boat is a great all around choice and it will all come down to personal needs and preferences.

To answer the question about "full" bottom vs the "new" bottom... The bottom is esentially the same bottom but a couple strakes were removed along with the lip strakes. When some see the word "new" it makes you think it's a completely different bottom but in reality is only slightly modified.
As to which models recieved this change... ALL new 2750 bottoms have this change, including the 28 evo. The 29 and 32 will have this change but none have been build since Lavey made this mod. The 39 evo is a newer design of the NuEra bottom so no changes were needed for this bottom.

Great so if I order a new 29 it will have the modified fix :)

A couple years ago I remember a 29 with a Teague 900 that ran low 90s, also a 29 with an Eickert 850 that was set up perfect and ran 95. 700-800 hp should put you into the low to mid 80s. I would like a 29 with a 1025 Teague and SCX drive, pretty bullet proof package that would hit 100. Hope you get to build one, I'll be looking forward to that thread!

I would love a 29 that could run a 100 mph also but I think it would not be cost efficient , I boat mostly ocean and I couldn't run that speed if I wanted to , just not flat enough water , most of the time running offshore it will be 2 to 4 foot ocean wave's , there will be that 1 day in the mid summer where the ocean will be flat but that doesn't happen to often . I need the boat to run a minimum of let's say 80 mph so I can cruise @ 60 mph without killing the motor , around 4000 rpm cruise speed is the max I would want to stay at for and hour at a time for motor longevity and fuel consumption .

mike

There was a Teague 1000 29 prowling out there as well. That guy walked all over everything and everybody I saw.

The Eickert would have been ideal if it wasn't for the old school roots blower, but i guess Eickert is one of the few that can really tune a rig like that.

UD

Not to be Debbie Downer but how fast can you get a (modern hi tech) single before it gets sketchy? Sort of back to the beginning of this thread and "why" they dont use the Indy with surface piercing props...

Just curious because it interesting.

It is interesting. Too many variables to call out a number - any boat can be unsafe at reasonable speeds depending on water conditions.

One problem being separation of the drivers skill from the boats capability.

We've seen a number of fast V's upside down- an orange Ol SV29 being one of them.

Even "safe" big twin engine rigs can get out of hand in a hurry at speed witness the Fountain 38 driver with a boat full of people that "ran out of talent" and spun out injuring his passengers. (none wearing any safety gear) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQpq1_pfIgk
(Driver supposedly had decades of experience although you sure can't tell by his throttling)

Don Roc was killed in a 29 foot blown Kryptonite a few years ago.

Even supposedly safe cats can still "bite" case in point Steve Tripps unfortunate death.

Lest anyone claim Im just pointing out other peoples bands as fallible - we had a death in the Lavey family years ago when Roger Dunworth was killed in his Sebring tunnel outboard racing Bob Endress from B&M in a 24 Stolarz cat.

All to say - high speeds in boats is a dangerous game at best.

Respect the beasts and the environment or you will be bitten.

Uncle Dave

A 29 with a stock 525 will cruise at 60 all day long. But reaching the 80mph requirement will take bigger power.

what RPM where you cruising @ 60 mph ?

Thank's
mike

I "think" it was right around 4k. I believe it taps at 5200 so I think that is about right. Another thing, I was "shocked" at how well the 525 sipped the gas while cruising. I thought for sure it would guzzle it down, but it didn't which was a real nice surprise.

That was precisely the reason for my question. How far can you get with a clever on a single? From the description, it sounds like it happens fast, too fast to respond to.

Thank you

The 29 with Teauge 900 you speak of actually had a Teauge 825 in it and was also a MCOB. Lavey has built one 29 MCOB that was loaded with options running a single Merc 600 that tops 80mph. So my guess is that 700-800hp will put you at a solid mid 80's and with 1000hp it should top 100mph no problem.

I dont follow all the cat builds but I know the NSX 700 combo is pretty fast as well.

The only other single V setup I really know about is the OL 29 with the Indy here on OSO. There may be others.

Getting it set up was quite the project lots of it undertaken on the clients time, and we still don't have any real "turning data.".
The owner is a serious motorsport guy and likely has a good feel for the rig.

The race boat guys weren't afraid to turn their boat harder and harder until it spun-and deemed the setup at least one the EVO bottom not worth the the expense and effort to use.
I doubt a pleasure boat owner is going to test like that.

When it was all said and done he claims to be running 97 with an Indy and an Ilmor 725. That's for sure a fast boat, but the owner paid to thin out the skeg and put lots of time and effort into that so that setup isnt "stock itself" The end speed is not particularly impressive when you consider...The Merc 600 "stock" ran (I think) 101 with a bravo 1 on that same boat. I say "stock" because although everyone swears no on touched the engine -subsequent builds don't seem to be as fast per hp.

A 28 EVO goes 100 or a bit better with a 710 and a "regular" drive Bravo 1.

If you can get the same or better speed with a stout standard drive like an SCX and not have any turning issues you can save the the money for a surface piercing drive $$$$ and then the expense of 2-3000 per CNC milled prop- which would you choose?

Uncle Dave

Its coming along and looking great.

I like that you can remove the wheel and plug the opening.

Apparently in this scenario only one wheel turns so the co pilot can hold the wheel still until he/ she provides input.




Uncle Dave

http://i.imgur.com/eAtasxX.jpg

Show me the money....

http://i.imgur.com/qjwasRx.jpg

UD

Nice twist :)

We were joking that if the guy was really a baller these would be hundreds.
That said this is a reply cool idea and it going to look awesome.

UD

The new build, the way its being done and export to Europe = Baller... very nice.

She hits the water tomorrow for initial testing. Pics will be posted as soon as I get them!

Here are some update pics I got before it heads out for testing!

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...psd0b91158.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps9237ce5d.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps2461aa04.jpg

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps04549716.jpg

That boat look's SWEEEEEET :)

does the boat have foot angle stop's for driver and passenger to brace there feet on when running ? hard to tell from pic's