24 Pantera vs 24 Python
 

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Originally Posted by Bromaguire View Post
First off I didn't come into this thread saying my python could out perform any other boat. I only said, "I just bought a 24' Python which is the same hull as the pantera and its awesome. Its my first boat its great in rough water and hits 75mph with the 454. Lots of fun so far." Doesn't seem like I am implying my boat is better or worse than any other boats, just that I like mine and I am happy with it. Honestly you can come at me saying I put down your almighty pantera but I only defened myself when another member decided they felt it neccessary to point out that my boat is as good as a pantera.

I don't think a pantera would be any better for me either. I am just figuring out boating and clearly don't have the experience to notice what I would assume is just a more solid hull that the pantera provides would do for me. I didn't buy my boat for racing so weather or not it was built for that doesn't do anything for me because I won't be racing it.

Since you guys feel that the pantera is such a superior boat capable of things my Python couldn't do would someone educate me and point out a few things I would be able to accomplish in a 24' pantera that I couldn't do with my 24' python?




For your intentions of boating, and what you expect out of it - no difference between the two.

A Pantera has heritage, a pedigree if you will, that comes with it.
It has a History that goes back to Thunderboat row. (That's 188th St. in the late 70's early 80's)
Idle up to the docks with all the big guys in a Gun, or an Apache, or...whatever else is hanging out that day. In a Pantera, you'll get some respect.
Idle up in a Python, just not quite the same.

Not that any of this makes your Python a bad boat by any means

Oh dayum you're an instigator!

24 Python is a good boat.

24 Pantera is built like a brick chit house, has a proven track record in rough water, is rigged excellent and with good stuff(K-planes, MM steering, etc) and it's built like a brick chithouse. :D

Bromaguire, Pantera owners are very proud(maybe too proud?) so we can be a little touchy sometimes. Like buoyhunter stated there is history with our boats. The main reason I come to OSO is for the Pantera forum. I rarely browse the other sections.

Python makes a great boat and you should enjoy it!

For someone to say that a 24 Python is the exact same hull as a Pantera is wrong.

to say it can do everything a Pantera can do is incorrect.

to say you are 21 years old and this is your first boat and then expect people on this board to respect your opinion regarding the aforementioned statements is laughable

I am young too dude, I have my first boat too, I also dont know what I am talking about. The difference is that I dont pretend to or try to make statements unless I am SURE that I am correct because the guys on this forum know ALOT about offshore boats and in this area they all know Panteras. my post in the other thread was not trying to bash you, I was trying to help you. For you to get so bent out of shape and say we are 'coming at you' is not a good way to respond. Noone is attacking you. Trying to help you and teach you a bit of forum etiquette is the goal.

Lastly, saying that Panteras are not comparable to a rolex is a shot at all of the owners. I understand what you mean but that is a shot nonetheless.

Lets just say your boat is like a Corvette compared to a Z06. Looks similar, but very different animal when it is pushed to its limits with the right person driving.

you guys are gona beat him up so bad he won't come back:eek:

Hey, I'm being nice! :D

ar15 is gonna scare him off!

Very well spoken.
I was also trying to come up with an analogy.
Best I could come up with is:
I recently bought a Chevy Avalanche for a haul vehicle, nice truck, but it's not an Escalade Caddy.
(HEH, but mines a 2500 - the Escalade only makes a 1500):grinser010:
I don't think either one of us truly hit the point we're trying to make with him, but I'd be willing to bet that you understand what I'm trying to say.

I don't think so.
I just don't think he's grasping the knowledge that is available to him on this board.
I was afraid to even post a comment for the first year or two that I was here (and I've been here awhile) because I was overwhelmed by the knowledge that some of these guys have. I took the time to learn before making a fool of myself.
Now, I just take pleasure in making a fool of myself.:drink:

I think what everyone is trying to say here is that just because they come out of a very similar mold, they aren't necessarily built the same. Material quality, size and placement of stringers in the hull, fiberglass thickness, skill of the person putting it together, shape and type of deck, whether or not it has a full cockpit liner, and many other variables distinguish one brand of boat from another even though they look very similar. The final products can vary greatly in strength and handling based on what's inside, not just outside. What everybody here is saying is that Pantera has been around for a long time, and has made the 24 for a long time, and they are known for the quality of the inside and out. I really know nothing about the Python, so I can't comment on that.

I think we can all agree that Pantera makes the 2nd best 24x7 boat around :drink:

Careful!

I was thinking the same thing - just to give him hell.

Kirk, I'll be calling you soon to work out some gauges. Work has made this summer a complete waste, and major set back in my project.

http://panteraboats.com/ownersgallery.html


Take a look throught the owners gallery, Res ipsa loquitur!!! almost named my boat that.

Didnt mean to ruffle the guy, just a lil warm up for life, corporatate america, lawyers, conference calls, paying women to leave.

lifes tough, wear a helmet

2 words..................

build quality!!!

or maybe...........

build consistency!!!

the Python is a great boat, but simply put, not built with the same pride as Pepe put into his 24, nuff said.

Never heard of a Pantera coming apart. Can't say the same for a Python.
However, under similar power they are fast due to their weight.
In average conditions a Python would be fine and as good as many other manufacturers.
It boils down to construction and many things that are not readily apparent on the surface. It's when you get out into extreme conditions that there really is a difference. It is an obvious difference in a very well constructed boat when things get rough.
If you want a boat built to handle race conditions. Pantera is one of the manufacturers that will do it with every boat they make.:ernaehrung004:
Greg

Oh cmon now! Just trying to ruffle a few feathers myself!:evilb:

The Pantera forum is like a hornets nest. You have to be very careful what you say! :drink:

OK, Here's my quick and dirty lithmus test of if a boat has "stones".
Did the boat ever come factory equipped with a full Life-line cable down the deck.
Mine did.
That is REAL offshore in my book.
It was there for a reason.
When I see pictures from the races "back-in-the-day" of two, somtimes all three guys laying on the deck just to get the boat on plane, because something broke, and they wanted to finish - no, WIN - the race...
That takes "Stones".
That is the difference between a Pantera and a python.
Are you starting to get it yet??

Why don't you back off bud. It was one of your fellow members that took a stab at me. My first comment in the other thread only said that I like my new boat and that he should get a Pantera. Then one of your members felt it necessary to tell me my boat wasn't as good as a pantera. But if its not as good as a pantera and I like mine then the guy who was looking for a pantera would probably be even happier with one.

I don't think my age has any thing to do with others respecting me. I didn't come in here looking to start problems, I came to learn a few things about some fast boats.

Age is a factor...thats why ya start in the mail room and drive the hot rodded hondas while the big boys have the corner office with the german cars. No disrespect you got a great boat for your first one way ahead of most guys.

Or maybe I sit in a coner office already and drive a Denali and a modded BMW M3. I've work my @ss off to earn what I have made so far and I work in a field where I hold a higher ranking postion then men older than my own father. Just because I am 21 doesn't mean that I am dumb or should be treated any differently.

One word Respect, It's got to be earned. Not doing a bang up job of it so far. From the above statement you may think you hold a higher rank than people older than your father but I guarantee with the attitude your looked down upon. Been there done that fun to throw the little f**kers under the bus when the times right. - Bottom line this is a boating forum for a brand not a pissing and moaning match because Mary's generic Barbie doll is just as good a real one. Enjoy your boat, be safe and have fun.

I think we can all agree that Pantera makes the 2nd best 24x7 boat around :drink:[/QUOTE]

Got a chuckle from that one! :drink:

wow, you guys are a touchy bunch of boaters. Good thing the pyhon owner didn't say panteras suck or there would have been a real life lynching. Geeeesh.

All the kid said was he liked his boat, its the same hull design, it can DO what a pantera can do and you went off on him like he killed your dog and humped your old lady.

So, what EXACTLY can a pantera do that a python can not do. Be very specific here fellas. The way I see it, they both can float, move forward, backwards and if it all goes to heck, downwards. So, go ahead and educate me, I'm all ears.

You better be able to back up your bravado with good information and facts. Otherwise, you look a little foolish here.

PS, bromaguire, enjoy your boat. Your young and already beyond where most boaters I know started out so just blow off what these nancies are saying to ya and learn to be a good, safe boater. You will always run into BIGGUS DICKUS syndromme around boaters. Thats just a fact but usually, they are the ones sitting on their ( better than everyone else's) boats drinkin alone while everyone else parties together on the dock.

Resale!!!!!

Actually I find Pantera owners very friendly and not "BIGGUS DICKUS" at all. I've owned my boat for 3 years and I just had a friend go to the website a few weeks ago and he was shocked at how much history there was behind the boats.

There is a lot more to a boat than just floating and moving. If there wasn't we would ll be driving pontoons.

There aren't many boats in the size range that can keep up when the water gets rough AND hold together. Plenty of information and facts out there to back that up.

It was Bromaguire's very first post and he came into this forum and said his boat is EXACTLY the same hull and could do anything a Pantera could do. Now, I don't think he did this on purpose at all but some people may have taken it that way.

For the average boater they will never know the difference. For the guy that pushes the limits he definitely will. I will be the first to admit I could have bought another 24/7 boat and it would have met my expectations 90% of the time. But there has been that 10%(Lake Michigan) when I really appreciated what my boat could do. But many Pantera owners push their boats regularly and that's why they bought a Pantera. The Corvette analogy was perfect IMO.

Bottom line, not all 24/7 boats are created equal. Bromaguire a Python is a nice boat and they are fast. Go enjoy it!

As a previous owner of a 24 python I think your all HALF full of chit. :):evilb:My boat handled great in the ruff.......thats when it shined. I could handle 3's......but not 4's.....never had any stress cracks. I also think its a faster boat. Started up and ran great every time. I agree the build quality is better on the pantera and the price usually reflects that.....but not comparable to a rolex.

Python raced boats too.

bromaguire - welcome to OSO, I was 24.....only 3 years ago when I bought mine and I realize what it takes to do that - much respect.

Personally I thought the cockpit layout and the dash were better on the python, but since I've never been on a 24 pantera......I'm just going by the pics. Blast away gentleman :hitfan:

cockpit, dash. Original 1992

Thanks for the support. All I did was say that I liked my new boat and that it was a lot of fun. I was more or less reccomending the pantera because I knew it was built a little better than mine and if I like mine this much; one built even better would be even better to have.

I asked that question too what exactly it is that the Pantera can do that mine can't. I have had mine out in waves up to 4 or so feet and its still here so its not falling apart as some of you are immplying. I was pushing it hard thurs. in 2-3 chop and was able to take it up to a little over 70 and it felt solid to me.

So in my first post I said the boats were exactly the same and could anything a Pantera could do? "I just bought a 24' Python which is the same hull as the pantera and its awesome. Its my first boat its great in rough water and hits 75mph with the 454. Lots of fun so far." My statement was a broad statement and it is correct. Are the exterior hull designs not practically the same? They may be built different but they come from the same molds. I have been pushing my boat hard and they're no stress cracks on it from before I owned it and none since I have.

I would agree with you. I've had my boat out in 3 footers and I have only been impressed so far by how well it does in the rough waters. I noticed also that quite a few 24' panteras don't come with cabins and while although mine isn't the biggest it was definatly a plus for me when I was looking for a boat.

All 24/7 boats do not come from the same mold. They are not all built the same. I don't know how many times I need to say this.

The Python is a nice boat, but it does not have the build quality a Pantera has, period. I am not trying to be rude or knocking your boat. Baja makes a good boat too, but it's not the same quality as a Cigarette. Let's try going in the Cigarette forum and stating "My Baja can do everything a Cigarette can do" and see how that goes over? Or better yet try the Apache forum! :party-smiley-004: :D

Yes, people did get some feathers ruffled and I knew this thread was a disaster waiting to happen. LOL I was trying to be polite in my threads but I see that didn't do any good. :D

Bromaguire,
You will have a great time with that boat. They were built here and I see them all the time. I have several freinds that have had Python 24s over the years.
You can get all kinds of great information on this forum. Hope to see you on here.
Greg

HAHA, yeah, try that in the Cig or Apache forum, NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY!!!:food-smiley-007:

Seriously, I don't think anyone went too rough on Bromaguire. He came to the board stating that he was young and doesn't know that much about offshore boats yet, but he loves his Python. Cool .
Having a performance boat at 21 is quite an accomplishment.
It took me until I was 24yrs before I bought a 25 Baja - and man, I thought I just entered the Offshore/Go-Fast world.
By stating he didn't know that much, I think we took it more as "we need to educate him".
I was pretty proud of my Baja at first, and then I began to educate myself more Offshore boats. Sort of funny building Offshore boats in Bucyrus, there just isn't alot of offshore racing history there - although it's not far from Lake Erie, which I don't care what you say, that can be every bit as offshore as the ocean is.
My Baja wasn't a performance boat, it didn't have the Pedigree, but it looked like a performance boat.
Hey man, it's just my opinion.
As long as you're on the water, and enjoy your boat, great! You're welcome to the party in my book.
We're all just boaters.
Even the cruisers, and ski-boats, and yachts.
Blowboats aren't boaters, neither are jet-ski's.
Enjoy your boat.

bh..
that's what it was like with my condor....looked like any other 24/7+or-...no stress cracks, real stable, quick as a 330/alpha would run...but people always went..HUH?...is that a donzi?..have fun, run to your limits, help a "bro" out, shun the smarta$$es...they must have other agendas....
c

To funny! Kinda like saying Trick Marine "sucks" about four years ago. People jump all over ya for telling it like it is. Enjoy the Python. Where are you located? Honestly, I'd never heard of Python and would love to see one in person.

Everyone is too uptight.

Python is a very good boat. Not a Pantera, but a very good boat.

An M3 is a very nice car too, not a Benz, but a very nice car :rolleyes:

Enough said. Enjoy the boat and the forum.

Funny you should mention the cigarette's and apache's. Since I own an apache I can compare. My apache has stress cracks.....the python didn't, but I'm sure its taken a lot more abuse. One other thing I noticed in my most recent rough water adventures was that the bow rail tends to come loose on certain areas of the apache. I can clearly tell that the hull and deck were flexing a little more than the python, probobly due to the fact that I was in water that the python couldn't handle and the apache was taking on a lot more force. Also its a bigger, wider boat. Like a big knife compared to a small one, it will flex more. I've heard of the same thing happening to cigarettes when runnning in big water, so I'm not really worried about it. I constantly go around tightening the rub rail on the apache. On the python I only found one screw in the entire rubrail that needed to be tightened. The build quality of the apache is night and day difference than the python but make no mistake about it - python boats made a very solid boat.

Wait, your 21, own two nice cars, and a boat? Do you still live at home?

Impressive hardware list, but listing what you own and having a corner office is just going to turn this into a pissing match, one that you are probably going to lose. Remember, some people on this site dont even blink when buying $200,000+ boats. Sometimes its better to enjoy your net worth as opposed to talking about it.

Can the Python to what a Pantera can do? Why not just prove it on the water? Seems like the logical thing to do. I have no idea either way, but I will say the customer service alone from Pantera is enough to make me a believer in the product. Oh yea, and that lifetime hull warranty.

Life time warranty says alot. Also I believe that Powerboat tested the 24 Python awhile back and the review was not very good if I remember right.

First I am not trying to get in a pissing match but when someone infers that I drive a modded honda and work in the mailroom I am going to speak up. I own my own house and I've worked hard in order to do so . Also just because I didn't go buy the most expensive boat I could doesn't mean I couldn't afford one. I bought a less expensive bought because as I have said its my first boat and I don't have that much experience yet. If I hit a new 200,000 boat into the dock I would be pissed, if I I bump mine into the dock I just laugh it off as a learning experience. Honestly I haven't started talking about my net worth worth but its not too bad for 21 year old. Im not going to get into that stuff but for 21 I don't think I could personally be doing better for myself.

Is the lifetime warranty on the hulls for the original owner only or does it carry with the boat for its lifetime?

I considerred a python while look for boats. i was looking for Panteras and pythons only. I looked at several pythons in the area. I tested one. Very nice boat. Build was nice, etc. Only problem was, it was soft in the transom. Told the guy, and he poo pooed it. I looked at the boat twice, and passed. It had an HP 500 with low hours. Very nice boat. In my research I found that python was no longer in business. Owner has passed away, and was actually very well respected in the performance boating world. Not like Pepe and Joe, or others, but respected none-the-less. The one thing I found, is that build quality varried from boat to boat. One might be solid as a rock and perfect, and one might have had corners cut. I think it cam down to a struggling boat builder. i heard other rumors, but will not bring those up.

All-in all, it is very similar, but not the same. I think there have been good analogies put forth. I ended up buying a pantera from Michigan. I did not see the boat until it was delivered. i would never had done that with a python. I believe the pythin is lighter. That is a build quality issue.

Fact is, both a very good boats. I would prob take a 24 python over a baja any day. However, the pantera is a badazz boat, period. Python is a nice boat. TO an uneducated individual, both will turn heads.

Enjoy your boat. Be safe, and if you run in to a dock, then you have saved yourself from hurting your next baby. Start looking for a pantera to upgrade to. you are in the same family, but just not an elder yet. I think you would def see a difference goning from a python to a pantera. I think the main issues are build quality.

Have fun, and hope you upgrade to a pantera some day. Great boat and backed by a great family.

Only to the original owner.