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Pantera28TS 11-24-2012 03:06 PM

Thanks for the offer... They really aren't haters of the Pantera brand, they have all agreed at one time or another that Pantera builds one of the best offshore 28 foot wave crushers on the market....And I haven't seen anyone complaining about their build quality and attention to detail...these boats are over built to withstand any type of conditions thrown at it... I think most will agree the haters just don't agree with how the business is run.

now with my boat being 95% complete, the potential buyer has many options, and I really can't see why having it at the factory is such a thorn in so many people's side... It is there and that's where it is staying until I get it complete or until someone wants a great deal on a new Pantera 28 SR with no wait time to speak of... Isn't everyone's biggest complaint about Pantera the delays in the delivery process....Well I guess I helped to take that out of the equation. And if the potential buyer goes to the factory they can stock up on some Pantera swag....!!!!!

Again I want to thank you all for your continued support... And you all are still on my Christmas card list... No worries...!!!

Scott

97FASTech 11-24-2012 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by underload (Post 3820818)
Damn Scott your just getting slammed by the haters.
I know the feeling trust me f$#ckers ain't never got
nothing better to do. My opion is you want to sell the
boat faster invest $4k on a trailer and get the boat
to another location, if u need help finding the trailer call me and
i'll hook u up with a friend that makes them. Goodluck
with the sale.

For $2500, he could buy your old hull and have a trailer. Dump the old hull at pantera. Very good idea underload.

scarab63 11-24-2012 05:21 PM

What's so hard for some to understand?
Get the cash or line up financing.....
Go to close the deal, load the boat on a trailer, .....
NO TITLE READY & AVAILABLE=NO DEAL

TITLE READY TO BE SIGNED=DEAL

hook the boat up, close the deal.

Win/win

$.02 trailer would make sale easier.

Pantera28TS 11-24-2012 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by scarab63 (Post 3820877)
What's so hard for some to understand?
Get the cash or line up financing.....
Go to close the deal, load the boat on a trailer, .....
NO TITLE READY & AVAILABLE=NO DEAL

TITLE READY TO BE SIGNED=DEAL

hook the boat up, close the deal.

Win/win

$.02 trailer would make sale easier.

BINGO... all for the trailer part, that just adds another variable to the deal, what if someone already has one or is going to rack store it as i had planned...

Thanks for your comments...

underload 11-24-2012 06:02 PM

What a lot of people here do is just talk mad sh$t about Pantera, every
boat manufacturer here in Florida either go out of business or sell
there company or make sorry ass boats. Pantera is still in business
and make awesome boats. Why can't people forget the bad
stuff and see some of the good stuff these guys do like there boats.
There built hard to ride hard I have two of them and personally know
how they are built. This is the only Forum where people who do not
own Pantera's come to hate on them. Its freaking pathitic. Who won in
Keywest a Pantera was the only boat in its class to handle the rough water.
Scott's boat is badass I see this boat everyday nice piece of artwork.
Somebody is gonna have a nice boat and I hope its somebody
in Florida it would be cool to see I don't own the only
SR out here. HATERS!!

88bullet 11-24-2012 06:16 PM

Oh man the experts are gonna rip you apart for that post. And they are gonna tell you all about your new boat being built. But don't worry underload we flag wavers will stand behind you just like scott

boatnt 11-24-2012 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by 97FASTech (Post 3820831)
For $2500, he could buy your old hull and have a trailer. Dump the old hull at pantera. Very good idea underload.

:lolhit::lolhit:

PhantomChaos 11-24-2012 06:32 PM

How well built do you really think these last few boats are made by Pantera before they go under for good? Did they use nails to hold it together? Skimp on this or that? If they have no money to finish the boat they already got paid to build......so which comes first? Dinner on the table for the kids......or stainless steel staples vs steel staples to hold the vinyl.

Not haters......just realists.

Pantera28TS 11-24-2012 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 3820916)
How well built do you really think these last few boats are made by Pantera before they go under for good? Did they use nails to hold it together? Skimp on this or that? If they have no money to finish the boat they already got paid to build......so which comes first? Dinner on the table for the kids......or stainless steel staples vs steel staples to hold the vinyl.

Not haters......just realists.

Send me your emial address and I'll send you pictures of the build from the waxing of the molds to lay-up to extration...then i'll share the pictures of them rigging the boat...No cut corners...I was there and when i was not Mark from Michigan was...So yes I say HATER.... hows that Sunseeker treating you..?? shouldn't you be doing another seatrial trying to get that slug moving...??? good luck with that..!!

OCCJoe 11-24-2012 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by underload (Post 3820897)
What a lot of people here do is just talk mad sh$t about Pantera, every
boat manufacturer here in Florida either go out of business or sell
there company or make sorry ass boats. Pantera is still in business
and make awesome boats. Why can't people forget the bad
stuff and see some of the good stuff these guys do like there boats.
There built hard to ride hard I have two of them and personally know
how they are built. This is the only Forum where people who do not
own Pantera's come to hate on them. Its freaking pathitic. Who won in
Keywest a Pantera was the only boat in its class to handle the rough water.
Scott's boat is badass I see this boat everyday nice piece of artwork.
Somebody is gonna have a nice boat and I hope its somebody
in Florida it would be cool to see I don't own the only
SR out here. HATERS!!

Now you know I have reserved my opinion and have never defended Pantera's business practice . I love Pantera , I like Jo . I don't agree with a lot that goes on but in the end it's none of my business ....
BUT THIS POST !!!! UNDERLOAD's 32nd ! I'm saving this $hit .... You can't write this stuff .....LOL !

underload 11-24-2012 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3820918)
Send me your emial address and I'll send you pictures of the build from the waxing of the molds to lay-up to extration...then i'll share the pictures of them rigging the boat...No cut corners...I was there and when i was not Mark from Michigan was...So yes I say HATER.... hows that Sunseeker treating you..?? shouldn't you be doing another seatrial trying to get that slug moving...??? good luck with that..!!

There u go dude fight back, f$#k these guys, your boat might not be
but as is its badass many of these HATERS have never even been in a
Pantera, its Saturday lets have some fun with the sh$t talkers, if there
was only a way to block these non-Pantera owners from
coming on to the Pantera forums. LOL!!!

underload 11-24-2012 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3820918)
Send me your emial address and I'll send you pictures of the build from the waxing of the molds to lay-up to extration...then i'll share the pictures of them rigging the boat...No cut corners...I was there and when i was not Mark from Michigan was...So yes I say HATER.... hows that Sunseeker treating you..?? shouldn't you be doing another seatrial trying to get that slug moving...??? good luck with that..!!

There u go dude fight back, f$#k these guys, your boat might not be finished but as is its badass many of these HATERS have never even been in a Pantera, its Saturday lets have some fun with the sh$t talkers, if there
was only a way to block these non-Pantera owners from
coming on to the Pantera forums. LOL!!!

POWERPLAY J 11-24-2012 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by underload (Post 3820939)
There u go dude fight back, f$#k these guys, your boat might not be finished but as is its badass many of these HATERS have never even been in a Pantera, its Saturday lets have some fun with the sh$t talkers, if there
was only a way to block these non-Pantera owners from
coming on to the Pantera forums. LOL!!!

Sampling the square grouper? :lolhit:

Wylie-Rat 11-24-2012 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by underload (Post 3820897)
What a lot of people here do is just talk mad sh$t about Pantera, every
boat manufacturer here in Florida either go out of business or sell
there company or make sorry ass boats. Pantera is still in business
and make awesome boats. Why can't people forget the bad
stuff and see some of the good stuff these guys do like there boats.
There built hard to ride hard I have two of them and personally know
how they are built. This is the only Forum where people who do not
own Pantera's come to hate on them. Its freaking pathitic. Who won in
Keywest a Pantera was the only boat in its class to handle the rough water.
Scott's boat is badass I see this boat everyday nice piece of artwork.
Somebody is gonna have a nice boat and I hope its somebody
in Florida it would be cool to see I don't own the only
SR out here. HATERS!!

Underload, I have owned 2 Pantera Boats and my current one is a 2005 28 with a Keith Eckert 540-Blower Motor... I will agree that they are well Built and can handle the Rough Stuff with the best of them, but let me Inform You that Pantera has made many Promises to me which None have been Made Good... Bottom Line is that Scott's Boat should have been Finished a Very Long Time Ago and to make things even worse that Boat was Paid For In Full... Pantera has No Excuse for what they did to Scott... I can go on and on with story after story, but if that is really needed then what you need to do next is to give Somebody $100K or More of your Money and when you Do Not Receive your Product lets see how you feel... Scott is the Only Person that is Getting Screwed on this Deal and No Body should forget that...

Interceptor 11-24-2012 08:35 PM

Underload,
I wish you had placed an order for a new Pantera around mid-2011.

OCCJoe 11-24-2012 10:14 PM

Scott I'm sorry your thread has gone to $hit again . Tim I think at some point everyone that has tried to support the Product just has to realize that the business practice cast such a black cloud that it's a battle ..
You , me , and everyone else that owns a Pantera have had to defend our brand . People that just come on our forum to talk $hit and stir the pot , well it's just not necessary ...It's kinda like ..I can talk $hit about my B1tch , but you better not say anything bout her . ( ya'll know what I'm talking about )

There's been a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul with Pantera . Some companies can do it and get away with it and some cannot . The bigger ticket the product the more riskier the game is . That being said :::: The things that Pantera has done that have just pi$sed me of is , I don't wanna see you (Pantera) sponsoring your sons go cart racing , I don't wanna see you driving new trucks and buying new toys . And you don't have the money to finish the boats you've been paid in full for already ? WELL LETS SEE THAT PRETTY BLACK 35 PANTERA LISTED IN THE CLASSIFIEDS FOR SALE !!!! That should sell for enough to finish Scott's boat and maybe one of the others you've been paid for ...

You want my support anymore , Make some sacrifices .. I see you f()cking starving and trying to make things right then I'll be there again ....

Stormrider 11-24-2012 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by Wylie-Rat (Post 3820949)
Underload, I have owned 2 Pantera Boats and my current one is a 2005 28 with a Keith Eckert 540-Blower Motor... I will agree that they are well Built and can handle the Rough Stuff with the best of them, but let me Inform You that Pantera has made many Promises to me which None have been Made Good... Bottom Line is that Scott's Boat should have been Finished a Very Long Time Ago and to make things even worse that Boat was Paid For In Full... Pantera has No Excuse for what they did to Scott... I can go on and on with story after story, but if that is really needed then what you need to do next is to give Somebody $100K or More of your Money and when you Do Not Receive your Product lets see how you feel... Scott is the Only Person that is Getting Screwed on this Deal and No Body should forget that...

Wow, you are using a lot of caps in your typing.
You trying to make a point?

Scott, good luck w the sale. Nice looking ride.

Comanche3Six 11-24-2012 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by OCCJoe (Post 3820974)
Scott your thread has gone to $hit again . Tim I think at some point everyone that has tried to support the Product just has to realize that the business practice cast such a black cloud that it's a battle ..
You , me , and everyone else that owns a Pantera have had to defend our brand . People that just come on our forum to talk $hit and stir the pot , well it's just not necessary ...It's kinda like ..I can talk $hit about my B1tch , but you better not say anything bout her . ( ya'll know what I'm talking about )

There's been a lot of robbing Peter to pay Paul with Pantera . Some companies can do it and get away with it and some cannot . The bigger ticket the product the more riskier the game is . That being said :::: The things that Pantera has done that have just pi$sed me of is , I don't wanna see you (Pantera) sponsoring your sons go cart racing , I don't wanna see you driving new trucks and buying new toys . And you don't have the money to finish the boats you've been paid in full for already ? WELL LETS SEE THAT PRETTY BLACK 35 PANTERA LISTED IN THE CLASSIFIEDS FOR SALE !!!! That should sell for enough to finish Scott's boat and maybe one of the others you've been paid for ...

You want my support anymore , Make some sacrifices .. I see you f()cking starving and trying to make things right then I'll be there again ....

Amen

PhantomChaos 11-24-2012 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3820918)
Send me your emial address and I'll send you pictures of the build from the waxing of the molds to lay-up to extration...then i'll share the pictures of them rigging the boat...No cut corners...I was there and when i was not Mark from Michigan was...So yes I say HATER.... hows that Sunseeker treating you..?? shouldn't you be doing another seatrial trying to get that slug moving...??? good luck with that..!!

Why not just post them here? Are they from 2005.....is that the problem?? Actually.....I'm not sure why you believe ANY of the pictures that you have are of your boat. Dealing with a thief boat builder....not sure why you believe anything they do.

What a fool you are. It shows more every day.

Actually....I did have an engine(s) issue with the last builder, but I moved on and used a new builder with three new engines. Thanks for asking. The Sunseeker is amazing I hope you go boating again some time.

Here's a PIC from yesterday. We took on 305 gallons yesterday BEOTCH! LOL :D

Comanche3Six 11-24-2012 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 3820955)
Underload,
I wish you had placed an order for a new Pantera around mid-2011.

That would really put him under a load. He would be screaming like a stuck pig! He would have to burn his Pantera bra.

Pantera28TS 11-24-2012 11:53 PM

:circle:

Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 3820985)
Why not just post them here? Are they from 2005.....is that the problem?? Actually.....I'm not sure why you believe ANY of the pictures that you have are of your boat. Dealing with a thief boat builder....not sure why you believe anything they do.

What a fool you are. It shows more every day.

Actually....I did have an engine(s) issue with the last builder, but I moved on and used a new builder with three new engines. Thanks for asking. The Sunseeker is amazing I hope you go boating again some time.

Here's a PIC from yesterday. We took on 305 gallons yesterday BEOTCH! LOL :D

Nice try there big guy....That slug of a Sunseeker you should rename it as "TOOL TIME" and invite your Pantera bashing buddies and have a :circle: Jerk ...still at the home base tryin to get things figured out YIKES... you have bigger fish to fry ...now stop with the lies... I will call you out there big liar...!!!

Catastrophe 11-25-2012 12:12 AM


Originally Posted by underload (Post 3820897)
What a lot of people here do is just talk mad sh$t about Pantera, every
boat manufacturer here in Florida either go out of business or sell
there company or make sorry ass boats. Pantera is still in business
and make awesome boats. Why can't people forget the bad
stuff and see some of the good stuff these guys do like there boats.
There built hard to ride hard I have two of them and personally know
how they are built. This is the only Forum where people who do not
own Pantera's come to hate on them. Its freaking pathitic. Who won in
Keywest a Pantera was the only boat in its class to handle the rough water.
Scott's boat is badass I see this boat everyday nice piece of artwork.
Somebody is gonna have a nice boat and I hope its somebody
in Florida it would be cool to see I don't own the only
SR out here. HATERS!!


Remarkable

One thing for sure, these threads are making Scots boat pretty well known.
Will be interesting to see if he and Jo can convince someone to leave the boat there to be finished.
Definitely an interesting situation to be in.

Pantera28TS 11-25-2012 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3821010)
Remarkable

One thing for sure, these threads are making Scots boat pretty well known.
Will be interesting to see if he and Jo can convince someone to leave the boat there to be finished.
Definitely an interesting situation to be in.

Im kinda liking it.... because you idiots are making it so easy for the guys to see through your jealousy....hahahahaha night night my little pantera awaits... :kiss: and yes I called her "Pantera" all night.... fingers still working...!!! ha...

Catastrophe 11-25-2012 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3821013)
Im kinda liking it.... because you idiots are making it so easy for the guys to see through your jealousy....hahahahaha night night my little pantera awaits... :kiss: and yes I called her "Pantera" all night.... fingers still working...!!! ha...

Actually I'm thinking something else.
That's because I'm a hater.

Firstly , anyone that got phucked over by these swindlers, when given the chance , would yank that boat out of there so fast it would make their head spin.
You aren't doing that.
That screams that either you didn't get phucked or because of what you did together with them with the bank , you have to (or agreed to)leave the boat there.

Banks wouldn't knowingly finance something that today isn't actually a boat.After all ,you can't operate it.
Just as they wouldn't finance a car if they knew it had no seats or steering.
Or a plane with no wings.

You are working with Pantera when you don't need to be.

And that should be worrisome to any prospective buyer.

Comanche3Six 11-25-2012 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3821013)
Im kinda liking it.... because you idiots are making it so easy for the guys to see through your jealousy....hahahahaha night night my little pantera awaits... :kiss: and yes I called her "Pantera" all night.... fingers still working...!!! ha...

Keep paying those bank payments & Pantera will keep the powerboat. Laugh that off!

Wylie-Rat 11-25-2012 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 3820977)
Wow, you are using a lot of caps in your typing.
You trying to make a point?

Scott, good luck w the sale. Nice looking ride.

You know me Rob - I hope that you and your family had a Wonderful Thanksgiving...

Pantera28TS 11-25-2012 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 3821069)
Keep paying those bank payments & Pantera will keep the powerboat. Laugh that off!

Can't fix stupid......:lolhit:

Comanche3Six 11-25-2012 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3821084)
Can't fix stupid......:lolhit:

You can work on fixing yourself. But remember... Play with those kind of guys & that's what happens.

PhantomChaos 11-25-2012 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3821008)
:circle:

Nice try there big guy....That slug of a Sunseeker you should rename it as "TOOL TIME" and invite your Pantera bashing buddies and have a :circle: Jerk ...still at the home base tryin to get things figured out YIKES... you have bigger fish to fry ...now stop with the lies... I will call you out there big liar...!!!


Slug.....LOL. The rest of your post is kind of fuzzy.

Figure things out? Bigger fish to fry? Stop with the lies? You will call me out? WTH? Are these the things you say to Jo @ Pantera all the time? :bunnydance::bunnydance::bunnydance:

Pantera28TS 11-25-2012 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 3821103)
Slug.....LOL. The rest of your post is kind of fuzzy.

Figure things out? Bigger fish to fry? Stop with the lies? You will call me out? WTH? Are these the things you say to Jo @ Pantera all the time? :bunnydance::bunnydance::bunnydance:

Hahahaha

Comanche3Six 11-25-2012 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3821122)
Hahahaha

While your in a happy mood & have everyones interested, how about telling the complete Pantera story concerning this powerboat.

Rwbrew3 11-25-2012 01:27 PM

Pantera 28, first of all just want to say good luck in your sale, and sorry for your bad luck with Pantera. I've read every thread from Berks mess to 10 years ago were it was happening then as well.

I just have a few questions..

1. Would you be selling if the boat was complete.

2. Are you taking a 10k loss

3. Have you looked into any legal course/action

4. When all said and done would you recommend anyone to buy a new boat fom them.


And last, How are you still ok with the Pantera knowing you paid them in full to compete a job and now you are left to deal with it, I'm sure your paying interest on your loan so the amount out of pocket has to be rising daily.

I do wish you the very best, I know you where just A victim in Panteras Scam


Thanks
Rick

Rwbrew3 11-25-2012 02:04 PM

Sorry, just wanted to add, I'm not giving you a hard time, just was waiting for someone to ask the questions and I would have stayed in the back ground.

I know you have to be boiling behind the scenes knowing you got screwed over!

I have to commend you on your composure with them, and with all the negative feed back you have been getting on here.

I have read so many threads on here, and have learned that this oso family is super tight and wish for no one to get taken from any boat builder, mechanic, part seller etc, ive seen mysterys unraveled on here where the good guy turned out to be the villain and with out all of these guys it would have gone unnoticed ! I don't think it's a personal attack on you, just some guys who have been around a long time and have read and seen it all.

I hope your sale goes smoothly and both party's are happy with the transaction!

Rick

Donzi ZX 11-25-2012 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Rwbrew3 (Post 3821193)
When all said and done would you recommend anyone to buy a new boat from them

Lol, seriously?

Rwbrew3 11-25-2012 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Donzi ZX (Post 3821212)
Lol, seriously?

Rhetorical question!

PhantomChaos 11-25-2012 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Donzi ZX (Post 3821212)
Lol, seriously?

That would be a good place to advertise. LOL

verbi69 11-25-2012 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by ajfisher (Post 3820682)
Bad choices like buying a ZX instead of the more desirable ZR?? :whistle::party-smiley-004:

ZR's have no room like the ZX's if room is what you need......but you knew that....:whistle: :party-smiley-004:

verbi69 11-25-2012 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 3820756)
Good point! Are they complete or do they still need about $10K of construction by a ripoff company to finish them?

It sucks for this seller on here.....but I doubt anyone on OSO (except you) is going to help him get another sucker (Pantera buyer) to give Pantera money to "finish" a boat that is already PAID IN FULL.

Well said!

Carry on...

verbi69 11-25-2012 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Pantera28TS (Post 3820768)
I really feel there is something wrong with your understanding of what needs to be done, or you just cannot grasp the facts, So let’s read/say this really slowly....The potential buyer (this means the person buying the boat...of which I’m 100% sure will not be you) Can either pull the boat out and have it finished anywhere he or she chooses (not you) or they can buy the components and have them drop shipped at Pantera and they will complete it and do a sea trial. PPI already wants the boat at their facility for the cockpit installation...I have talked to them several times... so again nice and slooooow The only things left of any real significance would be the external hydraulic steering, pop-up indicators, throttles, and engine hatch lift... most people on this site (and yes maybe even you sir) could install these components in their garage over the weekend...I hope this clears up any miss conceptions you are having...

So then why not do as mentioned above and sell it in a month as a brand new never used 201? with all factory waranties to someone that will not have to wait for months/ years for a NEW Pantera boat?????
Sounds pretty damn straight to me.......

Good luck with the sale of your boat..she is a nice one!

Donzi ZX 11-25-2012 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by verbi69 (Post 3821363)
ZR's have no room like the ZX's if room is what you need......but you knew that....:whistle: :party-smiley-004:

Exactly. I do lots of overnights w/ my boy on it.


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