WildThing47

I agree, it's the principal, what the hell am I getting for 400$? NOTHING...

There's no way this run...cost anywhere near that, for what, 6 card boats...you have to pay for pretty much everything else..I'm sure the restaurants are completely torn up about having a bunch of boaters come and blow money at their establishments...I think the run is overpriced and almost insulting..again, not the money, but it's insulting to have someone charge this much for nothing..I can't figure out where the money's going...or how they justify the cost....

People have been saying this for months then easing us into wanting to go, then the email comes out and we find out exactly, there's other fees etc and nothing's included....this thread has been open awhile and this has been discussed...not one person can say how this costs as much as it does...

The porch and BTB are going to host the party...ok, still have to pay for drinks etc..so you're basically having a gathering at a restaurant, we're stopping at montauk, gotta pay for everything there, and you give a few people some cash to hold the boats..ok and the purse...there's 4 g in the purse total...that's covered by...what..10 boats? C'mon guys, people aren't stupid...quick math even says it's over priced...

It's not a big run, I'm doing 1000 Islands in August...that's about 650-800...
You GET a TON! Not to mention it's a fantastic run....food, docking, everything...organization....I replied below, but I'm sorry, that's a serious run....for half the price...this isn't even close...

If you donated to charity or something I could see it..otherwise..I think everyone shares my opinion...

I understand the fact to carry insurance...I under stand that is a big cost...but even boats under 30ft get a break....200 for the run....so why because I'm 10ft longer, I get stiffed with the extra vig?

Make it a fun run, it isn't a race, we all carry insurance...have the cards as an after thought....

I'm sure as usual I'll be blasted for but I always end up being the voice for a group, and there are a pretty large group that would do this but can't justify spending this...at least give us t-shirts...or something else..not including food or docking is stupid..

...and for insurance...safety....you didn't black flag anyone last year without jackets....I have pictures to show that...why carry insurance at all if you're letting people run without them......

WildThing47

Thousand Islands Poker Run

Power Boating Canada 1000 Islands Poker Run
August 5-7, 2011

HOMEPORT AND CHECK-IN
v This event is a pre-registered only event. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK
YOUR BOAT IN THE MARINA IF YOU ARE NOT PRE-REGISTERED AND
ON THE DOCK MASTER’S LIST.

v Registration cut off date is Saturday July 30th, 2011.
v Check- in tent located at Confederation Park, on Ontario Street, downtown Kingston,
where your boat will be moored for the weekend. Pick up your kits and please put on
your wristbands for the duration of the weekend.
v Friday – August 5th from 4:00 pm to 8:00 pm
v Saturday – August 6th, from 11:00 am – 9:00 pm
v There will be no registration on Saturday morning

Host Hotels accepting Breakfast vouchers
The Radisson- rooming block “Poker Run 2011”
1 Johnson St.
Kingston, ON
K7L 5H7
613-549-8100
0.07 kms from host docks

Confederation Place Inn
237 Ontario Street
Kingston, ON
K7L 2Z4
613-549-6300
0.07 kms from host docks

OPP command post
- Immediately west of the Lighthouse in Confederation Park, downtown Kingston

LAUNCH SITE
Portsmouth Harbour YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LAUNCH YOUR BOAT IF YOU
ARE NOT PRE-REGISTERED AND ON THE DOCK MASTER’S LIST.
– Hi Test will be available
– Trucks and trailers can be stored at Portsmouth Olympic Harbour Park
- If you require a crane please call Kingston Marina (100 ton crane) 613-549-7747 or
613-561-5804

Sheridan Four Points
285 King St. E.
Kingston, ON
K7L 3B1
613-544-4434
0.07 kms from host docks

Holiday Inn Waterfront
1 Princess Street
Kingston, ON
K7L 1A1
613-549-8400
0.07 kms from host docks

DOCKING
Docking will be on a first come basis – assigned by Sid Devries, dock master for the City
of Kingston. A list of registered participants will be given to the dock master prior to your
arrival. If you wish to arrive early or stay longer please inform the dock master directly.
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK YOUR BOAT IN THE MARINA IF YOU ARE
NOT PRE-REGISTERED AND ON THE DOCK MASTER’S LIST.

FRIDAY, AUGUST 5th, 2011
- Poker Run boats street display, in front of the Confederation Basin and Downtown City Hall
- Poker Run Reception Party at the Sheraton Four Points Hotel 6:30 pm – 9:00 pm
- Exhibit Displays – Confederation Park.

SATURDAY, AUGUST 6th, 2011
- Breakfast will be available at the four hotels listed below, wear your wristbands and keep
your coupons handy. Radisson Hotel; Holiday Inn Hotel; Confederation Place Hotel & Four
Points Sheraton Hotel

-7:30 Doors open for Driver’s meeting at Memorial Hall

- 8:30 am Sharp Start of Mandatory Driver’s Meeting in Memorial Hall (2nd floor) of
Kingston City Hall, 225 Ontario Street across from Confederation Park.

- Card #1 will be handed out, roll call will be taken.
There will be two groups this year (under 80 mph and over 80 mph)

- 10:00 am Ladies and Gentlemen Start Your Engines

NOTE: NEW STARTING PROCEDURE FOR KINGSTON THIS YEAR.

BECAUSE OF SAFETY CONCERNS, THE FOLLOWING STAGGERED START
PROCEDURE MUST BE ADHERED TO OR DISQUALIFICATION WILL RESULT.

All boats proceed on their own time out of Confederation Basin heading northerly
towards the LaSalle Causeway crossing the harbour. Mill there and wait. Stand by in
pairs.

A “Start Boat” being a family-type cruiser with control flags flying, will be moored in the
middle of the harbour close to the milling area.

Starts will be made at short intervals with TWO BOATS ONLY in each start.

Once the Wolfe Island ferry boat has departed its dock and the departure route is clear,
the “Over 80 mph” pace boat(s) will depart past this “Start Boat” and take a broad
sweeping route past the downtown harbour area.

Approximately 10 seconds later, the “Start Boat”, using a green flag, will signal the first

two boats from the “Over 80 mph” group to depart. These boats will follow precisely
the same course as the pace boats did at a MAXIMUM 50 MPH. Then after another
approximately 10 seconds, another two “Over 80mph” boats will be signaled to start.

The above procedure will be followed until after all of the “Over 80 mph” boats have
departed. The “Under 80 mph” pace boat(s) will follow exactly the same procedure,
followed by all of the “Under 80 mph” boats, TWO by TWO, approximately 10 seconds
apart, until all boats have departed.
-YOU MUST FOLLOW THE DESIGNATED ROUTE THROUGH THE HARBOUR

-MAXIMUM SPEED 50 MPH UNTIL AFTER YOU PASS CEDAR ISLAND

-THE ABOVE PROCEDURE IS FOR KINGSTON ONLY. NORMAL GROUP
STARTS WILL OCCUR AT BROCKVILLE AND AT PRESCOTT.

-AT BROCKVILLE, THE SLOW GROUP WILL START FIRST

-AT PRESCOTT, THE FAST GROUP WILL START FIRST.

- Card Stop #2 Brockville – lunch and gas stop. Please enter the harbour and follow the
instructions of the dock hands. Boats must go to the inner harbour first. The dock hands will
place a large X on the last boat – so that no other boats will raft along side. This will keep the
lane of traffic open.

There will be high test fuel (93 Octane) at this stop. If you need to fuel up please do so as
you arrive. Lunch will be served in two sittings at Bud’s On the Bay – a short walk from the
marina.

Note: There will be two group starts after lunch. The “Under 80 mph” pace boat(s) and
their group will depart first, followed by the “Over 80 mph” pace boat(s) and their group.
You must stay with your assigned group.

- Card #3 - Prescott - Card Boat approx. 3:00 pm.
Note: There will be two group starts in Prescott. After picking up your card from the
Card Boat, the “Under 80 mph” group will proceed to an area just East of the Bridge and
mill. The “Over 80 mph” group will proceed to an area just West of the Bridge and mill.
The “Over 80 mph” group will depart first.

YOU MUST STAY WITH YOUR ASSIGNED GROUP FOR THE START AND
FOLLOW YOUR PACE BOAT(s) DIRECTIONS.

ANY BOAT LEAVING EARLY BEFORE THE ASSIGNED GROUP START WILL BE
DISQUALIFIED BECAUSE OF SAFETY CONCERNS ALONG THE ROUTE.

- Card #4 & 5 – Kingston – final two cards to be handed out at the Awards Ceremony. Please

have your previous three cards with you and turn them in as soon as possible.

- 6:30 pm – 8:00 pm Awards Ceremony at the Confederation Place Hotel, Kingston

SAFETY RULES

In an effort of maintaining safety, and in the interest of keeping poker runs safe for everyone,
the rules have been established by our safety committee. Failure to comply with our rules will
result in disqualification from the poker run.

•

A Poker Run is not a race. At no time during a poker run will racing

occur between/among participants. Please abide by all speed limits.

•

Absolutely no alcohol consumed by anyone on board or visible on board,
during the day of the event until the boat is tied up for the evening following the
event.

•

Every boat must comply with current USCG/ CCG construction and safety

requirements and carry the required on-board safety equipment.

•

USCG/ CCG approved life vests must be worn by everyone on board at all
times when the boat is in motion during the event.

•

Ignition safety tethers must be in working condition and suitably attached

while the boat is in motion.

A more complete list of rules is available in the APRA Official Rule Book that is available at
registration.

FLAGS

As part of the safety criteria it was agreed that standard flag colors be used for all poker runs
and they are as follows:

Red
Black
Yellow
Green
Diver Flag

Alternate Flags
Orange
Purple
CARD HANDS

Signifies Stop
Signifies Accident or Course Closed
Signifies Caution
Signifies Go
Signifies Divers Below

Signifies Marshal Boat
Signifies Disqualification

The best poker hand will be judged according to the following: from Best to Worst. Royal
Flush; Straight Flush; Four of a Kind; Full House; Flush; Straight; Three of a Kind; Two Pair;
One Pair; Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, and then Clubs.

Since several decks are used, a tie hand is possible. In the case of a tie hand, the two
participants will be dealt a new hand by an independent third party. Additional rules
required “On the Spot” will be determined by the officials on hand. All decisions by these
officials will be final.

If “5 of a kind” should occur it would be considered to be ranked between a Royal Flush and a
straight flush.

Included in your entry fee will be:
1. Boat entry for the driver and navigator
2. Your boat slip for the Friday and Saturday night
3. Breakfast for two on Saturday
4. Lunch for two
5. Party and Live Entertainment Friday night
6. Event coverage in Poker Runs America Magazine/Power Boating Canada Magazine
7. Participant plaques for each boat entered
8. Cash and prizes for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places
9. Keeper trophy for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places
10. Tickets for two to Saturday night Award Ceremony

Marinas and Fuel
Blue Woods Marina
Tunnel Bay Marina Brockville
Gilbert Marine
Ed Huck Marine (Rockport)
Kingston Marina

Other Important Numbers for this event
EMERGENCY
911
Canadian Customs
613-659-2444 or 1-888-226-7277
US Customs Alexandria Bay, NY
315-482-2261
Ontario Provincial Police
1-888-310-1122
Kingston Police
613-549-4660
Kingston General Hospital
613-548-2333
Hotel Dieu Hospital- Kingston
613-546-1240
After Hours Medical Clinic- Kingston
613-546-5506
Bill Taylor’s Cell Phone
416-434-4883
Poker Run Hotline Cell Phone
416-702-4316
Kingston Confederation Marina
613-544-2134
Portsmouth Olympic Harbour
613-544-9842
Collins Bay Marina
613-389-4455
Kingston Marina
613-549-7747

613-634-1304
613-345-1588 (93 octane at a discounted rate)
613-342-3462
613-659-3408 (Travel lift)
613-549-7747

302Sport

What time is the departure from the pavilion??

1MOSES1

lets face it guys, it was never about the money. we all make good money (some more than others, etc). the fact is, if anyone on here felt so compelled to go, i am absolutely 100% sure they could dig up the funds (me included). it was never about that. not to beat a dead horse but you get nothing for $400+. no one representing the npba has answered my question as to how this differs from the pavilion poker run which is only $125. and yes the pavilion poker run did serve dinner after the run. its ashame.

30ctsutphen

Man this is a tough crowd. I see all of your ponts and I see Billy trying to put on a nice event for the area.

I Hope Billy wil get on here and answer some of this and make his case though I dont know that it will matter in the long run. The run is what it is and there will be those who run it and those who dont.

stainless

Others can watch live during the run, showing speeds, track etc. It will be saved online so you can go back and check it out later.

If this is not trying to be a downer, I'd hate to see what it's like when you are!

WildThing47

the pav run is not insured...this run is insured...however...not including docking...or food...is really a bit hard to swallow...docking atleast....nothing is included but a hand of cards....christ for that money I'll go to the casino and put 400 in poker...

I understand what he's doing...but how can you expect a huge attendance when you're passing off the costs to the boaters who are around the area all the time and everyone knows it...I would've been happy with a t-shirt and some pictures...I lost interest when they were charging for docking....I still might do it just to support the cause, but it's known by everyone that the fact it's about 500$ before you even get into it, to run the same places we run every week...

There is logic here...and everyone sees it, I don't care what Billy is trying to put up, if it's too expensive don't do it..or just make it a fun run and screw the cards, all anyone wants to do is run together! We can do that without picking up cards...

Billy's a good guy, but cmon guys, this is kinda cutt and dry, I understand the sponsors dried up...we all carry insurance...we all sign a hold harmless......this is beating a dead horse....should've included SOMETHING.....

Also charging the prices, I still bought a video etc from last year, then the prices for the photos...

Charge 250$ for all the pictures and the video of the run, they would've sold like hot cakes, not 400+ for one picture...this is not 2002...donate some of this to a good cause, do something....and I can understand the sponsors, if they aren't going to make money out of an event why would they do it....I can see every side to the argument...but they screwed allot of boaters by not giving anything for your money..

1MOSES1

So let me get this straight...the difference between this and the pav poker run is $275 which for insurance which I already pay annually on my own to the tune of almost $1000. Hmmmm so basically what your telling me is that I'm paying nearly $300 to cover npba's ass in the event that something does happen? I never understood this and still don't understand it. I'm pretty sure my INS company will cover me in the event of something happening during the run. So who am I exactly paying the additional money for? If it's to insure someone else I'm not interested.

1MOSES1

It's not a race so...I don't see the point.

302Sport

Can you guys stop bickering and answer a simple GD question????