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Anyone in for free raft -ups and fun runs in Nj,, we will be out at Tices Shoal this weekend and most others too, we are usually rafted up near the dock . I also believe we are in for a AC trip this weekend or a run up to the patio bar.

We are looking forward to another great weekend with ya. If the weather gets us the party is in Mantoloking, north or south of the bridge to be determined.

can you smell what the Rock is cooking !!

NJPP-FREE members

Joe Damiano 37' outerlimits
Bernie Neuhaus
Chris F./Dave A. 44 MTI

Ken Paddock 32 Skater
Rj Cafro Shadow
Tim Sharkey (matco guy) 29' Formula
Vic Perri Bayliner chic magnet
Chris K 38 Fountain

Brian Alohia TBD.

You can count on Chris K 38 fountain, Tom S 322 baja, lou A 35 fastech, and Ed S 35 fastech :drink:

was thinking BBPC Barnegat Bay Powerboat Club ?

Carmine -Outerlimits
Tommy "Horsepower" Safar - 36 Gladiator
Bryan Aloia- boat on the way

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I assume I can Doreen get as our free photographer

Wait , What is njpp free? Are you guy having a problem with njppc ? If so what's up ?

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Joe - I'll put up NJPPC's 13yrs of reputation up againt your childish rant anytime :evilb:

OK folks short version, I went to the event and did my job and went home tired and feeling good how I took at least 28 kids for rides, the next day a friend of mine gets a voicemail from Dave thanking me for my service at the 2010 event but scolded me for being a "Unprfessional Dickhead" to a volunteer,and that I was"BANNED" from this event forever, shocked that someone would leave this message on a friends phone instead of calling me(I have been a member on and off of NJPPC since 1999/2000 and my phone numbers I am sure are available)(incidently I have never had any issue with Dave or NJPPC before)anyways after this message Brian Meade an officer of the organization investigated the allegations and was declared UNFOUNDED,Brian apoligised for the whole incident and said that I was a 7 year volunteer for the organization without incident,and he was shocked how Dave P. has no authority in this matter yet made the phone call, he was I am sure told to apologise and wont.(sorry for the lousy spelling )By the way Dave you are a morgage broker and president of NJPPC ,I dont think you choose the right words when you called me an Unprofesional Dickhead pal,I dont care how many years you lead people around the bay.

No bearing on the event RAFT,its a mans integrity

Joe I can tell you your and the other boat volunteers work was not unoticed by the kids. I would greet them as they returned to give back their vests and I would ask, How was it? was it fun? did you go fast ect. The dominant one word response was AWESOME !!! Followed by a huge simle. You were part of a wounderful day .

Yes it was a wonderful day only to be spoiled by one person who refuses to do the right thing ,he has had 3 days now,even if he did it now it probably would not mean anything to me or my family.

I have known Joe for over 3 years,I first talked to him on the phone about a thread I posted looking for info..He spent almost two hours on the phone with me that night and he did not even know me.We ended up running together a lot and his house is always open to his friends he is the most laid back person I know and I have never seen him this fired up.
I did not go to Shore dreams this year so I know only what I have heard but everyone seems to be telling the same story.
A minor misunderstanding turned into this and that is unfortunate.
During the time I have know Joe I have never witnessed him operate his boat in a unsafe manner.And especially taking these kids for rides,which is a huge liability for boat owners can not believe that he would do anything which could jeopordize there safety.

Joe,

Unfortunately I wasn't able to witness whatever it is that you allegedly did or did not do, but if you have an issue with Dave or he with you that's fine. You are both grown adults no ?
Deal with it amongst each other.

With your quote from your FaceBook page, As an NJPPC Planning Committee member, I not sure what I ever did to you to be called "Slippery and Unprofessional " ??? :eek:

This seems to be a bit more than about Dave as you also seem to want to tarnish the reputation of the NJPPC as well with bringing out an issue that could have been dealt with differently by both you and Dave and now attaching the Shore Dreams For Kids Event to it and tarnishing that as well... :(

This is very disappointing to say the least...

Perhaps this long heat wave is just getting everyone on edge... ?

This sport is getting worse and worse by the day.

Racing organizations have fragmented across the globe.
The Speed Skiffs and Garvey Boat owners now fragmented recently leaving 10 boats to race on Sunday.

The message Forums have been fragmented with the start up of SO and pulling members from OffshroeOnly only to be taken for a ride and many came back here. (Which by the way, it is getting too time consuming for me to remove your Serious OS decal across you windscreen on all the images I shoot of your boat, so perhaps I get another angle or not at all....? ) ;)

And now with this idea of a new start up club, "FREE CLUB" it will just fragment the boaters of Barnegat Bay even more and make places like Tices or the F- Cove places people will start to feel that they will run into a confrontation should they show up there... Maybe they will maybe they won't , just thinking out loud and not liking the direction this whole thing is going !

Hopefully you can get it worked out between the two of you without ruining the Shore Dreams For Kids and the NJPPC along the way......

Sharkey you are right in alot of what you said ,However to ban someone and call them names from a man who calls himself professional is un-acceptable, I was cleared by the SD committee of any wrong doing and an apology came from BRIAN MEADE and Mike Intile said he had no problem with me all day, Brian also said I have been 7 years worthy of SD,along with never having a problem with NJPPC or Dave before(since 1999) ,the only thing remains is the proper apology from Dave P.


Remember I started these threads after Dave p. was judge and executioner of me,I never wanted any of this but dont ever Disrespect me or my family without cause. Any of you guys are welcomed to call me as we all know each other along time,but the ony thing is I needed is a proper apology from the heart of the man that disrepected me on my friends cellphone without talking to me 1st.(remember he had no authority in this matter according to the commitee.)

One last blurp , when I got off my boat that day I went on the dock and had a drink and a hot dog and I went around shaking hands and saying hello to old friends, guess whos hand I shook 1st ,yes Dave P. a man who I did always respect. Most of you know me and know what I do for a living and in that industry where I have over 300 employees we have to show respect to give respect,I employ handicapped kids and work with disabled adults,my brother and myself raise alot of money for our companys charity every year,I am 55 years old ,I have been in the indusry since 1973 and a franchisee since 1977 (at 22 one of the youngest franchisee's), won many awards over the years and remeber to get respect you have to give respect,I purchased my 1st boat at age 18 and maintained at least 1 boat evey year since ,last thing and I am done----- twice I went to Coast Guard school and the 1st rule is the CAPTAIN is Responsable for evey one on his boat, well guess what I picked up and delivered over 30 guests that day safely and when a women from the ARK or ARC association said to me that she had been coming to SD for 7 years and myself and RJ had treated her to the best ride she had ever had. BOY that was heartfelt for me.

As I said, your issue is between you and Dave.

I don't know why you needed to disrespect me and the rest of the NJPPC by calling us "slippery and unprofessional" when none of us had anything to do with your situation.

This could have been settled in a much more professional manner on both sides but it hasn't. Now by throwing the Shore Dreams For Kids and the NJPPC smack in the middle of your issue with Dave makes it all look very bad.... :(

It would be nice to see this thread go away, but the damage is probably already done.... Intended or not.....

Hopefully some resolve may come soon....

I also met Joe at a get together in NY. Came from mass got there at 10. Talked to him about 1/2 hours or so. Was leaving at midnight to come back. 1st thing he does is say "Hey i have pleanty of room to crash at my house your going to drive 4 hours?." This was our first time meeting stand up guy. Also had a question about a boat he gave me a great run down that i never asked for he just help me out anyway. +1 for a great dude.
-Mike

Tim,

You and I both know JoeD has no problem with you and he likes you as a person. I have known Joe for a long time and I can tell you honestly this is the most upset I have seen him.
Joe has lost his temper and for good reason. Dave is in charge of the club and he should have called Joe directly and not leave a message on someone else's voicemail calling Joe names with accusations. I was hoping Joe and Dave could have worked this out. Now Joe has the ear of numerous people who like and respect Joe. You should also understand the behavior of the NJPPC has not always been stellar.

Last year numerous other people including a state Trooper and other cops were at the Captains Inn when a number of NJPPC members and a committee member showed up and were unable to park since no spots were open at the dock at the Captains Inn in Forked River NJ on a 42 outerlimits with 1075's and another 46 Outerlimits with 850's. Since the NJPPC members and commitee member could not get a spot the 42 owner proceeded to park half way in the slip. After parking half way in the slip the owner of the 42 Outerlimits proceeded to spit on the gentlemen's waverunner since he would not move the waverunner. The owner of the waverunner and the Outerlimits owner then engaged in a fist fight with the NJPPC commitee member's wife trying to pull them apart. Numerous cops showed up, the ambulance took one or both parties for first aid and the owner of the Captains Inn told them to never come back. With blood all over the place people at the restaurant were in complete dismay and stated these people are animials. A police report was filed and JoeD and multiple people witnessed this whole mess with conduct that was totally out of line by the NJPPC commitee member and NJPPC members. These people still represent the club. These people are welcome back at the NJPPC and Joe is not.

The people who were at the Captains Inn were affluent business associates and no one ever called the NJPPC.

You are correct in that it could have been handled differently. Dave should have called Joe if he perceived there was a problem with Joe... he didn't ... he left a message for Joe calling him names and banning him on someone else's phone.
There are several committee members that have spoken to Joe and Dave and have offered their apologies to Joe as a result.
I heard the message, it was out of line to the point you were waiting for for the punch line at the end..it didn't come.
For whatever reason Dave will not call Joe....hmm.
Joe is a long time member and volunteer, personally I think he deserves a little more respect from Dave than he has received.

When a committee member (NJPPC) personally attacks a member / volunteer and bans them from future events he is not speaking for himself...at that point he is speaking as a representative of the club.(he didnt say you cant come to my house anymore)..his actions reflect that of all the committee members.

Ive been good friends with Joe and his family for quite a few years. They are a solid as they make them. Joe spends alot of his personal/business time raising money and volunteering. I think because of this, it is very personal to him and his family. I have never seen Joe this upset.

I dont know what the resolution is at this point but I hope there is a happy medium somewhere.

wow! i am very surprised at what i am hearing has happened.ive known joed and his fam. for a while now and they are some of the nicest people i have ever known. joe, im very so sorry that you are as upset as you are but remember alot of us know what a great guy you really are.

The bottom line is this. If there was an issue with something Joe did or didn't do, it should have been takin up with him personally AFTER it was discussed with the commitee members which is was not. I left a message for Dave P Monday morning, he returned my call call Tues late afternoon, explained to me in further detail that not only did Bernie Martins Jr's complain about Joe's actions, but also another member did, at which point i gave Dave P Joe's number and said to Dave that i think at this point Joe needs to speak with you as i dont want to be in the middle anymore. I contacted that other member since i was side by side with him most of the day on the dock and he point blank said "i never said anything negative or derrogatory about Joe D at all". I also spoke with 3-4 other's directly involved with Shore Dreams and who are on the "board" and when Dave left that message on my machine, the board members had ZERO idea. If Dave had simply contacted Joe and said he what happened yesterday, i had a complaint about you not taking direction from someone i'm sure it could have been resolved at that point and never escalted to where it has.

i have known Joe and his family for almost 10 years and he is one of the most courteous boat owner/operators i've come in contact with as a 30+ year boat owner/operator myself. He's not some young punk hoohaa and for Dave to represent Shore Dreams, hear 1 persons side of a story and not speak with the other side and make is decision based on that 1 persons story was complete out of line. Not to mention STILL NOT CALLING JOE DIRECTLY after the Shore Dreams commitee apologized to Joe and invited him back next year with open arms. The Damiano family is 2nd to none, and goes above and beyond with whatever they do and certainly was entitled to a professional repremanding "IF" there was one actually necessary. Not to mention Bernie Martins Jr has been left numerous phone calls and an email from myself which have yet to be returned. I hope that this is resolved the way it should have been from the beginning and if not then im sure NJPPC as well as Shore Dreams will suffer to some degree which is a shame.

Tim it wasnt directed against you personally or Dave's wife that i can assure you.

here are the directors for Shore Dreams as listed on the website
For more information please contact one of our Directors below:
Pete Mazzo
Rob Cline
Brian Meade
Geralyn Monroe

here are the directors for NJPPC
NJ Performance Powerboat Club

Dave Patnaude / NJPPC President: [email protected]

Kelly Patnaude / NJPPC Director: [email protected]

Hi guys,

I am friends with everyone involved here. Please work this out amongst yourselves. Bringing Shore Dreams and other members of NJPPC into this will not resolve anything or make it better. Things between two people should be handled directly between two people and if it didn't start that way there is no reason to keep it going. Resolve things and move on.

Tom Anselmi

Tom unfortunately it didnt start between 2 people. I was left a message to deliver a message based on what other people had said. However "IF" DP would have contacted JD directly from the beginning NONE of this would be where it is now.

Understood. The problem however is between Dave and Joe. However it started can't be changed, however how it progresses can. That is all I am saying.

The only way it going to get resolved is if DP contacts JD as he should have from the beginning and apologizes to him...until that happens its not going to die.

I don't know what happened. I wasn't there. This is the first time I missed Shore Dreams and even going back to before it was Shore Dreams called Day on the Bay, I was there for that.
Too many people have spent too much time and effort in both Shore Dreams and NJPPC to make them special and yes, I took offense to Joe's posts.
I like Joe and consider him a friend. I like Dave and he is also a friend. I don't want to be involved in their disagreement, I am not trying to solve it, and I am not going to get involved. I just don't see anything positive coming out of this thread. Yes NJPPC is Dave's club, just as Stu Jones has FPC and Billy Frenz has NPPBA, however there are so many other people involved. This is a problem between two people and this thread is dragging others that don't need to be involved in. We all know what Shore Dreams has done and it is amazing.
Let's not forget what NJPPC has done for us as well. It is a combined voice against unjust legislations (knocking down unwarranted speed limits and no wake zones), a positive voice among other boating/sailing communities, and has set a golden example in the poker run industry in the last 10 years. Yes Dave started this and he is president but it is all of us NJPPC members that made it what it is.

Tom you are 100% correct in alot of what you said and as i said...the only possible resolution is if DP contacts JD as he should have from the beginning and apologizes to him...until that happens its not going to die. So if Dave's as concerned as you seem to be then this phone call should have already happened between 2 people, that up until noon on Sunday when the message was left on my phone were friends no ? The balls in Dave's court...

Tom 100% agreed but if we as a club can not treat current and former members with respect then how can we fight these issues together in the future?

Dave, Yesterday morning I called you and emailed you in the afternoon about your roar on the shore poker run. I find it a little disturbing that you can come on hear but not return an email or call from a potential participant. You were faxed Friday with my info before any of this happened and have yet to get any answers. Is this how things are run over there? Because if so you can gladly take me off your list or interested parties in your "club". You may have a problem with Joey D but at least he responds within hours if you need him.

DaveP- I have been calling/emailing you for several weeks and you HAVE NOT returned ANY phone calls/emails. You have my contact info. I do not want to SAY anymore UNLESS I need to.

joe ...i think we need njpp-FREE tee shirts and a team lomax logo on the back ...

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