FYI, There are 19 other corporations in Miami that use the Pantera name that account for many of the lawsuits showing :

Pantera Miami
Pantera Holding
Pantera Productions
Pantera Recording
Pantera LTD
Pantera Inc.
Pantera Group Enterprises inc.
Pantera Construction
Pantera Alina
Pantera recovery
Pantera Express
Pantera Kid
Pantera Metal Works
Pantera Computer
Pantera printing
Pantera Publishing
Pantera Group INT. Holdings
Pantera Detomaso AutoTransport
Pantera Investment LLC

In close to 40 years in business and still owned by the same NUNEZ FAMILY sure we have had 15 customers on that list out of hundreds and hundreds customers that we have had a disagreement with.

Perfect we are not but we do build a hell of a boat at a great price. Check a few other "LEGENDARY" boat builders in Miami and see their results. We are not alone.

I am always here to take a call and answer any questions for our customers related to a 1970s Pantera or a new one. Does not matter to me whether it is a used or new including many posting on this thread some positive and some negative. I am sure they know who they are.

JO

Berk,

We have no problem with you showing some frustration with your new custom made Pantera 28' SR being behind schedule and we are sorry for that. But there are things that have been posted on this thread by you and a few others that are simply just not true. Remember last March we also worked with you and your customer on the 28' race boat order that you decide to cancel on us.

I will post a few new pictures of your new Pantera 28' SR by the end of this week showing the progress being made. At the same time I must be upfront with you and tell you that Scott and Mark new Pantera 28' SR will be delivered before yours since that is the order that they came in. Those 2 new boats are close to completion now. You will be next in line.

My family and I have been in business for close to 40 years now and have poured are entire lives into this business. You are more than welcome to stop by Pantera anytime to inspect your new boat.We are here everyday from 8:00 AM until 5:00 PM.

If you would like to speak to me please feel free to call me here at the factory or call me on my cell at 786-366-8802.

JO - Pantera Boats

sorry Jo, nothing to talk anymore. I just can not trust any of your word. i warned you and Linda Nunez many times that this is coming. each time you chose to fool me. i wish the best for both sides. court will make the final decision for that 28 SR.

you always say "we are here and we have been here for 40 years"; if you want to stay there for more time, you should consider your actions a little bit. with this attitude, i really do not think you will be there another 10 years. i will let people that i can reach know about what i went through for last 11 months. i hope you do not hurt anyone else like you hurt me.

Ya. Never mind those, it's irrelevant. Don't deflect. "Pantera Boat(s)" and "Pantera Marine" are the only ones that matter. I, and others, can clearly see a systematic pattern of problems. It boils down to a simple matter of trust with one's hard-earned money; something that is obviously lacking and has been evident for at least the last decade.

Your products are known to be solid and I'm certain y'all are fine people, but none of that matters to these gentlemen whom have lost months and even years of their boating lives and money with no boat to show for it. Your continued lines of defense reek of being self-absorbed, arrogant and malcontent.

I think it's admirable that you have chosen to respond via this forum. However, as a potential boat buyer, if I read this exchange, I would run for the hills. Yes, you have been around for 40 years. Yes, you do build a fine product. Yes, like every business, you have been involved in litigation. This is all understandable. Where you are falling short in your explanation lies with the deflection of the obvious. We are all pretty intelligent guys and girls around here, and I'm sure most feel the same as I do. Can you honestly answer a few simple question that would give you at least the credibilty of being honest?

1. Did you make promises of delivery dates to Berk that were broken? (Being a boat manufacturer, blaming any delays on suppliers holds no water. Before you quote any delivery date, you are obligated to actually check with the suppliers to assure the date YOU provide is accurate.)

2. Does the delay in delivering Berk's boat have ANYTHING to do with a cashflow problem with your firm? As business owners, we all realize that incoming cash becomes part of an operational fund which keeps us going day to day. However, you are obligated to NOT take any deposits for new orders if the deposit you take is knowingly being used for other projects. You cannot use customer deposits as a "loan", with the anticipation of more orders coming in. That is fraud by inducement.

I hope you can obtain the financing you need to remain the quality boat builder you are. Just remember, just because you build great boats dosen't make you a great company. Customer service is just as important.....and so is your credibility. Good luck.

Wish I had a dime for everytime I heard that about PowerPlay. Shame in both cases.

Jo, by not responding you have answered my questions. So sad.

I think, and I hope I'm wrong, that your are running your business like a Ponzi scheme.

Feels familiar for some reason :eekdrop:

I knew this would be all to familiar to you. Your thread was one of the all time greats...until it g ot deleted.

It should have been a sticky. And Berk would still have his money.

Berk I hope this works out for you. I love panteras and almost bought one new in 2007.
Part of the reason I didn't go that route was because of stories from original owners on how long things took. Your situation would have driven me absolutely bat-chit crazy. So sorry this is happening to you. it takes all the fun out of buying a new boat. I still love panteras but if I ever own one it will not be a new order that is for sure. What a shame.

He's responding in another new sneek peek thread he can delete if needed showing the boats progess. Looks the same as they did in June of last year! :lolhit: Is a shame he chooses to ignore your legit questions. Speaks loud and clear about the type of buisness person a potential buyer can expect to be dealing with. Too familer over the years.

Berk will you take your boat when they finish it??

well i don't know. i will not enjoy it for sure. i really don't think they will be able to finish the boat and my lawyer will do his best to take my money back. (bankrupt) is a bad case...

if they make a miracle and finish boat, it will be on sale. i really do not even want to make even a first ride. it's not worth it, it will be for sale for cheaper than i paid...

Do you have any pictures of it? Sorry to hear of all of the problems that you are having...

i have some but they all look like the same. not even worth to put here. you can think of a grey hull without anything...

Thats a real shame Burk ,i no how big a fan you was of pantera . Hope you feel good pantera this guy does not even want his boat anymore you have messed him about so much ,not even sure you guys no the upset you cause ,this filters down and causes arguments in the familey when you have shelled out so much $$$$ and have nothing to show ,OK he has some fibre/glass in the shape of a boat , big deal thats took you 12 monthes , Hope the 2 guys whos boats are nearly done get them soon and i am sure they will be great boats enjoy them guys , i am 100% sure this thread and the last one has speeded the build on your 2 boats .

If it is ever finished Berk, I doubt you'd ever have a problem selling it. Who else would like to lay down six-figure dollars and wait a year, or who knows how long. You might be able to profit from a sale. Maybe charge an additional 25% because it's Done? That has to be worth something extra.

:whistle:


Boat buying is an emotional thing, possibly more than boating itself. The process of doing so shouldn't suck like this. Plenty of great builders out there ready to take orders and build them. Lots that have nothing but good things to say about the builders. People should patronize them instead.

you can not even imagine the regret i feel... while deciding i talked with Sunsation and OL. OL's 29SV wasn't finished yet and we had some problems for transportation from Sunsation factory to Turkey. we decided on pantera; knowing that a smaller company but i was a big fan... this was the biggest and most expensive mistake i ever did...

Understand your pain Berk and deseveredly so it should have a thread in the "Beware and Stolen" area of yet another case of stealing from peter to pay paul.
Given their stance of just ignoring the issues in these threads by answering a few very legitimete questions by pasquesi , it appears he'd much rather start new threads of their year+ long builds about how they again are "almost complete" You know he's watching this thread and has chosen to go about buisness the same ol, same ol. Too bad a great boat has to be built by a shady buisness.

What's happening with berk's boat? Finished? Sold to someone else? Lawsuit progress? Use of baseball bats? Anything? Something?

https://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/pub...ds/Search.aspx

Berk got a judgement for $127,000.

Good for Berk!

How hard is it to collect that judgement?

With the right lawyer he could show up at Pantera with the sheriff and collect $127000 worth of property. ..

So true

That's the only way he is going to get it . Now im sure nothing is in there name any more , so you can't take anything they don't have. I no a guy a few years ago went there and took hull's ect, and then got his money like magic . this is why I would think they would have titled the hull's in someone else's name by now .
GOOD luck with recovery

Yeah Hey, those Pantera builders know how to screw a customer and get away with it. Experience counts. To some that makes it ok I guess. Probably be talking about possible new boats from the factory soon, fish for a new Berk/customer to screw out of their life savings. Good luck to those future marks getting a powerboat or their money back. As long as it's somebody else it's ok, but if it's somebody you know, then by all means raise hell! That's the ticket.

it suck to be in those shoe's " I no " I will say that the boat did run great once I got it :)

It sucks that Pantera put someone in those shoes. I don't care if the boat ran faster than a Mystic! No reason to confuse a good quality powerboat with a high quality screwing.

Good for Berk. I hope he can collect.

Wow...hard to believe that this is still standard practice at Pantera. Truly the same sh#$ different day ��

How did everything go when you bought your 28 ?

its a good thing assassins aren't listed in the yellow pages ....

I'm guessing it didn't go well.

When I first moved to Charleston, Ma I saw a 60 minutes episode about terrorist trying to buy 1-2 man submarines with some pretty good range.... They then said Osama Bin Ladin ordered 2-3 of these submarines and wanted them shipped to charleston,ma.... Well I had a phone book right on the coffee table and loosed him up....sure enough there he was listed in black and white....for all to see...Osama Bin Laden 8th St. Charlestown, Ma 02129...So to answer your question yes they are listed if you kno what your looking for.....crazy information out there if your willing to look for it...just sayin

Wildthing's thread was legendary here to those of us who've been here a long time and really started to expose (to me at least) the builder's practices. I can't remember if Lost in Boston's situation was before or after Wildthing's but his was similar to Berks, he still pops in once in a while but I think he's given up, a beaten and defeated buyer where the legal system did little for him other than probably going broke from legal fees. He got a judgement but collected nothing or very little if I recall. The Killer Bee's fiasco was never played out here on OSO but there was controversy rumored on that one too. Others exist also but I don't see the point in going over those.

Wildthing's thread came under fire since this was heresy to the builder's flag wavers and was one of the first discussed on OSO and subsequently deleted.

I remember Lost in Boston but don't remember Wildthing's nightmare.

This is pretty much there M.O. I know this is not there first screwing. It's just sad that they continue to do this .

They are what they are. These threads are protection for people yet to do business with them. Anti screw insurance, as it were.