Question for the experts
 

Was having a drunken discussion this weekend about the speed at which and MTI would become airborn and flip.

i am assuming that that is primarily the reason for the high insurance. So if you can stay under that speed wouldnt your insurance be cheaper

So my question is what is the minimum speed you could be traveling to get the cat out of water, airborn, and over?????

100, 125, 150, what do you think??

some monday morning discussion -

thanks

Randy Wild

I would say wind and water conditions play as big or if not bigger role than speed... they aren't gonna blow over unless you stand it up, so unless there are conditions to make that happen, I don't think you are gonna get there on speed alone unless you get into the speeds that you are packing a tremendous amount of air and are running the boat extremely loose to get that speed (200+). Even then you need outside conditions to help "start" the blow over.

The only large cats you see go over are the UIM boats since they are setup for much faster sweeping corners (larger tunnels, more compression, more stern lift).

To answer your question though, I would guesstimate that you would be north of 140 or 150 and have to stand it up pretty tall (think perpendicular) to worry about going over directly backwards.

My buddy just bought a 44. It doesn't really even lift well untill 100 and so far has never even bobbled the frt end up. Since Geico seems to fly pretty flat at race speeds and has run 180 without incident I would suspect at least 140 mph and stupid rough conditions. Of course head winds would change it slightly but it seems like the MTI needs a lot more speed to get lift (as opposed to the 40 Skater we ran with this weekend).

Go up and over is a rare event and I am trying to think of even one time that has happened in a big cat in flat water. V-hulls and cats can trip/stuff or barrel roll in rough water. Watch the offshore races and see what accidents happen in condtions that pleasure boats are not subject to. Up and over is not a concern in a cat unless it is under 20' long. Outboard drag racers in 18' boats do it once in a while. I used to race the small outboards (18-20') and even then it is rare and always driver error trying to get a little more speed thinking the up button is faster.

it can happen, but probably not a real concern in a pleasure application... another good way is to take another boats rooster tail down the tunnel, that water doesn't compress so well... :D

houston, we have a problem...

Nice:cool:

it depends on if YOU are driving or not, randy!!!! hehe...:D

call and let me know how my props did on your boat.......

un f..... ing believable shots !:cool-smiley-011:

So why the high insurance if flipping and rolling are rare ocassions, and it seams that more step bottom Vs are spinning out then why are cats so expensive to insure

Just to sturr the pot a ( i have only driven a 39 MTI with 662s on LOTO with Woods) $500k 39 cig is alot more loose at 100mph than a $500k 39 mti at 115. so the cig is more dangerous but the insurance is triple on the cat. why

Didn't an MTI flip the weekend of the Don Aronow race/ Lamborghini boat on the other thread? What was the cause of that one?

I think the cat insurance is insane since you can go so much faster with the same HP as a Vee. 1075 cat will hit 150 whereas a 1075 Vee runs 120-125. More variables to get you in trouble with the cat as well.

the thread started off as what speed would a MTI flip over, not can you barrel roll a cat in the corner... but yes, cats roll in races quite often, a skater rolled yesterday in detroit. this is different than what was asked at the beginning of the thread.

randy has always been easily distracted... :ernaehrung004:

OH YEH thats right, threads always stay on track here in OSO land :drink::drink:

How is it going Randy. To try and answer you questions. For starters if you compare apples to apples, say a 42 GTX and 42 MTI both with 1075's and comparable hull values, I don't think that there will be as big of a difference as many think. The highend high performance V's are getting pretty expensive. Secondly, there are fewer Cat's paying insurance, so not as many to spread the risk over. Which brings up the final point in that it is almost unheard of for a cat to just blow over without outside forces. As in Sean's pictures, Most all of the blowovers are overseas racing and involve the roost of another boat.I think the insurance companies are looking at risk, and most cats are going to be traveling much faster which increases risk. JMHO.
I may be at LOTO this weekend if your going to be around.:ernaehrung004:

Thanks Mike, i will not be down this weekend but i will be down for a poker run next friday/sat if you want to wait a week :drink::drink:

Yeah, that happens to the best of us... :drink:

Wild... just buy an MTI..... You know you want one... :cool-smiley-027:


That 4 seater Bravo boat is sitting over by us at the old BTM store on Hwy 54.

How is the new bike?

Nice to know its not just me :drink:

I want one real friggin bad - im thinkin about the canopy speed racer

the bravo MTI at LOTO is a little rough in the finish, plus the bravos suck

The bike is getting more use that the boat these days, to much crap on the weekends but it looks like the end of july and all of august is open, so its time to burn fuel

Just dropped my 20 off at Heavy duty equipment across from you for some trailer repair.

Ill bring the bike by some day, do you work in the office.

Yep... I am second door on the left... with all the computers.:party-smiley-004:


We closed on the ground yesterday down off the runway. Hope to break ground in August.... :drink:

we closed this morning hope to be moved in my Feb 1

what were we talking about???? :ernaehrung004:

I ran (ha ha) with a new, yellow 39 MTI at LOTO last Wednesday late morning on the main channel as I was heading from the 14MM down to Captain Ron's for lunch. It was idling at about the 17MM and then once I got to around the 20MM it started doing circles around me up until about the 23 or 24MM. Beautiful boat.

If it was yellow with some blue, that was Little G, Randy's brother in law.

Had some other colors in it too. Mainly yellow with some blues and other colors in it I believe. Looked like it was out on a shake down run.

Flames on the side???

I can't say for sure. I was running so I didn't get a chance to check out the graphics/colors that close. I want to say no. mainly yellow with some other colors thrown in but I think in more fine lines than anything else. Boat was not running hard, just making big, looping circles on the main channel. I believe it is the same boat that Randy took Omerto One out in for a test drive. 850's in it I believe?

Sounds like G's boat, has 850's yellow with faint flames on the front with orange outline I think, and a blue pattern over the yellow on the back. He traded the old MOJO boat for this one. And they did have it out some time last week.
It was also at the Jacksonville poker run to Randy and G ran it, second boat to the first card stop.:ernaehrung004:

Was it this one?

That is G's, thanks for the pic.

saw hammertime geting on 270 from 44 this morning, are you going to chicago or LOTO

wed, someone took delivery of a new MTI and was taking Tres martins class, that was prob the reasons for the big circles

Chicago....:ernaehrung004:

Headed to chicago this weekend and going to try and make Loto new weekend.:ernaehrung004: What do you know about the poker run next week.

i know i want to ride with you, sounds like a good event - if you got room for two (me and my business partner steve) we will buy gas and drinks

http://www.pokerruntour.com/Thunder_at_the_Lake.htm


here is the link

Be careful what you offer!! It may be cheaper to buy an MTI than to buy drinks for Hammertime's crew!!:evilb:

4 seat bravo boat?


where?

at loto, with 575s listed $280 i think its an O4