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05-30-2007 | 10:26 AM
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Vinn,
Its sounds like your not a big fan of what we are doing with the Super V's.....don't get what we are doing wrong...we are not doing away with Super V...
I'm only 1 boat...where are all the other Super V's ....
we could just sit back and do nothing or get with teams that agree with us and race....if we bring 5 to 8 boats out...and they are happy and want to race and its affordable...why is that a bad thing....I'm not saying its the answer...but if it gets a 5 to 8 boat..its better for the sport....you have raced in both P-Class and spec. why is it so hard to get teams to run with you guys...and I say you guys becasue you can only speak of you class....I know your class are running some older boats....and there are a couple of new ones out there....but were is everyone....we have heard from: money to time to race locations....but is any of this new...when I was in F1 I kept to myself becasue our class was big and we had great tv coverage...I was always hearing guys complain....from SC all the way down...so maybe nothing has changed and never will...I don't know...but if we all just sit back and see how it plays out is not the answer....
But a question should be asked.....there are only so many teams and so many boats....that we can agree on...
what is wrong with a spec class and I mean everything...like you guys have engine, drive and gear ratio and wieght....
and also cap the speed....so that older boats don't have to keep putting money into it...
You guys keep bring up other pro racing sports....there is money for them to do the things they do...testing, tech inprovements and so on....
What so wrong with capping a speed so that older boats can maintain them....are we out to race against a big fleet or seeing who has the fastest boats....there will always be faster baots every year....so let them do there thing in a class for that...but for racing....why not cap speeds to keep the older fleet racing....
Its sounds like your not a big fan of what we are doing with the Super V's.....don't get what we are doing wrong...we are not doing away with Super V...
I'm only 1 boat...where are all the other Super V's ....
we could just sit back and do nothing or get with teams that agree with us and race....if we bring 5 to 8 boats out...and they are happy and want to race and its affordable...why is that a bad thing....I'm not saying its the answer...but if it gets a 5 to 8 boat..its better for the sport....you have raced in both P-Class and spec. why is it so hard to get teams to run with you guys...and I say you guys becasue you can only speak of you class....I know your class are running some older boats....and there are a couple of new ones out there....but were is everyone....we have heard from: money to time to race locations....but is any of this new...when I was in F1 I kept to myself becasue our class was big and we had great tv coverage...I was always hearing guys complain....from SC all the way down...so maybe nothing has changed and never will...I don't know...but if we all just sit back and see how it plays out is not the answer....
But a question should be asked.....there are only so many teams and so many boats....that we can agree on...
what is wrong with a spec class and I mean everything...like you guys have engine, drive and gear ratio and wieght....
and also cap the speed....so that older boats don't have to keep putting money into it...
You guys keep bring up other pro racing sports....there is money for them to do the things they do...testing, tech inprovements and so on....
What so wrong with capping a speed so that older boats can maintain them....are we out to race against a big fleet or seeing who has the fastest boats....there will always be faster baots every year....so let them do there thing in a class for that...but for racing....why not cap speeds to keep the older fleet racing....
05-30-2007 | 10:37 AM
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Pete....this is a section for racing...you want to talk to me about something else....lets get together....in person...
But don't run...lets talk about my what I wrote to you....
how do you feel that some OSS racers and board members feel about some of you writing things to try to put down racers and they feel its a joke that you guys do...
Pete when will you buy another race boat to help the sport out and boat count....and most of all....what have you done as a racer in the last 7 years to help offshore racing...compared to a actuall racer spending there money to make this sport a sport....
Pete you will be suprised on other issues we can discuss...like I said in person....but it won't be the 1st time you have been mislead...
What makes you think a non racer making comment about other racers makes you anybody....
I have always given and showed you respect on here...
but you have also changed...if this is really you....
Keep up the good work in OSS...and good luck in the RI race....
Call me...sometime....
But don't run...lets talk about my what I wrote to you....
how do you feel that some OSS racers and board members feel about some of you writing things to try to put down racers and they feel its a joke that you guys do...
Pete when will you buy another race boat to help the sport out and boat count....and most of all....what have you done as a racer in the last 7 years to help offshore racing...compared to a actuall racer spending there money to make this sport a sport....
Pete you will be suprised on other issues we can discuss...like I said in person....but it won't be the 1st time you have been mislead...
What makes you think a non racer making comment about other racers makes you anybody....
I have always given and showed you respect on here...
but you have also changed...if this is really you....
Keep up the good work in OSS...and good luck in the RI race....
Call me...sometime....
05-30-2007 | 10:53 AM
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Back to the real point Why???????? look how many pclass racers are looking for sponsors, good luck, no tv ,small markets and a potpourri of boats in numerous classes. No one is interested in sponsoring a barbeque. I am not knocking opa just stating the facts all racers face, at this point it is the chicken and the egg story until One organization breaks through with Quality TV and a race that keeps fans interested sponsors will continue to be few and far between. Mike A knew it and was on the right track his plan was to eventually have four or less classes and to race on sunday you had to fit those classes, racers were buying boats to fit those classes for the chance of tv coverage and sponsors and racing that fans could follow,and it was working until the enevitable blow up. I raced pclass and have watched pclass races and you usually can't tell who is racing who let alone who is winning unless amf is there in the turbine. So honetly how will that grow into a paying sport...........its great fun but How/? is the bigger question its all about the money, why is oss boat count down take alook it is mainly the smaller classes svl 5 guys don't have the time or ran out of money, COB same deal or other ventures, SV to many if I can't win why spend my money, some won't run long enough to let parity help so now you think a slow vee class will get them racing , maybe once if they lose back to the moth balls. So HOW do we get money back in racing so racers continue to race is the real question? That it is worth taking the time to race and have sponsors to help new teams get out there. We all know the answer even if we don't like it, less classes with 10 -20 boats and yes only one guy can win, that will attract fans, provide quallity tv and sponsors would follow. A bunch of boats bouncing around the ocean isn't it, a five spec boat class isn't it so until we get it together we are all just moths to a flame until the money runs out.....................
As for the new class being a "slow" V class, well I am not certain that going into a turn at 100MPH makes you in a slow call but that is what these Guys are doing and will do, I guess you are entitled to that opinion, I have been racing for a logn time, and that is not slow to me.
Gregg Reichman
05-30-2007 | 10:59 AM
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05-30-2007 | 11:08 AM
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Sorry Brian...I tought Warren's team was always called Joker....
But they raced that Baja for a long time and in some big water...the boat did very well...glad to see you had some glass work done..
Again....good luck in 08
But they raced that Baja for a long time and in some big water...the boat did very well...glad to see you had some glass work done..
Again....good luck in 08
05-30-2007 | 11:15 AM
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They were "High Priority" and their 28 Joker has been the most dominant race boat in P5 history w/ very few repairs made.
05-30-2007 | 11:26 AM
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As for the new class being a "slow" V class, well I am not certain that going into a turn at 100MPH makes you in a slow call but that is what these Guys are doing and will do, I guess you are entitled to that opinion, I have been racing for a logn time, and that is not slow to me.
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I just find the class unnecessary. Parity is implace already in the P1 model overseas (yeah I liked the photo of the two guys getting their helmets ripped off), the speed adjustments with parity that exist in SV would solve the problems you are pointing out, my question is if it isn't about winning why not have fun the way it is racing for second or third?????? Your new class will ultimately favor the quickest boat and then will everbody quit or will you impose parity on them thus back to where we started SV with parity and yet another wienner. If we keep building classes we will never get to quality tv, fans and sponsors, not knocking your efforts just think we have done this enough, build classes for another winner and never accomplishing the big hurdles........increase the size of the classes in place and even eliminate some, until then the only one making a living is the guy selling all those trophies. Like you said these are all smart guys that obviuosly got tired of spending there money what does this do to solve it? It is a temporary solution to an ongoing problem to many classes.
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I just find the class unnecessary. Parity is implace already in the P1 model overseas (yeah I liked the photo of the two guys getting their helmets ripped off), the speed adjustments with parity that exist in SV would solve the problems you are pointing out, my question is if it isn't about winning why not have fun the way it is racing for second or third?????? Your new class will ultimately favor the quickest boat and then will everbody quit or will you impose parity on them thus back to where we started SV with parity and yet another wienner. If we keep building classes we will never get to quality tv, fans and sponsors, not knocking your efforts just think we have done this enough, build classes for another winner and never accomplishing the big hurdles........increase the size of the classes in place and even eliminate some, until then the only one making a living is the guy selling all those trophies. Like you said these are all smart guys that obviuosly got tired of spending there money what does this do to solve it? It is a temporary solution to an ongoing problem to many classes.
05-30-2007 | 12:13 PM
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As for the new class being a "slow" V class, well I am not certain that going into a turn at 100MPH makes you in a slow call but that is what these Guys are doing and will do, I guess you are entitled to that opinion, I have been racing for a logn time, and that is not slow to me.
Gregg Reichman
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Vinny:
I find your opinion unnecessary - not trying to be a jerk - you just have no upside / downside in this at all. I realize that you are a big OSS supporter and that is fine, the boats that are going to race in the new class are not going to race OSS anyway, isn't it better for them to be racing somewhere, better overall for the Sport?.
Did you think the 850 Merc Supercat Class was "necessary" when you had a bun ch of SCL's with 525's and very competative??. Did you support that??
Try to walk a mile in the shoes of one of the Racers who is excited about this new opportunity... maybe you would have some flexibility in your thoughts about it.
Gregg Reichman
05-30-2007 | 12:14 PM
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is a good thing. Back to the numbers game last year we made over $20,000 in prize money plus mercury contigency, ran our 525 for two years sold it got in a new one for 6k, 3k a year in motor expense, not bad at all! So for us the money spent is way below the fun factor, especially when you figure the value of kicking Randy's ass as price less!
