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Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 12:46 PM

Gonna be lots of impressive hardware in ct! Glad I'm up here in mass doesn't take as much to stand out ! Lol

kreed 12-20-2011 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3575431)
Gonna be lots of impressive hardware in ct! Glad I'm up here in mass doesn't take as much to stand out ! Lol

Oh your gonna stand out alright! Youll be cruising in the biggest mammal on earth! :lolhit:

SS930 12-20-2011 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by kreed (Post 3575435)
Oh your gonna stand out alright! Youll be cruising in the biggest mammal on earth! :lolhit:

A lot could be said about this post... :party-smiley-004:

Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 12:53 PM

Hahaha it's a plane it's a whale oh wait it's Jamie on Ss moby!

Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 12:55 PM

I'm building a cradle to carry small boats on the front deck and sun pad

WildThing47 12-20-2011 01:06 PM

Why do I always get Dragged into this ****...haha...

Frank: that's amazing...glad it didn't make an inspection hole...

Scott: +1

Kevin: really bud? Really? haha, YEA BABY!

4195 12-20-2011 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by madhatter42 (Post 3575452)
Why do I always get Dragged into this ****...haha...

Frank: that's amazing...glad it didn't make an inspection hole...

Scott: +1

Kevin: really bud? Really? haha, YEA BABY!

Pat you get my vote for avatar of the year! I laugh everytime and then 2 minutes later start signing.

WildThing47 12-20-2011 01:57 PM

hangin' out in this rusty motor home ;)

I'm a rocketMANNNNNN......


Frank, haha I actually do too, then it's stuck in my head all day...

4195 12-20-2011 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3575430)
Wow, I can't get over that... especially if it's in the condition Richie says it's in. I'd be interested in seeing pics of all the damage if he sent anything to you.

You guys can race around all you want next season... I'm thinking of detuning or repowering with Adam's 525's (if he ever posts a price) and taking it easy, it's just too much pressure keeping up with all you hotrodders and undercover spys/agents!

Yeah he is going to send me pics of the parts, but gotta say not bad for blower motors with 470 hours. Had it not lost the oil lines he said it looked pretty good. This is why I like a nice mild motors not like those turbines you guys run:drink:. Out of curiosity how many hours between rebuilds and refreshing up on your mills? Isn't that why the 1075 have gone away because of the limited hours between service and the cost to do it? Pat is this why the switch from big power to a nice reliable mild set up?

WildThing47 12-20-2011 04:26 PM

Yes, that was the main idea...

1075 went away because who the *uck wants to do a 23k service perside every 50hrs....

You can convert to hydraulics, but that's still not cheap either..and who knows how long they will run for.

I had 635hrs on my PSI motors, without any REAL major issues...but...the upkeep was still a good amount...ya get a good set, you get a bad set.....you got lucky Frank...it's a good set :)

Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 04:30 PM

bigger they are the more power they make "mild" sooo 706's with big chief heads and 14-71's might push moby to 90 and last 60 hours lol

302Sport 12-20-2011 04:33 PM

A 1075 merc is prolly the highest maintenance sub 1100hp motor out there compared to other builders motors with the same hp

WildThing47 12-20-2011 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3575621)
bigger they are the more power they make "mild" sooo 706's with big chief heads and 14-71's might push moby to 90 and last 60 hours lol

You'll be lucky to get 30hrs out of a set of valves...custom pushrods....12* heads...haha....until the drives look at you after you put 1200torque through them going "i'm outta here prick"

;)

There's a reason Merlin(WP) doesn't make the super-tall decks anymore...:coolcowboy:

WildThing47 12-20-2011 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3575623)
A 1075 merc is prolly the highest maintenance sub 1100hp motor out there compared to other builders motors with the same hp

+1

The problem is the solid lifters.why they put a race valve setup in that motor is moronic....they shift, they run great, except the maintenance....converting to hydraulic...but that's why the new QOHC make everything obsolete...

Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 04:44 PM

i'd put them in gear and they'd puke off the transom !!lol

SS930 12-20-2011 05:11 PM

As mentioned Frank, it's the valve train in the 1075's that make them such a maintenance nightmare. While mine have similar components, I have a lighter double spring setup that runs lighter seat pressures, so I can get away with a little longer time between top end tear downs. At the end of the day it's always a crap shoot when you're going to spit a lifter, spring, valve, etc with mechanical lift cams, so you never know. It's a lot cheaped to do preventative top end tear downs to be safe. I'm going to do my top ends before the boat goes back in the water...

The bottom ends can last hundreds of hours, or go 10... It all depends on your parts, how well they were put together, and how they are maintained/treated. Obviously the more power they make (not how much they are cabable of making) can be a huge determining factor of have long the bottom ends will last. A bottom end that's capable of handling 1200 but never sees any boost or high RPMs could last a lot longer than a lower output engine that's constantly at 5000+ RPMs and getting hammered... So there are a lot of factors in how long engines will go between complete rebuilds.

Btw, yours were built by a decent builder and babied for a lot of years, so its no suprise they lived to see so many hours.

Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3575655)
As mentioned Frank, it's the valve train in the 1075's that make them such a maintenance nightmare. While mine have similar components, I have a lighter double spring setup that runs lighter seat pressures, so I can get away with a little longer time between top end tear downs. At the end of the day it's always a crap shoot when you're going to spit a lifter, spring, valve, etc with mechanical lift cams, so you never know. It's a lot cheaped to do preventative top end tear downs to be safe. I'm going to do my top ends before the boat goes back in the water...

The bottom ends can last hundreds of hours, or go 10... It all depends on your parts, how well they were put together, and how they are maintained/treated. Obviously the more power they make (not how much they are cabable of making) can be a huge determining factor of have long the bottom ends will last. A bottom end that's capable of handling 1200 but never sees any boost or high RPMs could last a lot longer than a lower output engine that's constantly at 5000+ RPMs and getting hammered... So there are a lot of factors in how long engines will go between complete rebuilds.

Btw, yours were built by a decent builder and babied for a lot of years, so its no suprise they lived to see so many hours.

very well put, build it to handle 1200 and run it at 800 or my case build it for 650 and run at 475 lol

WildThing47 12-20-2011 05:47 PM

Power doesn't kill motors, revs do...:coolcowboy:

302Sport 12-20-2011 05:54 PM

Lil red, ill trade you my boat for her straight up...

WildThing47 12-20-2011 05:56 PM

302: I was offering the avatar guy, and a ride in the Outerlimits for her straight up..I figured red might like it now that he's just the "Cigarette" bandits hahah

4195 12-20-2011 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3575685)
Lil red, ill trade you my boat for her straight up...

Just remember for every hot chick there is already some guy sick of her sh!t. Scot are you doing the work or are you bringing it somewhere? It's never the tear down that worries me its putting it back together and the first run.:eek: How many hours on your motors?? Pat how many hours on your new power? What can expect out them?

kreed 12-20-2011 06:20 PM

[QUOTE=4195;3575702]Just remember for every hot chick there is already some guy sick of her sh!t.

Im sick of Jamie being with her....:lolhit:

WildThing47 12-20-2011 06:23 PM

Hahahah!

Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 06:39 PM

hahaha lmfao, i aint sick of her.....yet!!!! she's awesome lets me do as i please, every week when theres a new boat i have to have she's happy for me, see how long it lasts !!

4195 12-20-2011 07:44 PM

[QUOTE=lil red;3575720]hahaha lmfao, i aint sick of her.....yet!!!! she's awesome lets me do as i please, every week when theres a new boat i have to have she's happy for me, see how long it lasts !![/QUOTE
Jamie I found that girl and married her its been 13 years and now I think she looks forward to me going and doing things on the weekend. I think you got a keeper they are few and far between!

Unlimited jd 12-20-2011 07:57 PM

Thanks frank! I'm sure you'll meet her this summer

RunninHotRacing163.1 12-21-2011 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3575720)
hahaha lmfao, i aint sick of her.....yet!!!! she's awesome lets me do as i please, every week when theres a new boat i have to have she's happy for me, see how long it lasts !!

she sounds like a Keeper & we like the more time you spend outside :eek::hitit::hitit::hitit:





ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:coolcowboy:
ITS A SKATER NATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drink:
HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!:bigbird:

kreed 12-21-2011 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by madhatter42 (Post 3575707)
Hahahah!

Kick azz pic of the OL in your avitar Pat...

RunninHotRacing163.1 12-21-2011 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3575621)
bigger they are the more power they make "mild" sooo 706's with big chief heads and 14-71's might push moby to 90 and last 60 hours lol

don't stop there





ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:coolcowboy:
ITS A SKATER NATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drink:
HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!:bigbird:

Unlimited jd 12-21-2011 09:41 AM

My budget stopped way before there!!! This damn wedding is costing me a lot of my boat budget!!!

kreed 12-21-2011 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by lil red (Post 3576102)
My budget stopped way before there!!! This damn wedding is costing me a lot of my boat budget!!!

Hey, look at the bright side....there's wedding money to be had ( if you plan properly)! You foot the bill in the beginning, and you get it all back after the wedding! Its a wash, and you get it all back in one lump sum....just before summer :)

Unlimited jd 12-21-2011 09:58 AM

Yeah then that lump sum becomes the new house down payment lol

4195 12-21-2011 11:38 AM

Here is a question for the guys running "bigger power". Kevin and I got to talkin about what kind of boating we do and what want from our boats . We came to the conclusion that we want higher cruising speeds, good mid range and decent top end while keeping reliability and low maintainace costs. We also figured our boats run wot around 1% of the time and run cruising 70% of the time. So as I am finalizing my build I am trying to figure the most efficient HP numbers to fit all my needs. So here is the question for the big power guys why run the big HP power? Do you run top speed more often? Are you looking for more torque? I know it was said yesterday that rpms kill motors not HP, but in order to run top speed you are at wot and high rpms. If you are out running those high HP motors at 3500 rpms is that lugging motor bad for it? I am trying to talk myself into the lower HP motor. Going big seems like killing a fly with a bazooka when all you need is a fly swatter. Let's hear from everyone.

WildThing47 12-21-2011 11:51 AM

Bigger power = higher cruise speed...

Your torque/hp numbers go up exponentially however this creates a new predicament. Just because you're running more boost, doesn't mean allot will change...

Big cubic inch gives more torque, for instance, 4000 for a 502 with a blower will make probably in the ball park of 550-600torque at cruise...a 600/632/588/98 will do with a blower, probably around 900torque....hp obviously following, this equates to more cruise speed at a lower rpm. It's not the top end, if you want to cruise fast, you have to over build, but take into consideration, more boost won't necessarily get you there, understand what your blocks are capable of and where your blower kicks in...be it roots or screw it all makes a variation.

Personally I like the acceleration and the ability to have endless power, so therefore building up is the way to go. I've always thought, find where you want to cruise, then figure your top end, add 10-15mph to that, that's what you build your motors to.

It's all about combination, propping etc. Torque is what makes cruise speed, not hp...look at the ilmors...they routinely run 5000+ but they run fine there, more hp than torque...wind em up they'll push the boat but it takes a minute to get there...

My boat runs fine at a cruise, but the hull difference , efficiency, it's a different setup, each setup is unique...if that sheds any light. The original Madhatter was fine @ cruise at 95-100....but the hp difference was drastic...I cruise now 70-80 no issue.....

It's not lugging the motor at 3500-4000...it is at 3k....in my opinion...

You want to let the block breathe, then the boost will do more, if the block is breathing it makes more hp naturally and the boost will go down...then your boost will make a larger difference if you have efficient heads etc.

REMEMBER THIS: FAST, CHEAP, RELIABLE
YOU GET TWO...YOU ONLY EVER GET 2...

if it's fast and cheap it's not reliable....
if it's reliable and cheap, it's not fast...
if it's reliable and fast, it aint cheap...

park35 12-21-2011 11:53 AM

My 2 cents here,not running the kind of power you guys are,but for me I would build say a 600 to 700hp motor and try to cruise at about 3600 to 3800 rpms,my boat and we know what is,at 3800rpm about 55 to 60 mph,on a good day,to me relieabilty is the key,I will never be the fastest but I will always get there,I guess what I am trying to say is I would rather be alittle slower and have a lot less issues,happy holidays frank and to all

WildThing47 12-21-2011 12:00 PM

The difference in ride quality doesn't hit until 70 I've noticed at least...60in mine is boring... :) different boat though!

Park: nice to see ya on here! Chime in more often!

scarab63 12-21-2011 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by kreed (Post 3576113)
Hey, look at the bright side....there's wedding money to be had ( if you plan properly)! You foot the bill in the beginning, and you get it all back after the wedding! Its a wash, and you get it all back in one lump sum....just before summer :)

Haha, is that how it works for most?

My best friend just got married...spent $40 g of his own $

Had a meltdown when his cards equaled less than $13.

Called everybody that had no $ in cards & told em to f off.

Tacky? Yes.... Funny....hell ya

Good luck j.
With my savings so far its a town hall ceremony for us:grinser010:

Sick Stinger 12-21-2011 12:45 PM

Wedding? ill just go buy hookers cheaper

WildThing47 12-21-2011 12:53 PM

The avatar war.... haha

Big Time 12-21-2011 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by scarab63 (Post 3576197)
Haha, is that how it works for most?

My best friend just got married...spent $40 g of his own $

Had a meltdown when his cards equaled less than $13.

Called everybody that had no $ in cards & told em to f off.

Tacky? Yes.... Funny....hell ya

Good luck j.

Ouch....

I'm really surpised that there were actually people who didn't at least throw him a bone.... if you can't afford to leave at least a little something, then you probably shouldn't go.


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