Ok I will back off.:cool:

You dont get what I am saying and keep taking offense to things you shouldnt be upset about. :ernaehrung004:



PS--Hey Airpacker , who you callin' Nancy??? Cant you be nice to a guy whose dad wants to kill him for blowing up his Z06?;)
He is even writing death threats on the toilet paper with little drawings of me burning in fires, hanging, etc.....I am getting pretty scared--might have to try and get him first.....

I don't know anything about Python, however when shopping for my first boat about 8 years ago ( Accomplished 22 year old at the time :drink:) based on the advise from people much better educated then I was about boating at that time, I kept getting pointed to the 24 Pantera. Obviously growing up in Miami where offshore is a part of the culture and heritage there was no shortage on great advise. The 24 Pantera made me a believer and I later moved up to a 28 Pantera as a result. Pantera as a company welcomed me as a Pantera owner even though I purchased the boats used. Their customer service towards me was always exceptional. I don't know the performance comparison on what the Pantera can do that the Python can't but I can tell you what won't happen, You will never have to justify what you have like you are doing now, and when you need to sell it you will have the value and a following of respect of the product with out people asking what the hell kind of boat it is or what is it a copy of or compared to. The 24 Pantera has a heritage that includes world records and still races today. They built their name based on how they built their product. When I sold my 28 it took less than 3 weeks and although I priced it aggressive I still made $$$ on it. Maybe one day when all of the real proud Python owners come forward and they create a Python forum you can fire back. In the mean time, know enough to know that you don't know. Your off to great start, most people get a 20"cc to bang up, like myself you are running before you can crawl so enjoy what you have and your experience will teach you where to go. Although your claimed speeds seem questionable I would recommend that you focus on learning how to trim and throttle at those speeds and hope you don't de-laminate at over 75mph on your 1st boat that your are learning on, its more important to handle what you have then to argue if its better. Best Wishes , PS: Please post a pic of your boat so we can all keep our families safe while your learning. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bromaguire;2678271] I bought a less expensive bought because as I have said its my first boat and I don't have that much experience yet. If I hit a new 200,000 boat into the dock I would be pissed, if I I bump mine into the dock I just laugh it off as a learning experience.QUOTE]

if its a learning boat then why do you care about the difference between them both, my opinion is take it for what it is, a learning boat and bang it in to docks,sandbars, etc. Just not boaters and by the way I also started with my own boat at 18 in high school but I made a better choice I bought a Pantera........

by the way your comparison of the looks and there capabilities doesnt always work, for example: a Rolex and Invicta watches, both look the same both are great and serve the same purpose. Now this is were it gets interesting, the Rolex is better made and will cost alot more (more people rather have the Rolex thus the resale value) but at the time of selling, you know what you have and dont have to tell everyone of how great it and how it looks like a Rolex.

Keep in mind imitation if the best form of flattering.......

Had both boat down to their bare hulls. The pantera's build is way better and straight. The python/vector was chopper gun and cheaper gel coat etc. and the boat was not straight and had different sized, uneven stakes on it. I sold it right after i finished it.

Your missing my point. For everything you list, there is someone on this site that has 10x that. Its called life. There will always be someone with more, with a hotter girl, bigger house, nice boat, etc. Sometimes keeping your mouth shut prevents a pointless arguement. As soon as you "defended" yourself regarding the Honda, you opened yourself up to another attack. Who cares if he thinks you drive a Honda? You know you dont, isnt that enough?

You will soon learn what people think about you and your material items means nothing in the grand scheme of things. From defending your job, boat, owning a house, etc, you seem to have an awfully large chip on your shoulder....

And if you bought your boat as a learning tool, then why are you so interested in claiming similarities to a clearly superior boat? You might have more money, cars, etc than the typical 21 year old, but your posts clearly show your attititude is on par with most younger folks that age...

Out of curiousity, what line of work are you in?

[QUOTE=lowblue320;2678481]LMAO, Hey Andy, great comparison, also congrats on the new speeds, let me know when you try the herrings, listen as a friend I must warn you there is a guy out there in a 24 Python with training wheels on it going over 70, Beware of the Python!!!:eek:

Heres a little difference from NADA 2003 last year of Python

2003 PANTERA PANTERA 24

September 08, 2008
Boats and Personal Watercraft
Length: 24'
Model Name/Description: PANTERA 24
Boat Type: Stern Drive Power Boat
Hull Material: Fiberglass

Beam: 7'
Engine: 1
425 HP
Gasoline
Net Weight: 4000
PRICING
Low Retail Average Retail
Base Price
$44,230 $50,550
TOTAL PRICE $44,230 $50,550

2003 PYTHON BOATS INC SPORT CUDDY
September 08, 2008
Boats and Personal Watercraft
Length: 24'
Model Name/Description: SPORT CUDDY
Boat Type: Stern Drive Power Boat
Hull Material: Fiberglass

Beam: 7'
Engine: 1
385 HP
Gasoline
Net Weight: 3400

Low Retail Average Retail
Base Price
$24,360 $27,810
TOTAL PRICE $24,360 $27,810

Does the Python have the small padded keel like the 24 Pantera has?

The older Panteras had a pad. My '99 did not.

"24 Python with training wheels on it going over 70"....that cracked me up!!

My prev '79 had a pad, also the '95 what I have now got the pad.


Mange

Are you sure about that? :D

As far as I know the Pantera 24 still has the small pad.

Pythons for the most part had pads and some larger than others. After owning a 24 for 8 years and selling it for exactly what I paid for it and used it to the limits I can say this. Resale is good because new it cost less almost half in 2003. No the quality was not the same but why over build a boat and charge double one could afford to break it several times for an extra 40k. Mine was an 89 and I put a transom and stringers in it after 3 years owning and sinking twice.( had 13 people on it the first time and left in water with bad bellow the second) The boat ran and ran hard. With a 415hp 502 and a 25p mirage 3 blade it would GPS at 77 and always 75. The boat was my first and has jumped every cruiser wake on lanier and not just crossed I mean ran like a seadoo. I cracked the hull at the chine on the port after hitting a log after a storm and a "friend" did not repair it right but once I fixed it myself it was fine. So in conclusion it is not a Pantera but a Pantera is like a Apache because of heritage and fetch a higher value because of this. I own a set of 41 Apache molds but I know if I build one user newer materials and better lamination there will always be somebody that says "well it sure is not an Apache" It is all preference so don't knock the Python and I won't bash a Pantera.
It's a boat and to each his own.
Let's also have a little respect for Jim Clark that built the pythons and passed a few years ago he was a friend and a legend on Lake Lanier.

Beau Renfroe

I can`t comment on build quality of a Pantera as I`ve never seen one in person.

I will say this --

My 24 Python = no stress cracks . . .

My 31 Sutphen = several stress cracks . . .

Vary interesting thread. The Pantera following can be vary passionate and a little, well... Hell, that’s why we post though right?
We've had (3) 24' X 7' boats in the family and they all had plusses and minuses...
1980 24' Excalibur (Dad's)
1989 24' Pantera
1997 24' Superboat
I've also stuck my head in the bilge of others including a Python, Condor, and Monza.
So, I would consider myself fairly educated when it comes to these boats.
IMHO, if you are going to run hard in rough water, a Pantera will hold up better than the others. They are not indestructible by any stretch of the imagination though. I broke mine twice during the 125 hours I put on it and I boat with a fellow that has had his repaired a number of times.
These hulls are a lot of fun in all type of water. Be safe and happy boating!

Hey Pat,

Yes, they all break with the way we run them, but nothing like the way that super did:eek: Just kidding, a superboat is probably as good as some of the others, my 1981 Pantera had plenty of stress cracks when I bought it, and I am sure if I ran it like you guys do before fixing it, the deck would have done the same thing, but then again, it is an '81, not a '97.

Come to the east coast of FL next time, and I'll show ya one:drink:

Good luck with the storm buddy, be safe.

.....and because I'm lazy and didn't do a search, what is the history of Python boats? Was the 24 the only one they made? Any of them ever powered with 2-smokes? I recently ran across a 1988 hull, it HAD a big block in it, but it's a bare hull under cover right now. Was wondering if it would be a worthy project.

PM rbr2328, he will tell you everything you want to know about python boats.