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Originally Posted by MANITIE
(Post 2143956)
So like louie said in the earler posts...he his happy and having a great time in P-Class...and so are a lot of other racers... .. OPA dropped the P last year. Just so there is no confusion, Louie races in Class 2 when he races in OPA. :drink: |
Originally Posted by Pete B
(Post 2143868)
When you bought youre boat did you think it was obsolete, when it came out of the mold??? or did you think you would dominate the Competition??
When the Skater Came out with 6's they new it would be fast! that was the intent! I must not be making myself clear - or perhaps you are just hearing what you would like to hear. Most of the Guys I know in Super V are not budget restircted. Most are pretty good setup Guys or have that talent close by, most are passionate about wanting to win - and they have all chosen to stand on the sidelines because they know, not think, they know they won't be competative unless they grind up a boat every 3 months and replace with another. So at least in SPEC V class, it did not work. Not everything is anchored to cost - even though you seem to think so - sometimes the smart people evaluate the cost vs. fun factor and decide to play a different game. If your formula works in SPEC V for your group, where in the heck are all the boats??. Gregg Reichman |
Also rember when the Skater first came out....it fell on its face in its first race in Key West...it took a lot of money and time and changes to get it faster...which it was disqualified in the APBA race for moving strakes... With enough money...any manufacture can make a better and faster boat every year.... [QUOTE]Why did everyone stop racing F1....I will bet you even with the 525...if all the F1 boats could only hit a top speed of say...79 or 80 mph...a lot of boats would have continued to race...but why bring out a 77 mph F1 boat when you have to compete with 83 to 84 mph boats....[QUOTE] one class 3 different motors, this should be obvious! Pete B....you should know the answer... Were are all the OSS Super Vee's and Svl's Its been stated you have the best rules, Stricted inforcements Great race sites Biggest prize money A non profit group Race all around the country.....and yet have the smallest boat count since OSS formed in 2004 One of the reason OSS SCL is so great is becasue most all of the teams have the newest and best equipment...its either a MTI or SKATER It show's you even if you have money...you will not buy racers to come out and spend there's. [QUOTE]Again its funny...someone posted the other day....in the US a lot of racers don't want to race in P-Class becasue its for the beginner racers....but in P1 in Europe its the hottest thing in the World right now and teams are now traveling over there... [QUOTE] Hottest thing in the world, 3 boats out of eleven finished this past weekend in italy. If that is the hottest thing in the world, god help us. What they have is great promotion, and a captive audience, Most Europeans arent buying OL, fountains etc. It is a spectacle to them, they enjoy watching semi's race road course's, Go kart races at major arenas with star F-1 racers. They seek entertainment! [QUOTE]If spec Class was really all of it...we all would be racing in there....[QUOTE] here is a classic quote:Again sorry....but we want this boat to be compeditive right out of the box... DO you know the author?? Thanks...she will be running in the front of the pack soon....and with the teams we are running against in Super V you couldn't ask for better compitition...any of these guys can win on any race day.... The boat handles great....and has great acceleation....which in racing is more important then top end....but we want both... Will be splashing it again in N.C. after the wind tunnel and we will post the new results...no secrets here... Thanks for asking... Wind tunnel testing that sounds expensive Will be in Ft. Myers this weekend... All of these posts were made by you. funny how day in day out you flip flop like a politician, saying what you think people want to hear. The problem here lies that, you cant remember who's A$$ you kissed last week. As for me, I am just somebody that has a passion for the sport, a loyality to my friends, and a camera to catch the action, Here In the GOOD ole USA! P.S. I wasnt a Navy SEAL either!:evilb: |
[QUOTE=Pete B;2144079]Is That so!! you will have to prove that!
[QUOTE]Why did everyone stop racing F1....I will bet you even with the 525...if all the F1 boats could only hit a top speed of say...79 or 80 mph...a lot of boats would have continued to race...but why bring out a 77 mph F1 boat when you have to compete with 83 to 84 mph boats....[QUOTE] one class 3 different motors, this should be obvious! Hmm A new race boat has better technolgy, and is faster, people dont want to race when they know they cant win! Take a look at the super series boats in whole you will find the organzation still has the most! Stan Ware's boat is a 2004 model and is still competitive, even in 2007. Has he upgraded the boat yes, does he test to get the most out his boat yes! Racer is a loose term, competitor would be a better term to use, those that truly want to compete step up to the plate, Again Stan Ware had a hull that didnt run so well, but his goal was to be at the front of the pack, there was a skater available and that's what he bought! [QUOTE]Again its funny...someone posted the other day....in the US a lot of racers don't want to race in P-Class becasue its for the beginner racers....but in P1 in Europe its the hottest thing in the World right now and teams are now traveling over there... [QUOTE] Hottest thing in the world, 3 boats out of eleven finished this past weekend in italy. If that is the hottest thing in the world, god help us. What they have is great promotion, and a captive audience, Most Europeans arent buying OL, fountains etc. It is a spectacle to them, they enjoy watching semi's race road course's, Go kart races at major arenas with star F-1 racers. They seek entertainment! [QUOTE]If spec Class was really all of it...we all would be racing in there.... here is a classic quote:Again sorry....but we want this boat to be compeditive right out of the box... DO you know the author?? Thanks...she will be running in the front of the pack soon....and with the teams we are running against in Super V you couldn't ask for better compitition...any of these guys can win on any race day.... The boat handles great....and has great acceleation....which in racing is more important then top end....but we want both... Will be splashing it again in N.C. after the wind tunnel and we will post the new results...no secrets here... Thanks for asking... Wind tunnel testing that sounds expensive Will be in Ft. Myers this weekend... All of these posts were made by you. funny how day in day out you flip flop like a politician, saying what you think people want to hear. The problem here lies that, you cant remember who's A$$ you kissed last week. As for me, I am just somebody that has a passion for the sport, a loyality to my friends, and a camera to catch the action, Here In the GOOD ole USA! P.S. I wasnt a Navy SEAL either!:evilb: Gregg Reichman |
Originally Posted by bidpro
(Post 2144022)
I did not know how the boat would run since the bottom was unique due to the built in Arneson plates (which have been removed), in addition, I was only the 2nd Super V to attemp to utilize the #6 Drive package and Rick Turmel was just starting to figure that combination out (the only other #6 Drive SV) . I think it goes without saying that it was always my intent to be competative, otherwise I would not have proceeded with the project.
I must not be making myself clear - or perhaps you are just hearing what you would like to hear. Most of the Guys I know in Super V are not budget restircted. Most are pretty good setup Guys or have that talent close by, most are passionate about wanting to win - and they have all chosen to stand on the sidelines because they know, not think, they know they won't be competative unless they grind up a boat every 3 months and replace with another. So at least in SPEC V class, it did not work. Not everything is anchored to cost - even though you seem to think so - sometimes the smart people evaluate the cost vs. fun factor and decide to play a different game. If your formula works in SPEC V for your group, where in the heck are all the boats??. Gregg Reichman R&D on race vehicles is continous in all sports! i would like to believe that racing on a professional level with what ever organzation, you would always try to achieve more performance. I dont think everything is anchored to cost but know when the numbers arent producing the desired results, you have to look at where the program is. As for the fun factor it is obvoius more fun to win, but knowing youre playing the game is just as important. OSS has had the biggest SV class of the year at 5, which wasnt a bad number. Will it make a comeback?? Are teams willing to step in to the ring with Fountain?? His boats have made a bold statement. With many former hulls sitting collecting dust, It is good to see some intrest, but there are already classes established for those boats why create another class??? |
We are currently looking for sponsors for our race team to go racing OPA in 2008. We have complete race team and equipment in place. Just need some funding to go race!!! Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thank you, Johnny Aqua-Holic Racing [email protected] Our boat is a little older, but built very well. Tim Sharkey can attest to that, he laid up the glasswork! Here is a little history on our race boat and team: Our race boat is a 1995 Hydra Powerboats "Spirit" 30' Race Boat. Charlie Benton was the original owner and he was the engine builder for NASCAR’s Alan Kulwicki’s Hooters race team. Charlie had Jack Domick, owner of Hydra Powerboats Inc. out of Toms River, NJ, to put together the hull. Hydra provided superior craftsmanship and materials along with special designs and manufacturing for offshore race boats. Jack Domick had contracted Tim Sharkey to work on the lay-up; Tim was a subcontractor to Hydra. Lay-up was super light and done right!!! Amazing craftsmanship! Roger Munn owned the mold and he called the design “Spirit”. Roger was also Charlie Benton’s throttle man when he raced in 1995 in A-Class as A-60. Boat ran under the name “Tina Maria”, I believe at first and then later as “Team Mean Green”. Once the fiberglass work was done, the boat went to Kurt’s Marine out of Brick, NJ. Kurt’s Marine did some of the major rigging and cut X dimension, the x dimension is extremely high! I believe after that, the boat then went to “Fountain” Powerboats in Washington, NC. There, Jerry Haney did some more rigging and the wiring. Then the boat went back to Charlie’s in Concord, NC where he built the motor and the rest of the rigging was complete. The motor then was a 468/850HP dry sump A-Class motor. The boat then went to Mercury Racing’s Lake X for testing and dialing in. I bought the boat from Charlie Benton in 2002. Soon after that my wife and I had our first baby, so I gave up racing for a bit. I never raced this boat; I bought it to replace my 24 Baja Outlaw that I used to race as P5-69 under the name Team Baja/Full Throttle. Now my daughter is 3 & my boy is 2. We are done having kids and its time to get back into offshore boat racing! So I am getting the boat together now for the 2008 season. I have a very small budget, so it will take some time and help. Plan to run in OPA Series as P-Class boat in 2008. Boat has a very light lay-up, around 4900lbs, might be more lbs after new cockpit configuration and other improvements. Motor is at Wally’s Precision Machine Racing Engines out of Chester, VA. New motor is to run on pump gas, 91 octane. The block is a GM Bow Tie 4-bolt main tall deck-100 over 454 (475CI), will be a fixed/mechanical roller cam, the heads are Reher-Morrison Brodix aluminum CNC ported heads and some additional port work done to the exhaust with a little clean up work done to intake, using Crane Gold racing full roller rockers, oiling system is a Weaver dry sump system with Weaver pump and tank & Mercury Racing SC1000 oil pan, the crank is a LA Enterprise Kryptonite stock 454 length, the rods are Carrillo Rods little longer then stock length (but not stroked) SRP Pistons flat tops at 8 to 1 comp, The Blower Shops 871 with Teflon in the rotors, intake is port matched with Keith Eickert Performance Products intercooler with Cupro-nickel core, 2 Nickerson Performance Marine 980 cfm Blower Carbs, Fluidampr Harmonic Race Balancer, Jesel belt drive system, Keith Eickert Dual Stage Extreme Raw Water Pump and water crossover setup with 2 Keith Eickert sea strainers, offshore water pickup & out drive pickup, MSD 7ML-2, MSD Pro Power Coil & MSD Marine racing distributor, Presolite alt and Tilton starter, CMI Comp SS big tube headers with 4" w/ dry pipes, complete Imco Xtreme Advantage SC1000 drive w/ 1 1/4 “ prop shaft & Mercury Racing HD gimble housing, we will have a Throttle-Up CNC 5 or 6 blade prop recommended by Matt & Julie. We are working with them now, just need the dyno sheet once the motor is done and the boats new weight to give them. Chris Dann, formerly of “Fountain” Powerboats in Washington, NC, who is now working out of Tappahannock, VA along with Thomas Carneal of Tappahannock, VA are doing the rigging of the new motor and the cockpit reconfiguration using PPI high back race seats. Chris Dann will be the crew chief for Aqua-Holic Racing. Johnny Harrison and Thomas Carneal will flip a quarter to see who will be the wheelman and who will be the throttleman. ;) We are currently looking for sponsors for our race team to go racing OPA in 2008. |
Back to the real point Why???????? look how many pclass racers are looking for sponsors, good luck, no tv ,small markets and a potpourri of boats in numerous classes. No one is interested in sponsoring a barbeque. I am not knocking opa just stating the facts all racers face, at this point it is the chicken and the egg story until One organization breaks through with Quality TV and a race that keeps fans interested sponsors will continue to be few and far between. Mike A knew it and was on the right track his plan was to eventually have four or less classes and to race on sunday you had to fit those classes, racers were buying boats to fit those classes for the chance of tv coverage and sponsors and racing that fans could follow,and it was working until the enevitable blow up. I raced pclass and have watched pclass races and you usually can't tell who is racing who let alone who is winning unless amf is there in the turbine. So honetly how will that grow into a paying sport...........its great fun but How/? is the bigger question its all about the money, why is oss boat count down take alook it is mainly the smaller classes svl 5 guys don't have the time or ran out of money, COB same deal or other ventures, SV to many if I can't win why spend my money, some won't run long enough to let parity help so now you think a slow vee class will get them racing , maybe once if they lose back to the moth balls. So HOW do we get money back in racing so racers continue to race is the real question? That it is worth taking the time to race and have sponsors to help new teams get out there. We all know the answer even if we don't like it, less classes with 10 -20 boats and yes only one guy can win, that will attract fans, provide quallity tv and sponsors would follow. A bunch of boats bouncing around the ocean isn't it, a five spec boat class isn't it so until we get it together we are all just moths to a flame until the money runs out.....................
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Hey Pete...or should I say BS...or how else writes for you...
I say this becasue we have always have had discussions without the BS you are writing... But lets see... What happend to Skater when they first brought it out in Key West...well everyone sen what happend...so there is that answer... F1...with 3 engines...it already had 2 engines when I got into it in 2000...the 500 carb and the the 500 efi... So your comment on why OSS has no SV's is " becasue tech is faster and no one want to compete with him.... same as the 525 in F1...see same thing...same results... As far as OSS having the biggest Class in Offshore in SCL... thats great...I tought OSS was about Offshore as a whole not just one Class...the point was...since OSS is run by racers..they of all people should have the biggest count in all Class's since they started...not having less boats then when they started in 03.... The comment was made to the thread which is why are racers not moving to spec class...and I am responding to it... Your comment to Stan W. boat is simple....how much money has Stan W. spent in testing and changes since 04.... We spent 80k in 6 months....with changes...so because Stan has a 04 boat and again...there is only MTI and Skater..and they are make no drastic changes in there boats every year... I'm sure Stan has put in some big money to keep his boat up front...cost money... As far as windtunnels testing...why did we not get to it...simple...we had the boat at Doug's shop for a long time and Langley is up in Va. Its called sponsorship...the wind tunnel cost over 40K for the day....it was free for us for a program I put together...which I can still bring the boat to Langley today to use it... and lets see...P1 in Europe...19 boats in 2 Class's OSS 19 boats in 7 Class's I did not know if 10 boats start a race and only 3 or 4 finish that is not a good Class...so now we judge class's not by how many boats start a race but how many finish... and yes ...we made it to Ft. Myers race...that's right a OSS race..and Gary B. will tell you since I only got the boat a day before the race...we were still making changes...and even though the boat was 10 mph slow then most we still raced...to support another Organization....but as a lot of us are seeing racing in some Organizations to help Offshore as a whole is not worth it.....some Orgs have chased away racers...don't ask me ask them... and this is why I know Pete did not write this... Pete you can call it flip flop or what ever... I race in 3 Organizations last year...paid all equip fees and entry fee's were is that flip Floping...I'm supporting every Org. Just thing...if eveyone Flip Flop as you put it...last year every Org. would have had a bigger boat count... Why is it Pete that OSS racers...and this is spec Class racing... are either racing with other Orgs tis year or not racing at all... I was told that the OSS racers have money and if I didn't have the money to race in Super V...then maybe I should not be racing at all...that came from a OSS board member... and yet I'm still racing and supporting OPA and SBI/APBA and having fun while some of the so called big money racers in a certain Orgs boats are sitting on trailers... Again...Pete or who ever this is....I'm still racing since I started in 2000....7 years straight....what have you done for the sport in the last 7 years.....as a racer..... I asked that question to a OSS board member who always is trying to put down other racers...... tell me Pete which is better for the sport...a racers who has been racing since they started 7 years ago and supporting all Orgs or someone on the side lines just trying to put down racers.... Pete this is one of the reason even some of the OSS racers not to mention some OSS board members don't like with some of the side line guys that rep OSS are saying... again Pete...here I am..racing another year...trying to get the boat count up...taking my own time working with other teams to get them to come back OUT to race...and even using my money to do it.... So Pete....keep working on your side in the OSS camp...and I will keep working with the racers in OPA and SBI/APBA... and you should buy a boat and help support the OSS boat count....its funny how people who dont even own a boat like to tell racers who do how and were we should spend our money....and time...... Sorry...I called it P-Class racing...I should have used Class or bracket racing....sorry louie... Vin...I agree....good TV and a set schedule is a hudge part of it....you can not get a big tv show without a set schedule up front....and yes...its is so much esier when you can go to a sponsor and show them the TV production and how may homes they go into.... |
Johnny,
You will see the Baja is a great boat..I had a 24, 29 and 33 Outlaw....they are good rough water boats...and the Joker boat was a Baja when they started racing in P5... Good luck in 08... |
[QUOTE][Hey Pete...or should I say BS...or how else writes for you/QUOTE]
As always youre Quotes are priceless! tell us about your navy seal adventures! OPPS forgot they are Classified!! |
Vinn,
Its sounds like your not a big fan of what we are doing with the Super V's.....don't get what we are doing wrong...we are not doing away with Super V... I'm only 1 boat...where are all the other Super V's .... we could just sit back and do nothing or get with teams that agree with us and race....if we bring 5 to 8 boats out...and they are happy and want to race and its affordable...why is that a bad thing....I'm not saying its the answer...but if it gets a 5 to 8 boat..its better for the sport....you have raced in both P-Class and spec. why is it so hard to get teams to run with you guys...and I say you guys becasue you can only speak of you class....I know your class are running some older boats....and there are a couple of new ones out there....but were is everyone....we have heard from: money to time to race locations....but is any of this new...when I was in F1 I kept to myself becasue our class was big and we had great tv coverage...I was always hearing guys complain....from SC all the way down...so maybe nothing has changed and never will...I don't know...but if we all just sit back and see how it plays out is not the answer.... But a question should be asked.....there are only so many teams and so many boats....that we can agree on... what is wrong with a spec class and I mean everything...like you guys have engine, drive and gear ratio and wieght.... and also cap the speed....so that older boats don't have to keep putting money into it... You guys keep bring up other pro racing sports....there is money for them to do the things they do...testing, tech inprovements and so on.... What so wrong with capping a speed so that older boats can maintain them....are we out to race against a big fleet or seeing who has the fastest boats....there will always be faster baots every year....so let them do there thing in a class for that...but for racing....why not cap speeds to keep the older fleet racing.... |
Pete....this is a section for racing...you want to talk to me about something else....lets get together....in person...
But don't run...lets talk about my what I wrote to you.... how do you feel that some OSS racers and board members feel about some of you writing things to try to put down racers and they feel its a joke that you guys do... Pete when will you buy another race boat to help the sport out and boat count....and most of all....what have you done as a racer in the last 7 years to help offshore racing...compared to a actuall racer spending there money to make this sport a sport.... Pete you will be suprised on other issues we can discuss...like I said in person....but it won't be the 1st time you have been mislead... What makes you think a non racer making comment about other racers makes you anybody.... I have always given and showed you respect on here... but you have also changed...if this is really you.... Keep up the good work in OSS...and good luck in the RI race.... Call me...sometime.... |
Originally Posted by vinny kostelac
(Post 2144736)
Back to the real point Why???????? look how many pclass racers are looking for sponsors, good luck, no tv ,small markets and a potpourri of boats in numerous classes. No one is interested in sponsoring a barbeque. I am not knocking opa just stating the facts all racers face, at this point it is the chicken and the egg story until One organization breaks through with Quality TV and a race that keeps fans interested sponsors will continue to be few and far between. Mike A knew it and was on the right track his plan was to eventually have four or less classes and to race on sunday you had to fit those classes, racers were buying boats to fit those classes for the chance of tv coverage and sponsors and racing that fans could follow,and it was working until the enevitable blow up. I raced pclass and have watched pclass races and you usually can't tell who is racing who let alone who is winning unless amf is there in the turbine. So honetly how will that grow into a paying sport...........its great fun but How/? is the bigger question its all about the money, why is oss boat count down take alook it is mainly the smaller classes svl 5 guys don't have the time or ran out of money, COB same deal or other ventures, SV to many if I can't win why spend my money, some won't run long enough to let parity help so now you think a slow vee class will get them racing , maybe once if they lose back to the moth balls. So HOW do we get money back in racing so racers continue to race is the real question? That it is worth taking the time to race and have sponsors to help new teams get out there. We all know the answer even if we don't like it, less classes with 10 -20 boats and yes only one guy can win, that will attract fans, provide quallity tv and sponsors would follow. A bunch of boats bouncing around the ocean isn't it, a five spec boat class isn't it so until we get it together we are all just moths to a flame until the money runs out.....................
As for the new class being a "slow" V class, well I am not certain that going into a turn at 100MPH makes you in a slow call but that is what these Guys are doing and will do, I guess you are entitled to that opinion, I have been racing for a logn time, and that is not slow to me. Gregg Reichman |
Originally Posted by MANITIE
(Post 2144864)
and the Joker boat was a Baja when they started racing in P5... Good luck in 08... |
Sorry Brian...I tought Warren's team was always called Joker....
But they raced that Baja for a long time and in some big water...the boat did very well...glad to see you had some glass work done.. Again....good luck in 08 |
Originally Posted by MANITIE
(Post 2145029)
Sorry Brian...I tought Warren's team was always called Joker....
But they raced that Baja for a long time and in some big water...the boat did very well...glad to see you had some glass work done.. Again....good luck in 08 |
As for the new class being a "slow" V class, well I am not certain that going into a turn at 100MPH makes you in a slow call but that is what these Guys are doing and will do, I guess you are entitled to that opinion, I have been racing for a logn time, and that is not slow to me.
Gregg Reichman[/QUOTE] I just find the class unnecessary. Parity is implace already in the P1 model overseas (yeah I liked the photo of the two guys getting their helmets ripped off), the speed adjustments with parity that exist in SV would solve the problems you are pointing out, my question is if it isn't about winning why not have fun the way it is racing for second or third?????? Your new class will ultimately favor the quickest boat and then will everbody quit or will you impose parity on them thus back to where we started SV with parity and yet another wienner. If we keep building classes we will never get to quality tv, fans and sponsors, not knocking your efforts just think we have done this enough, build classes for another winner and never accomplishing the big hurdles........increase the size of the classes in place and even eliminate some, until then the only one making a living is the guy selling all those trophies. Like you said these are all smart guys that obviuosly got tired of spending there money what does this do to solve it? It is a temporary solution to an ongoing problem to many classes. |
gino and everone, remember rocks and glass houses? they dont mix. stop the fight and team up to make this better, this aint helping things at all boys
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Originally Posted by vinny kostelac
(Post 2145059)
As for the new class being a "slow" V class, well I am not certain that going into a turn at 100MPH makes you in a slow call but that is what these Guys are doing and will do, I guess you are entitled to that opinion, I have been racing for a logn time, and that is not slow to me.
Gregg Reichman Vinny: I find your opinion unnecessary - not trying to be a jerk - you just have no upside / downside in this at all. I realize that you are a big OSS supporter and that is fine, the boats that are going to race in the new class are not going to race OSS anyway, isn't it better for them to be racing somewhere, better overall for the Sport?. Did you think the 850 Merc Supercat Class was "necessary" when you had a bun ch of SCL's with 525's and very competative??. Did you support that?? Try to walk a mile in the shoes of one of the Racers who is excited about this new opportunity... maybe you would have some flexibility in your thoughts about it. Gregg Reichman |
Originally Posted by vinny kostelac
(Post 2143440)
is a good thing. Back to the numbers game last year we made over $20,000 in prize money plus mercury contigency, ran our 525 for two years sold it got in a new one for 6k, 3k a year in motor expense, not bad at all! So for us the money spent is way below the fun factor, especially when you figure the value of kicking Randy's ass as price less!
Originally Posted by vinny kostelac
(Post 2144736)
why is oss boat count down take alook it is mainly the smaller classes svl 5 guys don't have the time or ran out of money, COB same deal or other ventures, SV to many if I can't win why spend my money, some won't run long enou.
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Racedad.....I'm just answering racing questions...and commenting on Spec Class racing....compared to P-Class racing and comparing spec class orgs to P-class orgs
Vin...again..you have not talked to the so called slow SV teams....we all know who will be the front runners... Hell, we have a team thats runnning a open cockpit boat and is only running 97 or so mph and they are thrilled about the class....you have taken this so far out of content to now you think if we don't win we won't race....we are talking about taking boats that are 10 to 15 mph slower and racing them against boats that run 100 or less...I raced the last 2 years and was racing against boats that were 10+ mph faster then us and still raced... I don't get it....you guys did it your way...made the rules inforced them and did what you thought was right...and were are you....so if anybody else does anything different...they are hurting the sport.... telling people what won't work but not coming up with a sulution makes no scense....this is a prime example of there will always be whining..... Vinn....I can't beleive you are preaching less class's....you doulble you class's in 2 years....and now becasue another Orgs is working on adding one its all bad.....your kidding right... We have teams commetted....manufactures that like the idea...we would bring in more boats then now...there is no SV class now other then 2 boats....and people are complaining about it.... Vinn... I'm not trying to be a jerk but Smitty was right on when he told you....you should be working on your own class before telling other people what they should do... Again...you raced in both P and spec Class's.....whats the answer....we have racers that are willing to listen to what will work....but we are not going to just sit back and let things fall apart....or spend stupid money every year chasing newer boats.... OPA is working well on Class racing....you will see some of the biggest boat turn out this year and it will be in OPA....bracket racing...why is that... We need to look at whats working and build on that.... I don't know..but the way things are going...its not to stupid to have a spec org and a bracket org and let the racers run.... But like I said....70% or so of Offshore racers are racing in bracket racing this year....so why try to get the majority to go to spec. when they have what they want in Class racing... The tread was started to ask WHY are racers not moving to spec class....well..I'm not against spec racing but the numbers are moving into Class racing...and untill a bunch of racers start moving to spec...bracket racing will have big numbers showing... Gregg is right....forgot about who you race with for a minute....more boats for the sport....and it would be one of the biggest class's in Offshore for this year.. how is that bad...only peopel with agenda's would not want this to work... I said this a while back if we approach OSS and said we have 8+ teams commeted and all meet your safety guide lines can we race with you... thats 8 equip fees, membership fee's, enrty fee's and one of the biggest class's....you guys would have jump on it and said yes...becasue you have no one racing on SV right now....we...the slow ones would be a big part of your show along with other class's.... Lets look at the big picture of Offshore racing as a whole |
Mantee, if you get a bunch to stick with it good luck I just think without money and more rewards then five dollar trophies the burn rate is to quick in our sport. I am trying to build our class, have helped get teams to races, but there has to be more than just getting 5-8 boats out there once or twice and then your back to 2-3 for the rest of the year. Without changes in the overall rewards in boat racing it may be short lived. We have good prize money and people still sit on the bench. Another class just dilutes the prize money wherever you race, if there is any
Shane, we will have tv airing shortly and the money is the best in offshore, do you have a point. Mine is unless you get more boats in less classes what is there to watch? Unless you get more sponsors involved to provide funding for more teams how long will they race? You got out and maybe you'll get back in but without some rewards it will only last so long. Are going to fly bacvk and forth from Ca to race a more costly boat to run with no prize money or tv?I am not cheerleading just stating facts of why? which is universal to the sport to many orgs to many classes not enough thurst in one direction, hell now we have three boats that think it constitutes a series. |
Vinn....I agree with some of your points...but like you are trying to do with your class we are trying to do the same...you and I can not fix offshore but we can make are class's as compeditive and get as many boats out for us to race against....
I think the prise money only dose so much....because you guys are a prime examplele....you guys have the biggest pay out...and still they numbers are not drawing....SCL and SC may always be there....we all know you have to have big pockets or big sponsors to run that class....but like you said STOCK and SVL can be effected by the cost and time factor...which if you look at Offshore as a whole...thats most of us... speaking of prize money its also good if you win...but what if you don't win or place in most of your races...it becomes tough for the small teams....like you said its help a lot for your team winning the prize money..... You and I both know the fix to Offshore racing....but unless the racers just race...we will continue to be were we are today.... I keep bringing this up becasue it was the down fall of Offshore racing in the last 7 years since I have been in it... The racers wanted in 03 for the furture of offshore to have the following: A set schedule put out in Jan. The racers having a say in the rules Prize money being passed out at the end of the races And the continuing big tv coverage.... here we are 4 years later..... everyone can share the blame.... The end result is we still do not have the 80+ boat count at races we use to have....hell not even close.... Some people don't like to admitt to it and take any blame...but thats why we are still talking about this today... Good luck in the rest of your season.... |
Originally Posted by vinny kostelac
(Post 2145251)
... I am trying to build our class,.....I am not cheerleading....
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Originally Posted by MANITIE
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Johnny,
You will see the Baja is a great boat..I had a 24, 29 and 33 Outlaw....they are good rough water boats...and the Joker boat was a Baja when they started racing in P5... Good luck in 08... Johnny won't be running a Baja. He will be racing in a 1995 Hydra Powerboat. It was the last boat I built back then when I did some work for the company. |
Hey Sharkey....from the small pics it looked like a 24 outlaw...
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Maybe because it floats so high in the transom ?
That gives you an idea of how light she is....:drink: |
Originally Posted by MANITIE
(Post 2144864)
Johnny,
You will see the Baja is a great boat..I had a 24, 29 and 33 Outlaw....they are good rough water boats...and the Joker boat was a Baja when they started racing in P5... Good luck in 08... |
Originally Posted by Pete B
(Post 2144194)
I dont think everything is anchored to cost but know when the numbers arent producing the desired results, you have to look at where the program is. As for the fun factor it is obvoius more fun to win, but knowing youre playing the game is just as important.
Nothing personal, but you are speaking with no real knowledge of the subject. - Buy a raceboat, with no idea of what it will be worth next month, much less next year........ - Head to the milling area in a race boat as the "owner" knowing that that it isn't insured for the next 60 minutes........ I was a fan for years, and then I bought a raceboat - my perspective changed quickly! Trust me, you can't "compare notes" with Greg or the other boat owners that have put their money where their mouths are - it's all about risk and reward. Don't preach about it when you haven't taken the risks. In all fairness, it would be like me bashing those of you that have risked their lives in the military - I can pretend to know the risks involved, but actually I will never know. Personally, I choose to respect your efforts and not pretend to know what it is like to be in your shoes. I certainly would never tell soldiers what they could be doing to "make things better". If someone hasn't been there, or isn't willing to go there, then they should just shut up........... |
Phantom....
Its tough to tell if its really Pete writing or someone else hiding behind his name... |
Gino.......it's Pete talking..........really it is. BS has his own screen name.....
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Originally Posted by Phantom1
(Post 2145877)
Pete,
Nothing personal, but you are speaking with no real knowledge of the subject. - Buy a raceboat, with no idea of what it will be worth next month, much less next year........ - Head to the milling area in a race boat as the "owner" knowing that that it isn't insured for the next 60 minutes........ I was a fan for years, and then I bought a raceboat - my perspective changed quickly! Trust me, you can't "compare notes" with Greg or the other boat owners that have put their money where their mouths are - it's all about risk and reward. Don't preach about it when you haven't taken the risks. In all fairness, it would be like me bashing those of you that have risked their lives in the military - I can pretend to know the risks involved, but actually I will never know. Personally, I choose to respect your efforts and not pretend to know what it is like to be in your shoes. I certainly would never tell soldiers what they could be doing to "make things better". If someone hasn't been there, or isn't willing to go there, then they should just shut up........... Gregg Reichman |
Ryan....
Good to know.....nice to see OSS guys doing so much good for the sport.... by the way...will you be racing in Sarasota aginst the SS boats..I know its your back yard... By the way...I tought PeteB owned a race team a while back.....or was he just catching a seat... |
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