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Originally Posted by CPPerformance
(Post 3785408)
Here's some answers from the product developer.
Latency better known as (signal delay) times are insignificant for either system compared to cylinder-cylinder timing jitter in a real functional engine. In regards to mounting of the ignition box With the exception of a few high powered electronic devices (Not ignition boxes) , everything we are aware of in this product demographic is surface mount. We have no comparison's to the HI-6 product since most of the original development team of the HI-6 was involved in the MAXVOLT development. Because of this they found it a mute point. There is not a knock sensor provision. Through hole does offer the benefit of being more secure, because the leads are placed through a hole, bent and soldered to a pad. However, SMT can be safely secured by quality, application specific potting material. Potting material serves not only securing SMT parts, but moisture protection. You mentioned jitter, accurate jitter is also a function of Hi-level Engineering that may not be available in a Analog design. Advanced latency can be found in a programmable intergraded circuit (PIC) that can be confusing and therefore, labeled jitter. Analog fires capacitors, while Digital fires timers. |
How about my question? Thanks
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Originally Posted by CcanDo
(Post 3786051)
Technically, IMHO, latency is more predictable when modern, quality surface mount technology (SMT) components are used. In part, quality control and SMT design has focused Engineering on SMT development to better satisfy packaging and deliverable circuit board costs. Therefore, the available SMT component options are capable of producing a better Golden Production Board. That is, subject to not using ROHS solder and flux. SMT is also thought to be predictable within a greater temp range.
Through hole does offer the benefit of being more secure, because the leads are placed through a hole, bent and soldered to a pad. However, SMT can be safely secured by quality, application specific potting material. Potting material serves not only securing SMT parts, but moisture protection. You mentioned jitter, accurate jitter is also a function of Hi-level Engineering that may not be available in a Analog design. Advanced latency can be found in a programmable intergraded circuit (PIC) that can be confusing and therefore, labeled jitter. Analog fires capacitors, while Digital fires timers. Technically, IMHO, latency is more predictable when modern, quality surface mount technology (SMT) components are used. Latency has nothing to do with surface mount. Period In part, quality control and SMT design has focused Engineering on SMT development to better satisfy packaging and deliverable circuit board costs. Therefore, the available SMT component options are capable of producing a better Golden Production Board. That is, subject to not using ROHS solder and flux. SMT is also thought to be predictable within a greater temp range. The term “Golden Board” is only used to refer to a single known good production item used as a reference for quality control and testing. Through hole does offer the benefit of being more secure, because the leads are placed through a hole, bent and soldered to a pad. However, SMT can be safely secured by quality, application specific potting material. Potting material serves not only securing SMT parts, but moisture protection. Actually securing large through hole components with potting material is much more important. You have it exactly 100% backwards. Heavy through parts need extra support, not the light weight, tiny surface mount parts. You mentioned jitter, accurate jitter is also a function of Hi-level Engineering that may not be available in a Analog design. Advanced latency can be found in a programmable intergraded circuit (PIC) that can be confusing and therefore, labeled jitter. Analog fires capacitors, while Digital fires timers. I’ve never seen the term ”advanced latency.” Also PIC is not an acronym, it is a prefix for Microchip microcontrollers, such as PIC16C71. We don’t use Microchip parts. |
Originally Posted by Panther
(Post 3784576)
how many degrees of advance curve is built into the box right now and at what RPM does it begin to increas and what RPM is full advance. Can an existing MSD billet distributor be used if the timing is locked out?
This info is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. So a locked out unit has no advance capability |
Originally Posted by CPPerformance
(Post 3789360)
OK so first let me preface this is NOT me speaking as I'm not the electrical engineer but as a courtesy I went to try and get your answers. SO DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER.
Technically, IMHO, latency is more predictable when modern, quality surface mount technology (SMT) components are used. Latency has nothing to do with surface mount. Period In part, quality control and SMT design has focused Engineering on SMT development to better satisfy packaging and deliverable circuit board costs. Therefore, the available SMT component options are capable of producing a better Golden Production Board. That is, subject to not using ROHS solder and flux. SMT is also thought to be predictable within a greater temp range. The term “Golden Board” is only used to refer to a single known good production item used as a reference for quality control and testing. Through hole does offer the benefit of being more secure, because the leads are placed through a hole, bent and soldered to a pad. However, SMT can be safely secured by quality, application specific potting material. Potting material serves not only securing SMT parts, but moisture protection. Actually securing large through hole components with potting material is much more important. You have it exactly 100% backwards. Heavy through parts need extra support, not the light weight, tiny surface mount parts. You mentioned jitter, accurate jitter is also a function of Hi-level Engineering that may not be available in a Analog design. Advanced latency can be found in a programmable intergraded circuit (PIC) that can be confusing and therefore, labeled jitter. Analog fires capacitors, while Digital fires timers. I’ve never seen the term ”advanced latency.” Also PIC is not an acronym, it is a prefix for Microchip microcontrollers, such as PIC16C71. We don’t use Microchip parts. |
Lots of information here about this ignition system, but is there anyone here actually using one that has an opinion?
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Originally Posted by Baja226sport
(Post 3797635)
Lots of information here about this ignition system, but is there anyone here actually using one that has an opinion?
The subject unit is thought to be the replacement for HI-6, but may have less features. Be it any electronic ignition system, ground is critical. A looped ground schematic is best. The electronic components will not tolerate voltage/current spikes. High frequency mechanical shock load can be mitigated by using rubber isolator stand off mounts.... 85* C is the top of the heat range. The unit appears to have heat sink protection, but subject to application, fans or other dissipation methods may be considered. |
Originally Posted by CcanDo
(Post 3801444)
We are using the HI-6 M coupled to the Anson knock sensor. The HI-6 M was built/labeled by Crane.
PM me if you could tell me more about this. |
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