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stype 01-31-2011 12:57 PM

snow and ice lake ozarks
 
Just wanted to let everyone know at the lake of the ozarks the weather service is call for 1/2" of ice and 10"-15" of snow over the next 48 hours.
We do snow removal on docks and dock roofs.
Who better to clean your dock roof than a metal roofing contractor.
I do not want to see any boats or docks going under.
Call Don at Herzing Roofing LLC 24 hour number 573-893-7524

Knot 4 Me 01-31-2011 01:08 PM

Hope we do not see a repeat of a few years ago. Man, it was ugly down there with all the destroyed docks.

32Envision 01-31-2011 03:11 PM

stype what is your average charge for a 50' by 30' total roof dock??

In2Deep 01-31-2011 05:25 PM

Interested in that answer

314joey 02-01-2011 09:17 AM

Started around 5-5:30am this morning and we've got about 5-6 inches already and it just started, it's going to interesting today.

shinglman 02-01-2011 10:21 AM

Not very happy. I have to get my 382 out so I can get it home to do all my upgrades. Looks like it might be a few weeks.

shinglman 02-01-2011 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by stype (Post 3312119)
Just wanted to let everyone know at the lake of the ozarks the weather service is call for 1/2" of ice and 10"-15" of snow over the next 48 hours.
We do snow removal on docks and dock roofs.
Who better to clean your dock roof than a metal roofing contractor.
I do not want to see any boats or docks going under.
Call Don at Herzing Roofing LLC 24 hour number 573-893-7524

Well Stype, you have more balz than me. I own Shingle Specialists LLC. I will not let any of my guys up on any roof in these kind of conditions. Hope you have good insurance. Best of luck to you. I will say if it comes to our docks getting overloaded with ice and snow I will give you a call.

Fountain Family 02-01-2011 10:54 AM

It looks like it is so cold there that the bird is frozen to the tree stump in picture #1 and 2. :lolhit:

Keytime 02-01-2011 11:23 AM

Keep us posted, Joey. And if I give you an address, would you go throw some more ice on our dock roof? It's time to upgrade. :lolhit:

314joey 02-01-2011 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Fountain Family (Post 3312955)
It looks like it is so cold there that the bird is frozen to the tree stump in picture #1 and 2. :lolhit:

I'll betcha it'll still be frozen there all Summer, dern bird.

Getting worse, there's rumor that Walmart in town has closed.

WTF is going on, where's Al Gore.

08 fastech 292 02-01-2011 11:42 AM

I hope it thaws out buy the time I get there in July.

jayboat 02-01-2011 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 3312126)
Hope we do not see a repeat of a few years ago. Man, it was ugly down there with all the destroyed docks.

No chit.
I remember those pix here and there was a whole lot of very ugly going on. :eek:

Good luck this week to everyone dealing with this. :crazy:

omerta one 02-01-2011 07:05 PM

Hey we're havin' the time of our lives up here shoveling this crap...spent 6 hours at it today and now it looks like another pristine 6+ on the driveway. Dock is buried; plows stopped plowing; time to open another bottle of wine and hope the dock doesn't collapse overnight.

Mentalpause 02-01-2011 10:16 PM

First time I've experienced Thunder Snow - it is 17 degrees, snowing like crazy, winds up to 60mph and lightening out.

omerta one 02-02-2011 09:55 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Some docks are barely hanging on...

Mentalpause 02-02-2011 11:02 AM

Starting to look like a couple years ago.

Perlmudder 02-02-2011 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3313922)
Some docks are barely hanging on...

This might be a stupid question but here goes...

Living in Toronto, we get snow all the time. People put their boats into storage come mid October until April or so. Is snow uncommon at LOTO, and most people use their boats all winter? Just curious, seems like it would be easier to throw it on the trailer in the drive way and not have to worry about it all winter, and just put it in the water those couple times you want to use it...

bajaholic 02-02-2011 11:48 AM

This was a 100 year storm... Rarely does the lake ice over and we were told it barely ever snows. (we have found this to be total BS though in the last couple of years)

We store our boat inside, but most of our neighbors leave them on the lift all year long.

Griff 02-02-2011 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Perlmudder (Post 3314015)
This might be a stupid question but here goes...

Living in Toronto, we get snow all the time. People put their boats into storage come mid October until April or so. Is snow uncommon at LOTO, and most people use their boats all winter? Just curious, seems like it would be easier to throw it on the trailer in the drive way and not have to worry about it all winter, and just put it in the water those couple times you want to use it...

A lot of people with boats at LOTO do not even own trucks or trailers and the boats stay on the lift year round.
Very few people actually boat over the winter months and the boats are all winterized on the lifts.

JMS322 02-02-2011 12:03 PM

A lot of people at LOTO don't own trailers. My boat is winterized sitting on the lift in my slip. Fortunately, I just checked with our condo complex manager and ALL the docks at our complex are sitting good, all floating just fine. Last time this happened in 06, our complex was all over the storm and got the dock roofs shoveled to prevent any damage to the docks. Brian, feel free to run over and check on the PP if you want.

314joey 02-02-2011 01:05 PM

That's me, don't own a trailer and don't want to, most people who boat mostly at LOTO or keep their boats here all the time don't have trailers and the boats do just fine on the dock lifts.

My boat has been on my lift for 8 years and it works out great.

08 fastech 292 02-02-2011 01:30 PM

Screw the groundhog!

jayboat 02-02-2011 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3313922)
Some docks are barely hanging on...

:hitfan:

Oh, man... that would make me nervous.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/243411/MID-WEST-SNOWSTORM.jpg

bobonthis 02-02-2011 01:38 PM

If they put all the boats in storage that are at LOTO then there would be no room left in the town. It would be a town of pole barns!lol

When I lived at loto I didnt see snow. Here is something that I cant believe nobody has thought of though. Why not mount a heater or two up near the tops of the docks? I mean especiallly the resorts!? We can put fans..tvs..etc..why not a heater or thermal heat? It would only have to be used I am guessing once or twice a year at most but could save you thousands. It could easily be done.. I used to do electric there and wired up lands end and the boat docks. It wouldnt be very hard.

http://www.warmzone.com/roof-ice-dam.asp

bajaholic 02-02-2011 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by JMS322 (Post 3314044)
Brian, feel free to run over and check on the PP if you want.

From what I can see out the windows (our street is not plowed out yet), all the docks look fine. It appears the only areas (docks) that are having issues are in the protected coves.

The wind was blowing HARD from west to the east, so to me it appears structures in the path, kept clear.

BTW, would he happy to stop by!

THEJOKER 02-02-2011 03:31 PM

I'm just the opposite...I've always had a dually and my own trailer. Different strokes for different folks. My boat sits in a heated storage unit.

redbud35 02-02-2011 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by bobonthis (Post 3314126)
If they put all the boats in storage that are at LOTO then there would be no room left in the town. It would be a town of pole barns!lol

When I lived at loto I didnt see snow. Here is something that I cant believe nobody has thought of though. Why not mount a heater or two up near the tops of the docks? I mean especiallly the resorts!? We can put fans..tvs..etc..why not a heater or thermal heat? It would only have to be used I am guessing once or twice a year at most but could save you thousands. It could easily be done.. I used to do electric there and wired up lands end and the boat docks. It wouldnt be very hard.

http://www.warmzone.com/roof-ice-dam.asp

Question-
Why did you use a 20amp breaker to be shared by two slips. We can't raise two lifts at the same time if they are on the same circuit.

bobonthis 02-02-2011 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 3314246)
Question-
Why did you use a 20amp breaker to be shared by two slips. We can't raise two lifts at the same time if they are on the same circuit.

I didnt lay out the circuits..just followed what the contractor wanted. Its been so long 5 years maybe? since I did them. I thought they were all dedicated circuits? What may have happened was there are two home runs going to the same breaker? I would check that first at the panel.. I am thinking they crammed for room in those panels and were suppose to have piggyback breakers in there? Like I said its been so long..I would just make sure they dont have two circuits goign to one breaker..

bobonthis 02-02-2011 03:54 PM

Oh I also only did the 1st phase of the project so dont know what happened after that?

JMS322 02-02-2011 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 3314220)
From what I can see out the windows (our street is not plowed out yet), all the docks look fine. It appears the only areas (docks) that are having issues are in the protected coves.

The wind was blowing HARD from west to the east, so to me it appears structures in the path, kept clear.

BTW, would he happy to stop by!

Bud has assured me that the Indian Pointe complex is in good shape. I have talked to him twice today and he says I have have nothing to worry about.

omerta one 02-02-2011 04:42 PM

Watch this to the end!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVuIU...layer_embedded

Keytime 02-02-2011 04:52 PM

Whew! I just checked on the google maps satellite image and our dock looks fine.

:party-smiley-004:

Perlmudder 02-02-2011 05:09 PM

Do most people run bubblers under the docks and lifts there? What is the usual winter temps in LOTO?

314joey 02-02-2011 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Perlmudder (Post 3314348)
Do most people run bubblers under the docks and lifts there? What is the usual winter temps in LOTO?

No, unfortunately they don't, I wish they did.
In temps like this, mine runs 16 out of the 24 hours a day, two hours on and one off to keep my dock and hoist clear.

It would be much easier on my stuff if both cheaper F...ers on either side of me would have one, but they're tight A$$E$.

I think right now the water is around mid to upper 30s, that's friggin' cold.

omerta one 02-02-2011 10:48 PM

I was out fishing Sat and Sun and the water temp was 34.4-34.7. I'd expect the lake to re-freeze with these subzero temps tonight.

On the de-icers, I have thermostat that has both a water and air sensor; when both are in the zone the de-icers kick on. It's on it's 6th winter and works perfectly.

Here is a video of a collapsed dock in Porto Cima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mLSx...ayer_embedded#

baywatch 02-03-2011 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3314709)
I was out fishing Sat and Sun and the water temp was 34.4-34.7. I'd expect the lake to re-freeze with these subzero temps tonight.

On the de-icers, I have thermostat that has both a water and air sensor; when both are in the zone the de-icers kick on. It's on it's 6th winter and works perfectly.

Here is a video of a collapsed dock in Porto Cima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mLSx...ayer_embedded#

Hey Tom,

Is there a correlation between the number of boats in the slips and how the docks fair?

Seems like most damage is normally to larger community style docks that have several of the slips with boats left in them. Likewise, those docks with fewer boats in the slips seem to be floating higher and fairing better. I would think that an empty slip with a lift in the raised position would add buoyancy but I'm no expert.

I am just glad they shoveled our docks off in time and that my boat is inside.

I told my wife last night that we are buying a couple snowmobiles before next winter. I guess Al gore was wrong after all LOL..

Knot 4 Me 02-03-2011 09:00 AM

The docks that didn't fair well a few years ago were not properly cross-braced.

314joey 02-03-2011 09:09 AM

I know nobody wants to deal with the Bullcrap of having dock/boat problems and I pay a lot of money for insurance for my dock and boat, geez isn't that why you've got it.

I slept really well the other night when it was snowing, if there's a problem with either of them I'll get it fixed or buy another one, life's too short to worry about this stuff all the time.

JMO

shinglman 02-03-2011 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by bobonthis (Post 3314126)
If they put all the boats in storage that are at LOTO then there would be no room left in the town. It would be a town of pole barns!lol

When I lived at loto I didnt see snow. Here is something that I cant believe nobody has thought of though. Why not mount a heater or two up near the tops of the docks? I mean especiallly the resorts!? We can put fans..tvs..etc..why not a heater or thermal heat? It would only have to be used I am guessing once or twice a year at most but could save you thousands. It could easily be done.. I used to do electric there and wired up lands end and the boat docks. It wouldnt be very hard.

http://www.warmzone.com/roof-ice-dam.asp

This is a very unaffordable system. For the 2 systems that are available one is a heating element that mounts to the underside of the panel which costs $25.00 per' and then you have to build a box around it to insulate it so the heats is not lost. The other system is a cable that runs every 18" to 24" on top of the roof and costs $5.00 per'. This price does not include labor for the install and labor to the electrician to wire it into the box. They are both low volt systems which use little electric but would cost tens of thousands to install.

I have researched products and tried to find an affordable solution but yet to find one. Once I do everyone will know it and I will be happy to install it for them. I own a construction company in St. Louis and have done many projects at the lake, I also own a condo on the lake and have worried about this problem for awhile. If there is an affordable product out there I will find it.

bobonthis 02-03-2011 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by shinglman (Post 3315083)
This is a very unaffordable system. For the 2 systems that are available one is a heating element that mounts to the underside of the panel which costs $25.00 per' and then you have to build a box around it to insulate it so the heats is not lost. The other system is a cable that runs every 18" to 24" on top of the roof and costs $5.00 per'. This price does not include labor for the install and labor to the electrician to wire it into the box. They are both low volt systems which use little electric but would cost tens of thousands to install.

I have researched products and tried to find an affordable solution but yet to find one. Once I do everyone will know it and I will be happy to install it for them. I own a construction company in St. Louis and have done many projects at the lake, I also own a condo on the lake and have worried about this problem for awhile. If there is an affordable product out there I will find it.

Good to know. I am sure its unaffordable for most. I was thinking more of the resorts and dock rental places. Couldnt imagine what they pay out or what mess they get in when docks sink and boats get damaged or go under. If you ever figure something out and need a worker at LOTO..let me know! I would do anything to live back at the lake!


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