Twin staggered 28???
 

Hi was there ever a twin staggered motor 28 pantera ever built? And if not could it be possible? I know it prob. will not meet any racing standards, but could be a kick ass poker run boat.

I built one back in early 80's. Today you could build one w/ Bravos and small block Raylars, it would be an awesome boat.
It would fit in P class racing.
Later,
pp

Thanks for the reply Jo. The one that you built in the 80's was there plenty of room left for passengers?

Wow I just looked at the Raylar motor the LSM 550 pretty cool package same size as a small block but with 450 cu.in.

That one had a 3 man bolster.
pp

Any pics of it?!:D

With the new 28SR being built I would think that a 700 SCi package would be the ticket for a poker run hot rod! :cool-smiley-011:

yup, a 700 nxt 28 would be the chit. Great in a 28 active thunder too.

The twin staggard 28 would have ZERO room for anything but the people sitting in the front....thus the three man bolster.

did anyone ever get to ride in the first 28sr that was built in 2008 , it's the same one at ducky's boat's
thank's
mike

real chit
 

yup, a 700 nxt 28 would be the chit. Great in a 28 active thunder too.

The twin staggard 28 would have ZERO room for anything but the people sitting in the front....thus the three man bolster.


No im sorry to say the real set up would be the new mercury 1100 tt with ssm6. Should be very reliable kick a$$ boat

Bad A$$ Pantera
 

Wait maybe mercury racing 1350 and m8 in a 28ts would be better. This way no excuses of not enough power ever. If I had the money thats what I would order from Joe and Mr Pepe

perfect 28sr
 

The best looking and maybe the fastest 28SR would be a nicely painted boat without rubrail like the pantera race boat with alot of carbon fiber parts . The motor could be any of the mercury racing engines with power level above 1000 with SSM6 or the M8. I think it should run 100+ easily if wanted. I have been in 800hp pantera single and I have been in twin 500hp I like the way the single felt in more ways than the twin. But the twin would turn around like it was on rails.

nice i liked the 800hp w/3a poker run boat with the panther on the side. I talked to Pepe two weeks ago and he said it sold to somewhere in N.Y.

+1, would love to see the cockpit pics, and rear deck.

comment?
 

no comments on the big powered 28sr? anybody? Scared???

That boat is Beautiful. Awesome boat. I can stop by and take some pics for you if I can't find ones I have already taken.

28sr
 

I almost got the chance to ride in it when it was just completed. But maybe God didnt intend for me to do that because I might have robbed a bank or something so I could buy it asap. I still would love to get it now but business is slow

Why a twin 28?? With today's engines a single 1000HP on a SSM#6 is the right way to go.

To make a "seamless" 28SR Pepe & JO have look on a complete new deck and cut down the hull sides. Make a sitdown boat with just a halfcabin with entrance from a hatch on deck. Side to side dash as well.
There you have my Pantera 28SR Race/PR ;)
That's my opinion


Mange

So when would you like to place your order?
rgds,
pp.

Jo got the pics of the 41 the other day, BEAUTIFUL boat!

Still got the 28sr stuck in my head....too bad worlds wasnt another month or two away to make it even somewhat feasible! We work better under deadlines! LOL

Any of these big single engine pantera dreamers are going to have some serious torque steer. Twins are the way to go.

Mange we have discussed this so many times...

Maybe someone wants to come home also on their own power...

This is the same ? as for a triple vs twins on an endurance racer.. with triples you loose an engine and still might stay on plane with two running, try that with a twin on one engine...
More the engines the safer, but whatdoIknow...

+1

Add this to my list also.

Pepe, what's up

I was in US few weeks ago and did my move on a 32 Activator with single 930hp on #6 drive.
When I'm done with that one I want my 28+ SR Race seamless sit down cut down edition.
I allready have a new 1100hp...

Mika, with all respect and I know you have a lot knowledge.
BUT, if we are talking about a "modern" 28 offshore what the 28SR is so please forget twin setup.
If you break the big power single, wtf hook up the 9.9hp outbord on a bracket and you will hit the shore soon. It's 2011 now!!!

hahahahaha:lolhit: good one Mange...single is the way to go.

28sr
 

(Any of these big single engine pantera dreamers are going to have some serious torque steer. Twins are the way to go.)


Yes twins are great in very many ways but for some people like me who live on a river then a single big powered 28 would work just fine. And also I have some guys passing my house in some skater cats that need to be put in there place. Also I will be taking it to bigger waters once in a while so therefore I will one day have the best of both worlds not saying I will beat the skaters but I will make them push theres to the limit. I think a twin turbo 598 or 632 should give them a real run for there money and the twin step should work well in fresh water

I would like to know if twin 525s have yet been put in the stepped 28 SR and if so, what are the performance figures?

Any official estimate(s) barring the existence of real data?

I talked with Joe about that setup,he says 90 which I believe to be a realistic number

Your dreaming, you'll get smoked. That single engine will be a dog out of the hole. You'll need the twins to beat them out of the hole and stay on top. There are no free lunches in this sport. That big engine motor will cost just as much, maybe more, then two mild big blocks. Then you have drive issues to worry about. Assuming you get it all to run reliably you'll still have massive torque steer, which will take the pleasure and relaxation out of driving the boat. Trust me, read the threads of all the people that tried to put big power into their 28 single Pantera. Most all ended up with nothing but problems and the only good speed numbers came out of the race setup panteras.

ok
 

OK (texomapowerboater) you have a point twins like these would be great http://www.flickr.com/photos/4383583...622639554540//

twin ls all aluminum motors 720hp each

Big power in a single causes issues, you need to run a larger pitch prop which in turn rolls the boat. The you need tab to counter, scrubbing speed.

The only big engine singe that did it was a race lay up light 28. Nothing wrong with the hull, but the big pitch acts like a paddle.

Trust me, been there, done that!!

Twin built small blocks would be a better idea.

What do you think of these in a 28sr?

http://www.mercruiserparts.com/400_scorpion.htm

I have own (in my world) a big power 28 w/o any of what you talking about. put your a** in a "modern" boat and you will see for you self. The 28SR with the t/s bottom will work just fine with a single big HP engine. I would love to see it with 662hp/or 700hp NXT-drive.

I was using my 28 Arrow with a stock XR-drive and run more than 2000 nautic miles w/o any kind of failures. 875 blower engine. But I use foot throttle and a big drive shower, own design ;) Oil changes every 10-15 hours.

BUT, I love the 28 Apache race that the guy Eric had ;)

Mange

big hp
 

Elite marine didnt you have a 28 pantera for sale a few years ago without power? What ever happened with that boat? Now back to single engine pantera. I plan on running SSM6 not any week bravo style unit And possibly a 2speed transmission. I know what you mean by torque steer but with a ssm6 you think the boat is still going to roll? I rode in the single engine pantera with 800hp blower motor with ssm3 at 86mph and didnt notice and roll.

Jo, i know in the other thread you said you never built one, but this is what made me think you did.

I started wondering about whether or not its possible to have a full stagger setup in the new TS hull a while ago?

Seems to be an awesome idea for a twin setup in a smaller boat.. who cares if you loose the back seat, I don't like that many people riding with me anyways... that's my dream boat.. 30ft or less, built like a brick chit house, staggard twins, and 90+. Sounds perfect!

If prop is the problem why not run 1.36 ratio? Ran that in my phantom and it got on plane fine. Just the wrong combo with just a 700hp na motor. If i was building more power it would have stayed.

Maybe my Father built one in the early days.

JO

It can be done. The rear bulkhead would need to re-glassed forward but we do this type of modification when we do outboards on the 28' model and go with the extended cockpit option.There still would a good size cockpit area in the 28' model.

It would be an awesome set up.

JO

Understatement of the day!!! :drink: