See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
10-27-2005 | 08:49 PM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
Now for the balance of the people that seem to try and do everything they can to destroy the Sport of Offshore. When CMS posted the original Challenge back in June here were some of the posts then verses now:
((((((Wil SVL4
Then
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
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I had heard that CMS was going to race in ST.Clair.Thats a good offer but Bob and Mitch know where the boats are,so come to St.Clair and run against the best in Cat Lite.I dont think anybody in this class needs their entry fee paid for.
Wil
PS
If you want to beat the best you have to start with Page and the defending national champion Joey Gratton.
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Gino,
Fair enough,just thought it would be easier for one team to join the majority than the other way around.Hopefully we,as fans,will see them all together at some point.Looking forward to see the new boat,congratulations.
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Gino,
Fair enough,just thought it would be easier for one team to join the majority than the other way around.Hopefully we,as fans,will see them all together at some point.Looking forward to see the new boat,congratulations.
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
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Shane,
ALL the teams in OSS are the very best,I was referring to Joey because he is the defending champion in that class.Every single team is tough,thats why every class is so competitive.The next few races are going to be very exciting since every class is close in the points chase.Who is your favorite in every class?
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Frank,
Don't be part of the problem,Be part of the solution.Bottom line,OSS does offer a better purse but in this case is about principle and loyalty to the groups we race with.Its obvious that SCL challenge is nothing more than an attempt to buy quality boats for your event.Please don't tell me what a great offer this is,because this offer is extended to every SBI/APBA team every time OSS races.If any SCL team wonts to test whether they can hang as you put it,all they have to do is race against the OSS fleet.Before everybody jumps all over this post,its about the fact that there are 6 teams in OSS and 2 teams in SBI/APBA.Frank,I respect your loyalty to SBI/APBA,but please respect ours to OSS.
Your friend,
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Frankie,
Work on the solution,you did it in factory 1,now just do it.You know how buddy.))))
My Reply:
Wil
I think the defending National Champion would have been CMS/Castaway, and as you state above “I dont think anybody in this class needs their entry fee paid for” you are correct however at the time that is what everyone was complaining about and made that the reason for not racing in both circuits.
If we are having 4-6 boats in Key West that would mean that there is no majority? Plus the majority at that time did not make the offer. Remember the golden rule? Oh that’s right we do not need the money. So this must mean the majority races for what? “Ego’s”. We race for the competition and had some extra cash willing to help out those that complained about the fees.
I really liked this one
“Its obvious that SCL challenge is nothing more than an attempt to buy quality boats for your event.Please don't tell me what a great offer this is,because this offer is extended to every SBI/APBA team every time OSS races."
So are you stating that Popeyes Offer is an attempt to buy the National Champion? Or would this be to buy more quality boats since the teams seam to not want to spend a week in St. Pete with Mike A and instead have decided to go where the competition is and the UIM World Title is up for grabs along with 10k to the winner?
Now
(((((SVL4
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
________________________________________
Smitty,
Get to work,you can do it!!!!
Wil
__________________
OSS VEE LITE 4
2004 OSS National Champions
2005 OSS National Champions
SVL4
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
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Augie,
Ask Smitty to put a pair of 525 in the Jem boat and hope for big water and you will have a chance at the money.
Wil
__________________
OSS VEE LITE 4
2004 OSS National Champions
2005 OSS National Champions)))))
My Reply
You seem to be one sided here when I posted the original challenge you were negative, now you think this is a great thing and it’s a lot of money and you state you are considering it.
Maybe you should take your own advice you so willingly offered to Frank and work on the solution and quit being a problem?
There is nothing wrong with either organization the leaders of all of them are doing the best they can to promote the sport of Offshore Racing. They are all spending their own money to have a race and pay for the fun of others. We do not have to agree with everything they are doing but until you start spending your own money so others can go out and have fun and enjoy there boats be happy that there are still people around that love the sport enough to continue this. The people funding the sport with there hard earned money will finally realize that it is a waste of their efforts if every time they do something they feel is positive and some dip-$hit publicly posts his disapproval. If this complaining continues soon the complainers will run off everyone that is funding the sport and there will be no where to race and by the way maybe the complainers don’t have the wherewithal because they sit around and complain all of the time? I don’t see the funders here bashing the sport?
More to Come>>>>>
((((((Wil SVL4
Then
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
I had heard that CMS was going to race in ST.Clair.Thats a good offer but Bob and Mitch know where the boats are,so come to St.Clair and run against the best in Cat Lite.I dont think anybody in this class needs their entry fee paid for.
Wil
PS
If you want to beat the best you have to start with Page and the defending national champion Joey Gratton.
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Gino,
Fair enough,just thought it would be easier for one team to join the majority than the other way around.Hopefully we,as fans,will see them all together at some point.Looking forward to see the new boat,congratulations.
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Gino,
Fair enough,just thought it would be easier for one team to join the majority than the other way around.Hopefully we,as fans,will see them all together at some point.Looking forward to see the new boat,congratulations.
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Shane,
ALL the teams in OSS are the very best,I was referring to Joey because he is the defending champion in that class.Every single team is tough,thats why every class is so competitive.The next few races are going to be very exciting since every class is close in the points chase.Who is your favorite in every class?
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Frank,
Don't be part of the problem,Be part of the solution.Bottom line,OSS does offer a better purse but in this case is about principle and loyalty to the groups we race with.Its obvious that SCL challenge is nothing more than an attempt to buy quality boats for your event.Please don't tell me what a great offer this is,because this offer is extended to every SBI/APBA team every time OSS races.If any SCL team wonts to test whether they can hang as you put it,all they have to do is race against the OSS fleet.Before everybody jumps all over this post,its about the fact that there are 6 teams in OSS and 2 teams in SBI/APBA.Frank,I respect your loyalty to SBI/APBA,but please respect ours to OSS.
Your friend,
Wil
SVL4
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Frankie,
Work on the solution,you did it in factory 1,now just do it.You know how buddy.))))
My Reply:
Wil
I think the defending National Champion would have been CMS/Castaway, and as you state above “I dont think anybody in this class needs their entry fee paid for” you are correct however at the time that is what everyone was complaining about and made that the reason for not racing in both circuits.
If we are having 4-6 boats in Key West that would mean that there is no majority? Plus the majority at that time did not make the offer. Remember the golden rule? Oh that’s right we do not need the money. So this must mean the majority races for what? “Ego’s”. We race for the competition and had some extra cash willing to help out those that complained about the fees.
I really liked this one
“Its obvious that SCL challenge is nothing more than an attempt to buy quality boats for your event.Please don't tell me what a great offer this is,because this offer is extended to every SBI/APBA team every time OSS races."
So are you stating that Popeyes Offer is an attempt to buy the National Champion? Or would this be to buy more quality boats since the teams seam to not want to spend a week in St. Pete with Mike A and instead have decided to go where the competition is and the UIM World Title is up for grabs along with 10k to the winner?
Now
(((((SVL4
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
________________________________________
Smitty,
Get to work,you can do it!!!!
Wil
__________________
OSS VEE LITE 4
2004 OSS National Champions
2005 OSS National Champions
SVL4
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
________________________________________
Augie,
Ask Smitty to put a pair of 525 in the Jem boat and hope for big water and you will have a chance at the money.
Wil
__________________
OSS VEE LITE 4
2004 OSS National Champions
2005 OSS National Champions)))))
My Reply
You seem to be one sided here when I posted the original challenge you were negative, now you think this is a great thing and it’s a lot of money and you state you are considering it.
Maybe you should take your own advice you so willingly offered to Frank and work on the solution and quit being a problem?
There is nothing wrong with either organization the leaders of all of them are doing the best they can to promote the sport of Offshore Racing. They are all spending their own money to have a race and pay for the fun of others. We do not have to agree with everything they are doing but until you start spending your own money so others can go out and have fun and enjoy there boats be happy that there are still people around that love the sport enough to continue this. The people funding the sport with there hard earned money will finally realize that it is a waste of their efforts if every time they do something they feel is positive and some dip-$hit publicly posts his disapproval. If this complaining continues soon the complainers will run off everyone that is funding the sport and there will be no where to race and by the way maybe the complainers don’t have the wherewithal because they sit around and complain all of the time? I don’t see the funders here bashing the sport?
More to Come>>>>>
10-27-2005 | 08:50 PM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
Part 3>>>
(((((Pete B
Then
Re: Super Cat Challenge
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Is this publish anywhere, on the SBI/APBA/WPR/UIM website??
then what about the rest of the classes will they pay the deals for them as well???
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
thanks i gd, I found it.
I am sure this is a good will gesture but IMO Too little Too late, and to not include the other classes, certainly hurts any chance they have of making this work.
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
What about the 2006 fees? and the 2 race minumum?? the following of the UIM rule??? For the sake of competition would CMS be willing to go over and race OSS Worlds?? The OSS teams would pay his way Im sure.
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
the pic says it all
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DSCN3612.jpg (29.3 KB, 12 views)
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
10K is split between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at each race. for all classes
1st=$5000
2nd=$3500
3rd=$1500
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid))))))
My Reply
Pete B,
I do not know where to start with you. You make 5 negative posts to our offer not sure why but maybe you do not understand English? For starters the offer was from CMS/Castaway not SBIP/APBA so that would have been the reason not to pay for the other classes they do not race in our class so not being an owner of APBA anymore I could careless if they showed up. Speaking of too late 5 months prior to the race not 3 weeks before I thought was in plenty of time, but you could be right?
For the sake of competition CMS has raced in OSS, and will do so again if the dates do not conflict. Although we are faster than the other boats in the class we have not figured out a way to be in 2 places at one time.
To address the specifics of the following “2006 fees? and the 2 race minimum?? the following of the UIM rule???”
No it stated CMS would pay the 2005 fees, they had to have started 2 races in the 2005 season i.e. Worlds or 2 others, following the UIM Rules? Yes it is a UIM World Championship Event; you can not win a World Championship Event unless you follow the rules, duh?
We all know the prize payout for the organizations it is in literature, we are going to pay the Winner of the SC class 10k in cash. There can only be one World Champion, no strings, no 1099, no BS, Just Cash.
((((((Pete B:
Now
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
________________________________________
Thats a lot of cash
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid))))))
My Reply
Well I guess you are catching on, you seem to be slower than others so we can not hold that against you. I wish you the best in St. Pete as well but would ask that in the future if you have a negative opinion about something direct it the individual in private not in a public form or just say nothing and comment on the great things you like about the sport.
“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and people think you are stupid than to open it and prove them right”
((((((Ron P
Now
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
________________________________________
Wow, that's cool, we'll see if CMS and Showtime come to St Pete to try and grab the cash.
__________________
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
Ron P)))))))
My Reply
One of my all time favorites. You write for a magazine and actually I think most of what you write is pretty good. What I can never seem to understand about you is that being a writer you continually have trouble with the English Language when something does not go as you would like to see it go. For instance the fact that APBA awarded separate World Championship at last year’s event. You made a big deal of this like I had something to do with it. It is in the UIM Rulebook that all World Champions must be UIM members to win or hold the title. What’s so hard about that to understand? APBA and now SBIP/APBA offer a the UIM World Championship title to do this we pay a lot of extra money for this and some of the racers want to win a World Recognized title and some don’t. SBIP/APBA this year is under the same guidelines as I was last year that is why all of the racers in the event have to be members. No one was ever dis-invited as you seem to believe or continuously post they just chose not to participate as a group. John did have a lawyer request they remove the venue from their schedule but only after repeated personal requests since they decided not to race their. Nothing more nothing less. As a writer I would expect and un biased opinion based on facts however I see that does not apply to most people that write for our sport and have learned to expect the opposite.
If a racer or organization chooses to not be recognized by a National Authority or an International Authority that does not make them a bad place to race or a good place to race. If they choose to continue a 100 plus year old tradition in our sport that does not make them bad either, just different from the first.
In the future being a writer and all I would at least not act like I do not understand the English language to enable me to post my personal disagreements with the powers to be to try and maintain some type of political correctness because it is not working. I would call the person and discuss the issue face to face and if I did not agree tell them to there face in private not the entire world in public on a daily basis.
There are a lot of others that post negative things about our sport for the entire world to see. Some are racers and some are fans and some are nobodies. If we want our sport to survive we must stop eating our young as a wise old friend once told me. We also must stop eating our old. I had the great pleasure of spending 250k of my personal money in 2004 to have an APBA race schedule and keep the APBA staff in place. Some of the racers were appreciative of the effort but according to the majority voice (Also the Minority Racers or possible not even racers) here on this website it was not good enough. They all feel they could do it better and to this day they are all still the same, all mouth and no action.
I could care less at this point if any of the fans or racers get to go to another event, be seen on TV, or have 100 boats at a race site and I would bet if you continue this the already short list of others will grow shorter and shorter in the future until there are only the whiners and complainers here *****ing about how bad it is to have no sport left.
In the meantime the true racers will be doing what we love to do, race each other every time we get the opportunity. We do not need a race site or a rulebook just water over 18’ deep, 4 markers to turn on, and a person to keep score. Everything else you see at a race site is for the fans or ego maniacs that come and go in this sport every year.
Good luck to everyone at whatever race they choose to race at and be safe this was all started to be fun and it should remain that way.
Bob Bull - Throttles
Super Cat #3
2004 Hall of Champions Inductee
National Champions 2004
National Champions 2005
Current Super Cat SBI Kilo Record Holder
Current Super Cat APBA/UIM Kilo Record Holder
Current Super Cat Chattanooga Kilo Record Holder
Current Super Cat Chatanooga Closed Course Record Holder
Current UIM Offshore Comminoff Member
Current X APBA President (Thank God)
Current and long time Brother to Jim Bull
For James and any other race team in Super Cat the future 2005 World Champion 10k richer. (That's The Plan Anyway?)
(((((Pete B
Then
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
Is this publish anywhere, on the SBI/APBA/WPR/UIM website??
then what about the rest of the classes will they pay the deals for them as well???
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
thanks i gd, I found it.
I am sure this is a good will gesture but IMO Too little Too late, and to not include the other classes, certainly hurts any chance they have of making this work.
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
What about the 2006 fees? and the 2 race minumum?? the following of the UIM rule??? For the sake of competition would CMS be willing to go over and race OSS Worlds?? The OSS teams would pay his way Im sure.
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
the pic says it all
Attached Images
DSCN3612.jpg (29.3 KB, 12 views)
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid
Re: Super Cat Challenge
________________________________________
10K is split between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at each race. for all classes
1st=$5000
2nd=$3500
3rd=$1500
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid))))))
My Reply
Pete B,
I do not know where to start with you. You make 5 negative posts to our offer not sure why but maybe you do not understand English? For starters the offer was from CMS/Castaway not SBIP/APBA so that would have been the reason not to pay for the other classes they do not race in our class so not being an owner of APBA anymore I could careless if they showed up. Speaking of too late 5 months prior to the race not 3 weeks before I thought was in plenty of time, but you could be right?
For the sake of competition CMS has raced in OSS, and will do so again if the dates do not conflict. Although we are faster than the other boats in the class we have not figured out a way to be in 2 places at one time.
To address the specifics of the following “2006 fees? and the 2 race minimum?? the following of the UIM rule???”
No it stated CMS would pay the 2005 fees, they had to have started 2 races in the 2005 season i.e. Worlds or 2 others, following the UIM Rules? Yes it is a UIM World Championship Event; you can not win a World Championship Event unless you follow the rules, duh?
We all know the prize payout for the organizations it is in literature, we are going to pay the Winner of the SC class 10k in cash. There can only be one World Champion, no strings, no 1099, no BS, Just Cash.
((((((Pete B:
Now
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
________________________________________
Thats a lot of cash
__________________
I passed on the Kool-aid))))))
My Reply
Well I guess you are catching on, you seem to be slower than others so we can not hold that against you. I wish you the best in St. Pete as well but would ask that in the future if you have a negative opinion about something direct it the individual in private not in a public form or just say nothing and comment on the great things you like about the sport.
“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and people think you are stupid than to open it and prove them right”
((((((Ron P
Now
Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
________________________________________
Wow, that's cool, we'll see if CMS and Showtime come to St Pete to try and grab the cash.
__________________
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
Ron P)))))))
My Reply
One of my all time favorites. You write for a magazine and actually I think most of what you write is pretty good. What I can never seem to understand about you is that being a writer you continually have trouble with the English Language when something does not go as you would like to see it go. For instance the fact that APBA awarded separate World Championship at last year’s event. You made a big deal of this like I had something to do with it. It is in the UIM Rulebook that all World Champions must be UIM members to win or hold the title. What’s so hard about that to understand? APBA and now SBIP/APBA offer a the UIM World Championship title to do this we pay a lot of extra money for this and some of the racers want to win a World Recognized title and some don’t. SBIP/APBA this year is under the same guidelines as I was last year that is why all of the racers in the event have to be members. No one was ever dis-invited as you seem to believe or continuously post they just chose not to participate as a group. John did have a lawyer request they remove the venue from their schedule but only after repeated personal requests since they decided not to race their. Nothing more nothing less. As a writer I would expect and un biased opinion based on facts however I see that does not apply to most people that write for our sport and have learned to expect the opposite.
If a racer or organization chooses to not be recognized by a National Authority or an International Authority that does not make them a bad place to race or a good place to race. If they choose to continue a 100 plus year old tradition in our sport that does not make them bad either, just different from the first.
In the future being a writer and all I would at least not act like I do not understand the English language to enable me to post my personal disagreements with the powers to be to try and maintain some type of political correctness because it is not working. I would call the person and discuss the issue face to face and if I did not agree tell them to there face in private not the entire world in public on a daily basis.
There are a lot of others that post negative things about our sport for the entire world to see. Some are racers and some are fans and some are nobodies. If we want our sport to survive we must stop eating our young as a wise old friend once told me. We also must stop eating our old. I had the great pleasure of spending 250k of my personal money in 2004 to have an APBA race schedule and keep the APBA staff in place. Some of the racers were appreciative of the effort but according to the majority voice (Also the Minority Racers or possible not even racers) here on this website it was not good enough. They all feel they could do it better and to this day they are all still the same, all mouth and no action.
I could care less at this point if any of the fans or racers get to go to another event, be seen on TV, or have 100 boats at a race site and I would bet if you continue this the already short list of others will grow shorter and shorter in the future until there are only the whiners and complainers here *****ing about how bad it is to have no sport left.
In the meantime the true racers will be doing what we love to do, race each other every time we get the opportunity. We do not need a race site or a rulebook just water over 18’ deep, 4 markers to turn on, and a person to keep score. Everything else you see at a race site is for the fans or ego maniacs that come and go in this sport every year.
Good luck to everyone at whatever race they choose to race at and be safe this was all started to be fun and it should remain that way.
Bob Bull - Throttles
Super Cat #3
2004 Hall of Champions Inductee
National Champions 2004
National Champions 2005
Current Super Cat SBI Kilo Record Holder
Current Super Cat APBA/UIM Kilo Record Holder
Current Super Cat Chattanooga Kilo Record Holder
Current Super Cat Chatanooga Closed Course Record Holder
Current UIM Offshore Comminoff Member
Current X APBA President (Thank God)
Current and long time Brother to Jim Bull
For James and any other race team in Super Cat the future 2005 World Champion 10k richer. (That's The Plan Anyway?)
10-27-2005 | 09:52 PM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
WHEW WHEW!!! 
I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF i'M BEING VERBALLY "SLAPPED" AND THAT WAS PROBABLY THE LONGEST POST I HAVE EVER TRIED TO ABSORB. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT MY OFFER WAS GENUINE AND AS I STATED IT WAS CONCEIVED WHEN I THOUGHT KW WAS A NO GO. ALL I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT IS STIRRING IT UP-STIRRING IT UP. AS FOR MY TEAMS RECORD THE PAST SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, AS FOR the "current" WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR NEW BOAT AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. I'M SURE THAT THIS THREAD WILL CREATE SOME INTEREST IN OUR CLASS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. I FOR ONE SURELY LOOK FORWARD TO US ALL BEING IN ONE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME. I HAD NO IDEA OF ANYTHING THAT YOU QUOTED BY OTHER PEOPLE.(OTHER THAN KNOWING ABOUT YOUR OFFER, AND THE QUOTES ON THIS THREAD) Although I was not aware of the entry fee deal. The whole thing is really quite generous of you. I would certainly take you up on it if it were possible. I was in KW last year and had the pleasure of watching you compete. The 1st race was really a piece of work. KW is is like a mean mistress that you cannot resist going back to for more punishment. I wish we could be there. Please know that my post are meant in no way, directly or indirectly,to be negative to you or your organization.
My faded glory room contains 6 national and a world title from A.P.B.A. and many many memories from that organization. Politics within offshore have existed for as long as I can remember. Unfortunately it has always been a divisive factor and not a uniting cause. I wish you nothing but good things for the A.P.B.A. and you and your team. I truly think that if (And I am hoping ) when we meet on the course, that you are one of the ,if not" the" team to beat. In closing let me add that the O.S.S. has welcomed me with open arms like a lost brother and in my 30 years of boat racing I have never met such a great group of people. I am sure that you would be treated the same as myself if you ever choose to race with these guys. In any case lets just go fast and turn left, good luck and be safe!
Stan Ware
Popeyes Race Team
Currantly thinking of a Cuba Libra at the Pier House
Currantly finishing a poor 4th in OSSCL series
Currantly rebuilding 3 Katrina ragged Popeyes locations
Currantly operating 15 that are repaired
Currantly explaining to my 10 and 14 year old sons why I haven't won this year.
Currantly Being a Father to my now 9lb daughter (up from 2 lb.)
Currantly about to get in trouble with my wife if I don,t get off this computer
P.S. I am coming after "ALL " of your Kilo's
please forgive my typing as I fry chicken for a living
The 34's are WAY short do you have anything in a 38?
BTW Would somebody PLEASE tell me what is the deal with the Kool-Aid?
I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF i'M BEING VERBALLY "SLAPPED" AND THAT WAS PROBABLY THE LONGEST POST I HAVE EVER TRIED TO ABSORB. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT MY OFFER WAS GENUINE AND AS I STATED IT WAS CONCEIVED WHEN I THOUGHT KW WAS A NO GO. ALL I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT IS STIRRING IT UP-STIRRING IT UP. AS FOR MY TEAMS RECORD THE PAST SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, AS FOR the "current" WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR NEW BOAT AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. I'M SURE THAT THIS THREAD WILL CREATE SOME INTEREST IN OUR CLASS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. I FOR ONE SURELY LOOK FORWARD TO US ALL BEING IN ONE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME. I HAD NO IDEA OF ANYTHING THAT YOU QUOTED BY OTHER PEOPLE.(OTHER THAN KNOWING ABOUT YOUR OFFER, AND THE QUOTES ON THIS THREAD) Although I was not aware of the entry fee deal. The whole thing is really quite generous of you. I would certainly take you up on it if it were possible. I was in KW last year and had the pleasure of watching you compete. The 1st race was really a piece of work. KW is is like a mean mistress that you cannot resist going back to for more punishment. I wish we could be there. Please know that my post are meant in no way, directly or indirectly,to be negative to you or your organization.My faded glory room contains 6 national and a world title from A.P.B.A. and many many memories from that organization. Politics within offshore have existed for as long as I can remember. Unfortunately it has always been a divisive factor and not a uniting cause. I wish you nothing but good things for the A.P.B.A. and you and your team. I truly think that if (And I am hoping ) when we meet on the course, that you are one of the ,if not" the" team to beat. In closing let me add that the O.S.S. has welcomed me with open arms like a lost brother and in my 30 years of boat racing I have never met such a great group of people. I am sure that you would be treated the same as myself if you ever choose to race with these guys. In any case lets just go fast and turn left, good luck and be safe!
Stan Ware
Popeyes Race Team
Currantly thinking of a Cuba Libra at the Pier House
Currantly finishing a poor 4th in OSSCL series
Currantly rebuilding 3 Katrina ragged Popeyes locations
Currantly operating 15 that are repaired
Currantly explaining to my 10 and 14 year old sons why I haven't won this year.
Currantly Being a Father to my now 9lb daughter (up from 2 lb.)
Currantly about to get in trouble with my wife if I don,t get off this computer
P.S. I am coming after "ALL " of your Kilo's
please forgive my typing as I fry chicken for a living
The 34's are WAY short do you have anything in a 38?
BTW Would somebody PLEASE tell me what is the deal with the Kool-Aid?
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10-27-2005 | 10:34 PM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
if you need the help im here for whatever you need Stan.you got the boat but watch out for the NEW peppers racing.I will help you in any way first though. dont know if or when but it will come
mike stancombe
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10-28-2005 | 08:01 AM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
Bob, Again
Stan,
Only the first post was directed to you and the other race teams in the class, the 2nd and 3rd was directed to the whiners and complainers that continual tear down the sport. Wether is be OSS, SBI, APBA, OPA, POPRA, or whoever. Everyone here should be ecstatic when anyone holds a race, pays for television, or shows up to participate.
As I stated you are a class act and know you only had good intentions regarding the offer.
I just could not resist re-posting the differences from when I made the offer to when you made the offer. I have only been sitting here reading this stuff for 2 years without responding and had to vent slightly.
As for the props the biggest at this time we have are 36's 5 blades. The last I checked this is the largest size Jim Makes?
You could try a 1:24 ratio? Theoretical speed should increase by 10 MPH same set up less increased slip by about 2-3%.
Not sure about the Koolaid that is from Pete B post?????
Good luck is St. Pete and tell every we said Hi and be safe
Stan,
Only the first post was directed to you and the other race teams in the class, the 2nd and 3rd was directed to the whiners and complainers that continual tear down the sport. Wether is be OSS, SBI, APBA, OPA, POPRA, or whoever. Everyone here should be ecstatic when anyone holds a race, pays for television, or shows up to participate.
As I stated you are a class act and know you only had good intentions regarding the offer.
I just could not resist re-posting the differences from when I made the offer to when you made the offer. I have only been sitting here reading this stuff for 2 years without responding and had to vent slightly.
As for the props the biggest at this time we have are 36's 5 blades. The last I checked this is the largest size Jim Makes?
You could try a 1:24 ratio? Theoretical speed should increase by 10 MPH same set up less increased slip by about 2-3%.
Not sure about the Koolaid that is from Pete B post?????
Good luck is St. Pete and tell every we said Hi and be safe
10-28-2005 | 08:15 AM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
Bob,
I thought about the ratio approach but some new rules include only 150 or 135 ratios for Cat Lite. I think you are right about Jim and I will talk to him about maybe building a set of 37,s custom for me. Thanks for the advice.
Stan
I thought about the ratio approach but some new rules include only 150 or 135 ratios for Cat Lite. I think you are right about Jim and I will talk to him about maybe building a set of 37,s custom for me. Thanks for the advice.
Stan
10-28-2005 | 08:15 AM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
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Bob, Again
Take care, Ben
10-28-2005 | 11:09 AM
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Re: See your 10k and raise you 10k!!!
Hi Bob,
I'm glad to see someone actually reads my dribble and doesn't just look at the pictures. I do try to understand English but sometimes I find it to be challenging, (probably my Italian upbringing) so I do the best I can with what I have to work with.
Your referring to the 28 page KW article from last year when you talk about the UIM world title. I thought my comments accurately reflected the feelings of the fan base. It will sold as a unified title, so I was surprised that it wasn't, as were many others. Had I known up front about the separate UIM titles, I probably would have written it a bit differently. At least it wouldn't have been a surprise this year had a joint race come together again.
I can understand why a "Higher Authority" is a benefit to the sport, so why weren't the NC Kilos run under UIM guidelines? . - According to APBA Detroit. I found that to be strange but never questioned it prior to now
Would you like to write an article for EBM explaining the value of UIM and why people should want to race under that flag? I'm sure you have more insight than I do into that subject.
As for being unbiased, what journalist is completely unbiased? That would be more for a reporter that just reports the news with no commentary. I tried to stay as neutral as possible but when JC made it clear to Jamie Russel (my photographic partner) that he was no longer welcome to take photos of SBI races, it became clear to me that SBI no longer wanted coverage in EBM - Sorry. Ft Lauderdale was my last SBI race. I can't for the life of me understand why SBI wouldn't want as much coverage as possible for it's racers and sponsors? I think my coverage of SBI was as positive and upbeat as any OSS or OPA race, so I don't think JC could be upset with the amount of content or the coverage they received from EBM.
Bob, this sport needs some harmony, and it needs to come from the top down. You did it last year!!!!!!! You know what's involved. Please work to make it happen again for next year. Last year was too good and we're all spoiled because we want it to happen again, and every year in the future. Frankly, I could care less about the two/three different groups, as long as everyone got together in KW for a year end Superbowl. That one end of year race would do a lot for the betterment of the sport and curb the infighting. Just look back at OSO threads from last October - huge difference from this year.
Kool Aid = that term comes from the 60s when Kool Aid would be spiked with LSD and cults would drink it to help solidify their "belief".
Bob, your one of my favorites too and it pains me to miss you and Mitch racing in Key West along with the rest of the SBI fleet. Please explain how OSS was offered to attend KW as a group without doing two SBI starts. My understanding was the group offer was never made. They could come as individual teams as long as they registered with SBI and did the two mandatory starts as per the UIM rules. Of course this was clarified just a few weeks ago.
Have a safe race in Key West and watch out for Showtime.
Ron
Whiner and complainer of the year - 2005
Offshore rookie of the year - US Offshore 1995
New Jersey Champion - Soap Box Derby - 1972
Extreme Boats Magazine - Offshore Editor
I'm glad to see someone actually reads my dribble and doesn't just look at the pictures.
I do try to understand English but sometimes I find it to be challenging, (probably my Italian upbringing) so I do the best I can with what I have to work with. Your referring to the 28 page KW article from last year when you talk about the UIM world title. I thought my comments accurately reflected the feelings of the fan base. It will sold as a unified title, so I was surprised that it wasn't, as were many others. Had I known up front about the separate UIM titles, I probably would have written it a bit differently. At least it wouldn't have been a surprise this year had a joint race come together again.
I can understand why a "Higher Authority" is a benefit to the sport, so why weren't the NC Kilos run under UIM guidelines? . - According to APBA Detroit. I found that to be strange but never questioned it prior to now
Would you like to write an article for EBM explaining the value of UIM and why people should want to race under that flag? I'm sure you have more insight than I do into that subject.
As for being unbiased, what journalist is completely unbiased? That would be more for a reporter that just reports the news with no commentary. I tried to stay as neutral as possible but when JC made it clear to Jamie Russel (my photographic partner) that he was no longer welcome to take photos of SBI races, it became clear to me that SBI no longer wanted coverage in EBM - Sorry. Ft Lauderdale was my last SBI race. I can't for the life of me understand why SBI wouldn't want as much coverage as possible for it's racers and sponsors? I think my coverage of SBI was as positive and upbeat as any OSS or OPA race, so I don't think JC could be upset with the amount of content or the coverage they received from EBM.
Bob, this sport needs some harmony, and it needs to come from the top down. You did it last year!!!!!!! You know what's involved. Please work to make it happen again for next year. Last year was too good and we're all spoiled because we want it to happen again, and every year in the future. Frankly, I could care less about the two/three different groups, as long as everyone got together in KW for a year end Superbowl. That one end of year race would do a lot for the betterment of the sport and curb the infighting. Just look back at OSO threads from last October - huge difference from this year.
Kool Aid = that term comes from the 60s when Kool Aid would be spiked with LSD and cults would drink it to help solidify their "belief".
Bob, your one of my favorites too and it pains me to miss you and Mitch racing in Key West along with the rest of the SBI fleet. Please explain how OSS was offered to attend KW as a group without doing two SBI starts. My understanding was the group offer was never made. They could come as individual teams as long as they registered with SBI and did the two mandatory starts as per the UIM rules. Of course this was clarified just a few weeks ago.
Have a safe race in Key West and watch out for Showtime.
Ron
Whiner and complainer of the year - 2005
Offshore rookie of the year - US Offshore 1995
New Jersey Champion - Soap Box Derby - 1972
Extreme Boats Magazine - Offshore Editor
