Shortsidedness is the answer then or is it power to waive the magic wand.

If our products were not an advantage then why were we banned?

If you spent any time near our products you would know that there are no 90 degree changes.

Don't worry about us going mainstream that only takes time and money. We were very content racing and we still are. It is entertaining and a way for us to explore new things, you know think, problem solve, invent.

If you come to the Rum Run next year I will take you on a tour of our shop.

It is time for me to fade.

pat W

Steve,

We have been producing product to the public for 41 years. My grandfather,father and mother, and now my brother and I. I have been designing, building, and maintaining our products in offshore since 1988.

Have a look at our website www.weismann.net

Our products speak for themselves.

I have not done a single engine vee yet but that is on my list of things to do.

fading away again,

pat W

In 2001 we were homologated by the LLC for the Weismann WSD drive (ragamuffin), W2k 13.5 dropbox (tommy bahama), 9.0 dropbox, 4.5 dropbox and zero dropbox. Obviously we fit the criteria at the time. Forsale to the general public and private (gov). Always has been always will be.

Then the club rules were set. We were out, arneson, bpm, trimax ect.... boat companies that were building shaft drive boats (platinum) ...... for $350,000. You are homologated... oh wait we made a deal.....

In 1996 we did a boat that was 5 or 6 years old that had finished 8th the previous year and dominated all of 96. The investment was small and he sold the boat for more then it had cost him(gain on investment).

The super spec club classes are ruining/diluting the sport. Return to what was working in 95/96. Atleast you would have a chance to compete with an older boat... All the engine/drive deal did was to focus performance on a new hull.

pat W

pat is one of a few innovators left. he can and will do what he pleases and we support his efforts. he has alway and still does support his teams. still supporting peppers racing after 12 years, and we still own his dry sump drives. one day someone will realize that competition breeds innovation.
both of you guys are a wealth of info, i have been there with and against.
i want this more than anyone to work out. i am the one that will lose because i live and breath this sport we are all passionate about.
dad and i are one of a few left from the good old days of racing offshore and we want to continue.
mike

Do you mind saying which ones??

Motley Crew is 3 years old and they have quite a few checkered flags, Popeyes is 3 years old and runs in the front,
I dont think SCL is a good choice on class.

However SV on the other hand,
If the sport was to become main stream, how long should a boat be racing in the top ranks???

I likened to any other motorsport, one year and the vehicle is usually done.

There are some old boats winning in P-class, but it was always my understanding that P-class was a starter class?
and the Idea was for teams to step up to the pro series classes.

[QUOTE][Start with most of the MTI's I am a MTI fan but currently it is hard to win in one. Motley crew is the leading edge of the newer skaters./QUOTE]

Motley Crew is a 3 year old boat,
Peppers is in the second year
Popeyes is a 2003
Lets Play a 2004
Teague is the newest boat 2007
Propstop is a 2006
All Jacked up 2003
MTI's
Reliable 2006
Team Shocker 2007
Leaning the ropes 2006
Aerospeed Marine 2001

All these boats except for teagues and Shocker have been around for a few years, and on any given Sunday they can win, Reliable led most of the race in LOTO, and on the last couple laps the Crew caught them. I give credit to the Ron and scott, They are Competitor's, and its nothing against Reliable or any of the SCL teams, they test hard and race hard, every SCL race I have seen is a showdown. the battle for the first pin to improve position. As you well know its about set-up, and doing youre homework. The teams that do the most are the most successful. It si the most exciting class in the sport, second is SVL , because the boats are close in speed and it comes down to the crew in the boat.
One mistake and a checkered flag is out of grasp.

Cost is up no doubt, Hot ECM's, HMMMM I dont know about that, but as I said before there are some talented teams out there and some not willing to push the enevelope.

You are correct, SCL, just like Indy Lights, Unlimited lights, supercross lights(125'S), are not cheap. But look what some of the one boat in a class teams have in cost per race. It really comes down to can the team afford to race a particular class or are they in over their head??

The sport hasnt let me down, I will say certain personalities in offshore have brought the sport down as whole with their percieved "OWN" personal agenda's! As for Nascar their attendance is down this year, and the Busch series and truck series didnt do well either. Some of the smaller NHRA classes are feeling the money crunch as well.

No Matter where one races, if they dont have a snowballs chance in hell to win they wont race. SVL has been very consistant in providing fair racing, and its anyones race to be won. testing and set-up, along with a little luck and skill mixed in, we will see this week.

Why hasnt anyone jumped

The SVL fleet is all pretty close in racing, no one has walked away from the rest, and this New design could be tomorrows purchase. As for the ecm's stuff, While there are a few that cheat and in the end, Karma will works its magic there it always does.

Billy M. bought Ragamuffin half way through the season. We were not allowed to run the homologated (WSD) drives on another boat. The "one drive manufacture" only rule was already in full swing.

Platinum had a rudder boat in construction boat #1 for Forrest and Johnny. It was a BPM plug type with our dropbox. The hull was cored and under vacuum. There was some major B.S. around this subject. Why would Andreas refuse to let you see the boat?

Fabio came in and destroyed a and b and d class because he had a superior product. Your right shame on him for pushing the envelope and reading the rules. Arrest development, forget that the public has boats and benefits from development. That makes total sence.

Revisionist..... I like that . We learn from our past.

You keep ignoring facts. We build complete drive systems. We continue to explore and develope new ideas despite narrow minded self appointed officials.

The reason I started this thread is because of the 850 proposal that came into play at the end of last year. I did not start this to discuss the complete failure of the LLC and why.

But it does show how the sport declined after the "drive rule".

What was the SC boat count in St.Pete in 2000?

What was it last year?

How many of the people that were competing in 2000 (SC class) are still racing?

pat W