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Knot 4 Me 11-27-2023 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4885773)
I had an offer to rent for a few months at $1500/month (I`m asking $2000)
I`m not sure a multi month renter is worth it .. who knows what the place might look like in a 4 months vs. short term rental and regular cleanings.

More and more long term offseason rentals occurring. We got bumped out of our normal unit at Land's End for Thanksgiving as it got rented long term over the winter. Luckily the gal we've worked with for years has multiple units and was able to get us moved into our second favorite unit. The newest brewery and winery to open down there were both doing strong business on Friday and Saturday.

bblythe 12-26-2023 04:03 PM

I would entrain the idea of a long term till may At a monthly rate
https://www.vrbo.com/3756707?dateless=true

Griff 02-08-2024 12:31 AM

We closed on the second condo at the end of January.
Heading down tomorrow with a truck full of tools and will be gutting it to the drywall.

ICDEDPPL 02-16-2024 09:11 PM

Another special assesment coming ... this time not for the roof but insurance.
Last year it was $89k for insurance .
This year $416k

What in the actual F

Griff 02-17-2024 12:47 AM

How many units at Emerald Bay?? 89k seems cheap. Ours was around 75k for 230 units, but 90% are only 420sq ft. We had to spend about 30k of rooftop fire block walls and eliminate all gas ands open flame grills to get our ins co to continue coverage. Ins has been out of control and I have seen other info on FB about premiums tripling and getting hit with special assesments

bajaholic 02-17-2024 07:28 AM

Insurance rates appear to be doubling/tripling for ALL condos from what I have heard. Worst part is, look at how the deductible works. My understanding is they base it on the whole project not individual buildings, and it is +/- 5% so.... unless you have a catastrophic loss, they will never have to pay out on the insurance policy. Just another way of "Bidens America" hidden in the fine print!

ICDEDPPL 02-19-2024 04:41 PM

Griff was right , one special assesment after another sinice I bought this place. I get bent over , no lube.

Griff 02-20-2024 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4891034)
Another special assesment coming ... this time not for the roof but insurance.
Last year it was $89k for insurance .
This year $416k

What in the actual F

From what I read on FB, Water's Edge Condos got hit about the same for Insurance.

Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4891255)
Griff was right , one special assesment after another sinice I bought this place. I get bent over , no lube.

For your sake, I wish I was wrong.

Tiki Joe 02-20-2024 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 4884010)
One has to look at the HOA annual minutes and accts prior to purchasing. It is call due diligence. There are MANY associations that are ran well, and unfortunately a number that are not.

I would like to see what your friend really had to deal with, my guess being called new was subjective rather than actual. Granted bad lumber will rot faster, If they didn't maintain anything that too will always lead to issues at a faster pace. but it still would take a number of years before it is an issue.

Now all that being said.... There was a complex that had REAL legal issues due to decks being under engineered and it took a number of law suits to get those resolved but EVERYONE knew about it if they did just a single google search.

Again..... Make sure you look at the HOA history (I always recommend at least last 3 years) prior to purchasing, and then once you own there show up for the meetings at the VERY least the annual meeting when all the big items are voted on and there will not be any surprises.

I didn't reply back then as I didn't want to derail the thread...however since Dan is getting bent over with more assessments, I'll clarify. Friend's condo was a brand new never lived in unit. Monarch Cove at the 1mm. Decks needed replaced in several buildings; huge dock repairs and waste treatment plant repair for $24,000 total! I had a condo at the 3mm and really didn't have any problems with assessments myself but will never own a condo again... mainley due to HOA fees and all the drama / politics in condo complexes.
Most of these condos have $400+ HOA/month....I can buy a lot of exterior maintenance for less than $4800/year!

ICDEDPPL 02-26-2024 10:58 PM

More fun news.
Guests can`t use the slip, only owners are allowed on the docks.
I have friends that rent in the complex and they say only one or 2 people/year ask about a slip . I thought it would be much higher . Owners at the ledges are always renting slips .. maybe it`s the location.
Hopefully there isnt some Karen around that has nothing better to do but watch who comes and goes because I don`t plan on following that rule. My friends that will use it have boats ..
maybe a house would have been a better choice but at my budget it would be a dump and Ive rehabbed too many , I`m over that, plus doing outside maintenance when I visit is not something I want to do .
My dad had a place up in the UP and he spent most of the weekend working on the place rather than enjoying it.



Knot 4 Me 02-27-2024 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4891833)
More fun news.
Guests can`t use the slip, only owners are allowed on the docks.
.

WTAF? I've never ran into that down there at any complex I've stayed at. I wouldn't worry about. Meanwhile, Jim Billy and Joe Bob fisherman have been fishing off your dock all winter.

bajaholic 02-27-2024 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4891833)
More fun news.
Guests can`t use the slip, only owners are allowed on the docks.
I have friends that rent in the complex and they say only one or 2 people/year ask about a slip . I thought it would be much higher . Owners at the ledges are always renting slips .. maybe it`s the location.
Hopefully there isnt some Karen around that has nothing better to do but watch who comes and goes because I don`t plan on following that rule. My friends that will use it have boats ..
maybe a house would have been a better choice but at my budget it would be a dump and Ive rehabbed too many , I`m over that, plus doing outside maintenance when I visit is not something I want to do .
My dad had a place up in the UP and he spent most of the weekend working on the place rather than enjoying it.

Quick question? Did you get a copy of the Covenants and Restrictions, Condo rules before or after you closed? If so, read through them. The rental restrictions would be addressed. If it isn't in there, it doesn't exist. My guess, the restriction you are mentioning may be because a 3rd party user may have been out of line and causing issues. Thus a single implemented rule (Which is more presentation than enforcement)

Just remember: YOU are responsible to the owners, not a renter. What ever they do, can and will effect your ownership. aka: Vet your renters!!!!

ICDEDPPL 02-28-2024 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 4891856)
Quick question? Did you get a copy of the Covenants and Restrictions, Condo rules before or after you closed? If so, read through them. The rental restrictions would be addressed. If it isn't in there, it doesn't exist. My guess, the restriction you are mentioning may be because a 3rd party user may have been out of line and causing issues. Thus a single implemented rule (Which is more presentation than enforcement)

Just remember: YOU are responsible to the owners, not a renter. What ever they do, can and will effect your ownership. aka: Vet your renters!!!!

I read and re read all the rules before and after closing , I would have noticed that rule .. I`ll check again.

F-2 Speedy 02-28-2024 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4891980)
I read and re read all the rules before and after closing , I would have noticed that rule .. I`ll check again.

guess I cant park in your slip.......silly stupid rules

ICDEDPPL 03-01-2024 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4891983)
guess I cant park in your slip.......silly stupid rules

We can do whatever we want until someone says otherwise.

I read the rules and regulations/bylaws and did not see that wording anywhere ..

tommymonza 03-01-2024 02:57 PM

Our Hoa fees have doubled in the last year on our old 3 story condo down here in Florida,half of it being insurance but increase in lawn, pool, general maintenance and escrow were the other half . Hey Man its Bidennomics. Car insurance all went up 30% boat insurance went down $1200 so it was a win .

315duramax 03-03-2024 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 4880267)
That is an not true.... First, we still have very low inventory. So homes yes, are slower than 2 years ago, but most are still selling under 2 weeks. If they are not selling, there is a reason, most likely the property has issues ie: HOA in condo's or house passing inspection. (Or of course it is WAY over priced for the comps.)

When it comes to prices , there was HUGE markups on houses, like stated 2-3 times what they were a few years ago, so there has been some market adjustments, but they are not losing any money, just making less.

We are still without a doubt one of the least expensive places in the country for waterfront real-estate. The other thing you must look at is the taxes. LOTO is cheap!

The biggest competition for banks and mortgage companies is still the cash buyer... People are selling their homes in other cities and states and moving here full time. I will agree we are not the same seasonal place it used to be, it is now busy March to November. But for those of us living there that means more choices for restaurants, businesses etc coming in the future. Look at what is going on right now, MAJOR expansion in the Camden County area, this will lead to more growth in OSB. Yet.... If you still want quiet, go to the upper numbers, you will still hear the Banjo's playing and real-estate is 1/10th the cost of the 0-35mm

Back in 2008-2015 we had VERY few sales and when everyone else was crashing, we just sat stagnant. Nothing really dropped in value, but nothing sold either. because so many places at that time were 2nd and 3rd homes, they rode out the storm.

You can wait, this during the down turn did as well and guess what, most ended up paying more anyway, so if you want it and can afford it, find what you like and get it, or start the building process to get exactly what you want. It isn't going to get cheaper... IMHO...

I think we know who the realtor is in the group 😂😂

dan, I agree; we’ve been watching. Might open a shop at the lake , fuk NY. Biz is great here , but loto would be a nice second location. Some of these places are out landish on pricing and if you look they are stalling. And taking big price hits.

Some of these comments on here are contradicting , as none of us really know. “Some of these houses are 2nd and 3rd homes. They can afford it”

but then, what about the people who bought for the air bnb… air bnb is so over saturated ; and with the BS fees. Ppl are opting for back to hotels again.. what happens to the owners of the homes , who bought the place to air bnb to cover their costs. When air bnb craze dies and ppl go back to hotels and everyone with a 4-5 bed lake house says jk can’t afford it anymore..

who knows. I agree though, weird times. Buying at the top, only to take a large hit. Could spell bad

Cash Bar 03-04-2024 03:28 PM

^^^^^ I talk to hotel companies regularly. They have all looked at the lake and passed due to rates vs VRBO options..

The Marriott at the Oasis park will be like Camden. A real draw, but not the norm for hotel traffic.

When you can stay in a nice condo or maybe a home for the same rate, that is what people do. Especially families.

That may change down the road, but that is a 4-5 year swing just to buy, plan and build a hotel. And you still need a good location. And that costs a lot of cash right now for them, too.

bajaholic 03-04-2024 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by 315duramax (Post 4892231)
I think we know who the realtor is in the group 😂😂

dan, I agree; we’ve been watching. Might open a shop at the lake , fuk NY. Biz is great here , but loto would be a nice second location. Some of these places are out landish on pricing and if you look they are stalling. And taking big price hits.

Some of these comments on here are contradicting , as none of us really know. “Some of these houses are 2nd and 3rd homes. They can afford it”

but then, what about the people who bought for the air bnb… air bnb is so over saturated ; and with the BS fees. Ppl are opting for back to hotels again.. what happens to the owners of the homes , who bought the place to air bnb to cover their costs. When air bnb craze dies and ppl go back to hotels and everyone with a 4-5 bed lake house says jk can’t afford it anymore..

who knows. I agree though, weird times. Buying at the top, only to take a large hit. Could spell bad

First of all, I AM NOT a realtor. I have owned at LOTO since 2002 and moved here in 2008. I do however have a off water subdivision we are building out and have sold numerous additional properties since we have owned here.

Next, before you start presenting "personal opinion" realestate values and inventory comments, I recommend you actually look at what is and has been going on. You are not accurate in your comments about the current LOTO market.

Fly out here, I will hook you up with a couple of realtors (I have used in past and trust) that do work the area and then you can make a decision of value of purchase.

If you think LOTO is overpriced, obviously you have not compared us to other places in the country that have similar amenities for water and entertainment. PLUS look at our realestate tax costs.

MOST important when looking at a condo is doing your homework (Any property really) but HOA's are the nemeses or positive of any complex.

LOTO basically has no real hotels to speak of, everything is condo based for rentals. If you work it correctly, you will be successful, you just have to run it as a business not a hobby. That being said, I would not be good at renting out anything I own, too many issues in my opinion.

ICDEDPPL 03-05-2024 11:41 PM

Plus you can own a supressor in MO.
#winning

Mentalpause 03-06-2024 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4892437)
Plus you can own a supressor in MO.
#winning

And no crazy FOID cards and other BS. :ernaehrung004:

ICDEDPPL 03-25-2024 11:34 AM

Last weekend we fixed up the dock, everyone elses is pretty boring so I hope the signs and lights aren`t against some association rules.



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Craney 03-25-2024 04:52 PM

I’m sure there’s some kind of rule that you’ve broken, some people wake up every morning looking for something to ***** about. Now you have a target on your back.It looks good with those lights.

1Zoom 03-26-2024 06:12 AM

Hey, how come Erika’s the only one ever working.

Wildman_grafix 03-26-2024 07:53 AM

I do not know if someone makes a floating lift of this style but you need one. Be the cool kid on the dock.


https://decoboatlift.com/boat-hoist-...klift-systems/

Griff 03-26-2024 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4893970)
I do not know if someone makes a floating lift of this style but you need one. Be the cool kid on the dock.


https://decoboatlift.com/boat-hoist-...klift-systems/

Lots of people build a "V" at the front of their slips. Some people with wider slips will have the lift companies build a walkway around the boat that is attached to the lift as well. Many people have platforms at the back of the lift so you clean the transom.

ICDEDPPL 03-26-2024 01:09 PM

^^^^ Griff, My neighbor has this and it`s pretty sweet set up.
Mike, I do the heavy lifting she does the little stuff:D

Wildman_grafix 03-26-2024 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4893998)
Lots of people build a "V" at the front of their slips. Some people with wider slips will have the lift companies build a walkway around the boat that is attached to the lift as well. Many people have platforms at the back of the lift so you clean the transom.

Yeah when I had a slip in the midwest we would back in and I had a big platform, you could change the drive fluid if you wanted. I just think those platform lifts look so cool,,,,, till you price one.

Quinlan 03-28-2024 06:08 AM

Yes, set it up to back in if possible. So much nicer and then like said- drive Maintenace is a breeze.

ICDEDPPL 04-30-2024 09:09 PM

I only have one reservation so far.. is this normal? Does it pick up as summer gets closer ?





Quinlan 05-01-2024 05:56 AM

Main question-- WIll Nortech fit in slip? Looks like you have plenty of room.
I had to widen mine for the Cobalt. 9.8" beam and 10' slip makes for a Tight Ho. lol
Widen slip- Oh by the way- GRDA said Must refloat dock with enclosed floats with improvements- $35K
Oh, and by the way Old lift now won't work- New Lift $36K

The things we do for our Boats :lolhit:

Knot 4 Me 05-01-2024 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4896992)
I only have one reservation so far.. is this normal? Does it pick up as summer gets closer ?

For the 5 seasons I rented at LOTO while having my boat slipped there, as soon as people opened up their yearly calendars to book (normally right after the first of the year) if we didn't get that year's condos booked right away we would have a hard time trying to get a place on the weekends/weeks we planned to be down there. We usually had something booked every other weekend and for a week around Memorial Day, 4th of July, Shootout, Labor Day. This was years 2019-2023. Most of our rentals were at Land's End with a sprinkling of other places around the lake based on what we were doing and availability (Red Head houses, Harbor Point, etc.). That was my experience.

ICDEDPPL 05-01-2024 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Quinlan (Post 4897010)
Main question-- WIll Nortech fit in slip? Looks like you have plenty of room.
I had to widen mine for the Cobalt. 9.8" beam and 10' slip makes for a Tight Ho. lol
Widen slip- Oh by the way- GRDA said Must refloat dock with enclosed floats with improvements- $35K
Oh, and by the way Old lift now won't work- New Lift $36K

The things we do for our Boats :lolhit:


Well it`s 10'.5" and my slip is 12' .. thats going to be tight!

Sydwayz 05-01-2024 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4897023)
Well it`s 10'.5" and my slip is 12' .. thats going to be tight!

Just come in hot and wet!


Knot 4 Me 05-02-2024 10:06 AM

I have a buddy closing on a unit at Topsider on the 17th. He plans to open it up on VRBO so I will ask him how quickly his calendar books up. Might be getting to a saturation point on rentals at the lake or it may just be it needs some time to be discovered or rediscovered if it was rented prior to you owning it and it was delisted during the sale process. I can also email the gal we rented from at Land's End who manages multiple units and ask if she's seeing a downturn in rentals or if it is as busy as ever for her.

underpsi68 05-02-2024 10:40 AM

Dan do you have a link to your rental? I was trying to talk my wife into checking out LOTO.

Griff 05-03-2024 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4897023)
Well it`s 10'.5" and my slip is 12' .. thats going to be tight!

Plenty of room

Cash Bar 05-03-2024 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4897111)
I have a buddy closing on a unit at Topsider on the 17th. He plans to open it up on VRBO so I will ask him how quickly his calendar books up. Might be getting to a saturation point on rentals at the lake or it may just be it needs some time to be discovered or rediscovered if it was rented prior to you owning it and it was delisted during the sale process. I can also email the gal we rented from at Land's End who manages multiple units and ask if she's seeing a downturn in rentals or if it is as busy as ever for her.

Did he get a slip with it? Most of those do not have slips or have small ones so far.

Knot 4 Me 05-03-2024 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Cash Bar (Post 4897200)
Did he get a slip with it? Most of those do not have slips or have small ones so far.

Yes. A 14' x 40'. His building is the newest one facing towards Dog Days and the slip is in the dock that will be off of the bridge side shoreline.

ICDEDPPL 05-05-2024 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4897112)
Dan do you have a link to your rental? I was trying to talk my wife into checking out LOTO.

Yes sir ..

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1025617...jdKFgQF2h%2Fm1


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