The rebuild of the Pantera coloured 509
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01-10-2007, 02:24 AM
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Re: The rebuild of the Pantera coloured 509
The carbs are Holley 800's (I'm going to recheck that but I'm pretty sure), boost is about 5psi.
Since there is no water thermostat in the engine I cannot go that route, but I'm thinking of an oil thermostat (like the one on b-stubb's pic) or an oil cooler with built in thermostat.
The head gaskets are Fel-Pro Loc Wire
Yes, I have been keeping that in mind for a while now and will probably realize it now...
All pistons looks real good, doesn't seem to have been any detonation or anything so I'm guessing the rings are ready for retirement.
I still haven't got the pics out of my cam...
Hey Tomas Wallin, I think that the milky ness is pretty normal if your motor runs really cool. As long as the oil is clean and normal I think it's ok. I think it just the condensation building up under the valve cover. I was having the same problem in my 22 classic Donzi with a worked 454. The oil looked great every time I changed it, but there was some chocolate milk type stuff under the valve cover. I went with a higher (180) thermostat to burn off the condensation and it worked. Just throwing in my 2 cents.
Tomas , Have you tore your motor down yet & ifso what kind of headgaskets where on it ? Also was the block oringed & the heads reciever grooved ? The reason I ask is I am putting my Supercharged 511 back togather & I have been doing as much research as I can on my headgaskets because I don't want to deal with the normal leaky copper gasket situation. If I was starting from scratch I would just run a MLS Cometic gasket & be done with it , However since my shortblock is still togather & the block is already ringed I cannot run the MLS so I will be going another route. I have been talking to Dean Gellner from Gellner engenering & I think we have the problem solved. Let me know if your engine is grooved & oringed & ifso I will be glad to pass along any info that I have on the subject. Talk to you later , Scott
All pistons looks real good, doesn't seem to have been any detonation or anything so I'm guessing the rings are ready for retirement.
I still haven't got the pics out of my cam...
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Some pics of the 1st side pistons and heads
There was a little bit of water in some of the pistons on this side... Don't really know how it got there since the exhausts look really fine.
There was a little bit of water in some of the pistons on this side... Don't really know how it got there since the exhausts look really fine.
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The 1st side pistons have much more carbon (or burnt oil) on them than the 2nd side for some reason.
Here's the #3 piston, valves and cylinder wall (the 80% leak down one)
The moisture marks on the wall is probably WD-40
Here's the #3 piston, valves and cylinder wall (the 80% leak down one)
The moisture marks on the wall is probably WD-40
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Edit: The head gaskets did not look fine, clear signs of leakage between cylinders.
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Kind of like this hot:
Altough I'm pretty sure that there was some water flow the whole time because of the pressure from the pickup. It was really steamy in the engine compartment and some water in the bilge when we opened the hatch.
Altough I'm pretty sure that there was some water flow the whole time because of the pressure from the pickup. It was really steamy in the engine compartment and some water in the bilge when we opened the hatch.
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Yeah I would have to agree that is a bit too hot. 
It would be hard to tell exactly when the water got in there , whether it was before or after it got hot. I am not shure how much water pressure if any would be running through the engine with the belt gone. ( someone else will probably know that better than I do. ) I am shure you plan on having everything checked out while it is down but I would make shure that I got those heads cheaked out good ( since it got pretty hot. ) I don't really know any other way that the water would have gotten there besides either reversion , Intake gaskets leaking , Headgaskets leaking , or letting go. Unless the heads have issues due to the heat. Which if I had to gamble I would say that the water was probably comming in from the headgaskets , or poss. the intake gaskets. Although I would lean towards the headgaskets because the leakdown & that it had been there before your last run. Just my 2 cents.
It would be hard to tell exactly when the water got in there , whether it was before or after it got hot. I am not shure how much water pressure if any would be running through the engine with the belt gone. ( someone else will probably know that better than I do. ) I am shure you plan on having everything checked out while it is down but I would make shure that I got those heads cheaked out good ( since it got pretty hot. ) I don't really know any other way that the water would have gotten there besides either reversion , Intake gaskets leaking , Headgaskets leaking , or letting go. Unless the heads have issues due to the heat. Which if I had to gamble I would say that the water was probably comming in from the headgaskets , or poss. the intake gaskets. Although I would lean towards the headgaskets because the leakdown & that it had been there before your last run. Just my 2 cents.
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