speed buff

if you want exciting tv then take racing more offshore in rougher waters. as a fan flat water racing is not as exciting on tv.

shifter

Ken,

I have talked to John Carbonell and it was a very simple conversation. I do not have any problem with SBI/APBA we are legal.

I do not know who to talk to at OSS. I know that Linder was writing the rules but I also hear the racers make changes for their class. I really do not know who to talk to over there. The Class or Linder?

P class is ok but why can't we run head to head in SV or SC or SCL or SVL? We have been pushing innovative set-ups for safety,durability and cost. That is clearly been pushed out in the rules but I cannot get a straight answer why.

In P class we could run Vee vs Cat and there is no clear reason why we won. We like the Apples to Apples racing.

Most of the guys would run and do run Saturday and Sunday and we would not be able to run Sunday. It is very hard to get a sponsor to come on board for a P class only. I have not seen much race footage of the P races on OLN.

pat W

byrideroffshore

Pat,
I will be working on the path you would like to see very shortly.I believe
that it will happen with the right persuasion. How can they argue the point?
lets get this first deal done on the new project and go from there..We can always unbolt those weismans and try something new. ill call you tomorrow
Stay optimistic!!! Tony

KenD

Pat,

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that your drive is only legal in P-Class for SBI/APBA?

As for who to contact with OSS, I would suggest contacting their national office to get the names of the Class Reps. You could also get an Owner/Member to bring the matter before the Class.

It is my understanding that the OSS Board of Directors has final say on any rules changes. However, I also understand that it is OSS polcy that a rule change with a unanimous vote by a Class Owners group becomes effective immediately.

I understand that SBI/APBA will also recognize a rule change that has a unanimous Owner vote.

Do you plan on a race team support program for teams who would run your drives?

Ken Doyle

Phantom1

OSS General 34: OSS RULE CHANGES
A. Technical Rules

1. Technical Rule Changes may be initiated in one of the following ways:
a. By the Technical Chairman
b. By the Technical Committee
c. By a current member or group of members in good standing from a specific OSS class (rule changes must be for that class only)

2. Technical rule changes may be made at anytime, but will not become effective until January 1 of the following racing season.

3. Technical Rules may be changed during the season only if 100% of the currently registered boat owners in the affected class vote in favor of the proposed change.

4. Upon notice of a proposed rule change, the Technical Chairman will draft the proposed rule change, prepare a ballot and distribute it to all members of the affected class. (A phone conference call may be substituted for a ballot and a
verbal vote taken over the phone during the conference call)

5. Technical rule changes must be voted on and approved by a 3/4 majority of the currently registered owners of the class affected by the rule change.

6. If the class approves a rule change, the Technical Chairman will present the rule change to the OSS Board of Directors (hereinafter referred to as the Board) for
final approval. Board approval is accomplished by a simple majority vote of the Board. No rule change shall be considered final until approved by the Board.

7. The Board may approve all rule changes approved by a class vote but shall have the authority to override a class vote if the Board determines that the proposed rule change will be detrimental to the class or OSS. A ¾ majority vote of the Board is necessary to override a class vote.

8. Upon approval by the Board, said rule change shall become effective in accordance with these rules.

9. Approved rule changes shall be posted on the official OSS website immediately upon approval by the Board.

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Xtremeracing

Pat,

There is your anwser...
Even if a class votes on a rule change, and approves a rule change, the board has the final say not the class or owners.

shifter

Can anyone give me the names of the BOD of OSS, and the tech chairman and committee via email if not here.

Ken, Our drive(s) and gearboxes are legal in SBI/APBA/UIM (Super classes). P class is still open to anything as far as I know.

If track support is what is needed that is not a problem. If it is about service that is not a problem either. There are several people around that have experience with our products and we work closely with our customers to make sure that they know how to check and maintain our products. Our products have no special tools or fixtures to work on them. We take great care in making things simple to work on.

TNT- Matt and Lupe, Leon from Fountain, Nick and John from Lucas, Tom from Ettore, Ray and George from WHM, Coabella, Vern with Gentry, just to name a few I can count on. We have always supported everyone that has raced our products in anyway possible. I have never needed a semi full of parts yet but we aspire to be in that league some day.

Tony,
See you soon.
pat W

Gordo

So, In other words, nothing but Mercury products will be allowed in OSS, or be allowed to compete against Mercury in OSS? I think we've seen that game show before.
Rik made some great points. Sounds like he's also seen this show before. He also says the Racers are the customers, Bad2bone says the local promoters and sponsors are the customers, and Ron P thinks the fans are the customers. Personally, I think you're all right. BUT, if you look at the continued NASCAR reach, NASCAR had a product to sell before it became the popular sport it is now. When the racing got closer TV coverage got better. Potential sponsors, (advertising agencies who look at TV ratings) saw the number of folks watching NASCAR on TV and next thing you know everyone from Tide to Viagra jumped on board. Now NASCAR is second only to NFL, and not far behind at that. SO, you gotta have teams racing to have a show, then you gotta have producers and promoters to sell the show. The fans are out there, and as we've seen they're hungry for hot competition, heated controversy, names they recognize, bad guys to boo at, good guys to cheer for, and general mass hysteria. Once the show gets out there and the fans get on board the sponsors will come. One big snowball. Sounds easy right? Well folks, as long as you have one company trying to monopolize the sport, it will continue to take one step forward and two steps back. The lines are black and white. YOU read between em.
Of course, that's just my opinion...

Popeyes

As far as I know any tech rule that has had a 100% support factor by a class has "NOT" been over ruled by board. As far as drive rule Bravos on existing boats are grandfathered in. New boats must have 6's. As far as OSS cat light class anyway. The biggest factor in this has to due with saftey as most accidents recently have envolved gimble ring failure on Bravo based drives. Although some would argue that the gimble failure came post accident as a result of the accident. Did that sound right?
sw

shifter

I have more questions regarding the rules for this year. On 6-29-06 there was a change to the rules for drives. Make a 100 units a year to get in the class, make sure it is as bad as the current drives on the list? Funny.

There was also a ruling on our Weismann dry-sump #6 drives not being allowed on the new peppers Skater. They were allowed on the previous peppers Skater. The peppers team already have the expence of a new boat,rigging and props. Now they are having to pick up new engines and drives. There was nothing wrong with the old ones.

I have requested a reason but I have not received one yet. Can someone explain?

pat W