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Indy 09-06-2012 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Zuckerman (Post 3770758)
Rough water ride quality and handling is as good as, or better than, any other sub 30' boat

I'm sorry, I can not agree with this statement in the least.

Papa D 09-06-2012 01:49 PM

The only time I feel beat up in my Heat is going slow in big chop. At speed I am VERY HAPPY with my Heat's ability to cut through (or should I say skip across the top) of chop. I average about 65mph from Long Beach to Catalina (26 miles each way) with no problem in the Pacific Ocean. My local lakes: Havasu, Mead, and Mohave are all easy in comparision.

Steve Zuckerman 09-06-2012 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 3770985)
I'm sorry, I can not agree with this statement in the least.

I am not surprised. You think steps are a conspiracy. :lolhit:
I have had numerous people (not my regular crew) who ride with me say "I can't believe how smooth this boat rides".
Our normal lake water isn't that rough, but Cumberland (big rocky highland type reservoir) and KY Lake (huge, relatively shallow lake) are. We've run numerous poker runs on both, and never get outrun by boats in our size class. 35's to 42's, yes we do, but that is not the point. A couple of years ago we found ourselves running in a rough water PR @ KY Lake with a friend who has a 30' Sonic with twin 500EFIs. One of those straight bottom deep vees you like that came out before the step conspiracy. It IS a good rough water boat, and has more horsepower than mine. We ran beside each other for a few miles, and then I eased into the throttle, we were able to outrun him (bigger/heavier/more HP) in irregular 2' to 4'ers generated by a storm.
Indy you secretly miss your Heat. That's cool. I would miss mine too if I sold it.
Regards,
Steve

Indy 09-06-2012 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Zuckerman (Post 3771061)
I am not surprised. You think steps are a conspiracy. :lolhit:
I have had numerous people (not my regular crew) who ride with me say "I can't believe how smooth this boat rides".
Our normal lake water isn't that rough, but Cumberland (big rocky highland type reservoir) and KY Lake (huge, relatively shallow lake) are. We've run numerous poker runs on both, and never get outrun by boats in our size class. 35's to 42's, yes we do, but that is not the point. A couple of years ago we found ourselves running in a rough water PR @ KY Lake with a friend who has a 30' Sonic with twin 500EFIs. One of those straight bottom deep vees you like that came out before the step conspiracy. It IS a good rough water boat, and has more horsepower than mine. We ran beside each other for a few miles, and then I eased into the throttle, we were able to outrun him (bigger/heavier/more HP) in irregular 2' to 4'ers generated by a storm.
Indy you secretly miss your Heat. That's cool. I would miss mine too if I sold it.
Regards,
Steve

Steve...the Heat was a nice boat, just not for my waters. Knowing what I know now I'd have purchased something else. It was fun for 3 years but enough was enough. I've been in other 28s that are much better riding. It's a really good lake boat and moderate chop boat, but that's it IMO.

But I'm glad you're happy with they way yours performs. And at this point, I miss my friggin sail boats or my old 12' Hardy Boys boat with the 35 Evinrude that started once in a while.

Steve Zuckerman 09-06-2012 05:05 PM

Indy,
If your regular water is any rougher than the 2 Cumberland pics I posted, I feel sorry for you. I have been on rougher salt water (I call it "Lake Lose Your Cookies"), in friend's boats, and fishing offshore in sport fishermen.
Mine has never been in salt water, and probably never will.
So what are the conditions that you normally ran in? Maybe I a missing something.............
Regards,
Steve

Indy 09-06-2012 06:56 PM

Steve...I didn't know those were rough pics...sorry I don't mean to be flippant either.

Long Island Sound is about 1300 square miles with plenty of fetch to have wind make a mess. Most of the time it's some of the best boating in the nation with points of interest everywhere and the waters are great. But it's ripped by 5'-7' tides twice a day which can make for some interesting boating if the chop is going in one direction and the ebb or flood tide is going in another. May/June 3's are typical with 4' holes not uncommon. July is a crapshoot, mostly good chop where throttling is necessary. August...your bathtub is probably rougher, the dog days are boring as heck because of the smooth water. September you get the snot back up. Not sure how to describe it, with the right tide and wind easy 4's with a short steep face and hard hitting, personally I don't bother with it, it's not the norm and not worth beating up my equipment over that. Yeah it gets bigger but what's the point? I just stay home but we're talking storms/gales/tropicals etc. Average chop I'd say 2's and 3's with some holes.


When I go out and see whitecaps I know it's gonna be some work out there. But that's what I like, smooth is boring to me. Don't get me wrong, this isn't the Perfect Storm here, there's more 12' Boston Whalers than fish up here but they also don't go 50j in that stuff. The 28 is a good size for the waters, the Pantera (which I don't like) was a much better ride and solid for sure, so were some of the Long Island boats I've been on and a few others. Way more solid and better riding. I wouldn't trade it for any other place in the country for boating.

An OSO friend of mine brought his Checkmate down here when he moved years ago, he boated on the finger lakes in NY where his boat was perfect but after one season it started to resemble the Keystone Cops with parts flying everywhere, he bought a PP the next year.

I'm not disparaging the Nordic, it has some fine qualities, but I wouldn't get it again if I wanted another 28. If I lived elsewhere I'd consider it because I think it's the best looking 28 out there and made well too.

Steve Zuckerman 09-06-2012 07:19 PM

Weeeellll, I don't think I would go boating in 5' to 7's unless I had a Coast Guard Cutter......Honestly, I don't want to be in anyone's sub 30' boat in those conditions.
Speaking of Panteras, a good friend of mine, and Nordic owner, Mayor McCheese, went for a ride in a 28' Pantera at the Emerald Coast Regatta/Poker Run a couple of years ago.
Expecting a glowing report from him on how it rode/handled/etc. in the salt, he said it was awful. He said it porpoised, it pounded, it chine walked, and wasn't that fast for the power (I think a blown 540) it had. He said it barely ran 80. He said "I almost kissed the beach when we got back".
I said well it must been really rough........he said it was, but not any worse than Lake Cumberland............
Regards,
Steve

Indy 09-06-2012 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Zuckerman (Post 3771258)
Weeeellll, I don't think I would go boating in 5' to 7's unless I had a Coast Guard Cutter......Honestly, I don't want to be in anyone's sub 30' boat in those conditions.
Speaking of Panteras, a good friend of mine, and Nordic owner, Mayor McCheese, went for a ride in a 28' Pantera at the Emerald Coast Regatta/Poker Run a couple of years ago.
Expecting a glowing report from him on how it rode/handled/etc. in the salt, he said it was awful. He said it porpoised, it pounded, it chine walked, and wasn't that fast for the power (I think a blown 540) it had. He said it barely ran 80. He said "I almost kissed the beach when we got back".
I said well it must been really rough........he said it was, but not any worse than Lake Cumberland............
Regards,
Steve

Like I said, I don't like Pantera's but they rode better and were more solid the times I was in them.

On the flip side, if you had my old 33 PowerPlay in Lake Cumberland you'd be throwing a fit and probably want it thrown in a chipper. Not the right boat for your waters, but it inspired confidence and handled what was thrown at it in mine. Not a single rattle anywhere and never a bone jarring hit no matter the conditions, predictable and solid which is what I was looking for after the Nordic. Not a speed burner by any means, I think my buddy's with 525s did 89 with stock 32s, hardly record breaking but not much could hang with it when it kicked up.

In the end we're comparing off-shore to lake equipment, not a rip on either one, but made for different environs.

Jay Gadsby 09-06-2012 07:37 PM

Well that was a fun read ;-) my normal lake is calm and happy with nothing crazy going on. Perfect boating for my wife and me. lake Travis, which is not very wide and points and is home to some 40plus cruisers who have nothing better to do that plow the waters for ya, well, too much for me. I am too short to sit and reach everything in the Nordic, so i stand, and too rough a water is killer on my arthritis.

Captain YARRR 09-07-2012 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Jay Gadsby (Post 3771271)
Well that was a fun read ;-) my normal lake is calm and happy with nothing crazy going on. Perfect boating for my wife and me. lake Travis, which is not very wide and points and is home to some 40plus cruisers who have nothing better to do that plow the waters for ya, well, too much for me. I am too short to sit and reach everything in the Nordic, so i stand, and too rough a water is killer on my arthritis.

C'mon, Belton is boring...my 22' Monterey handled it like a champ it's so smooth :)


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