:cool-smiley-027:You hit the nail on the head,he's new here but he'll get it.

You couldn't see the dic k for the balls on your face. See it now?

Best thread I've seen in a while.....talk about hypertension.

Oso if primarily for dic ks anyway. We all get over the hazing period . Let it go. We all do the same thing at the end of the day......spend way more money for short periods of fun. Let's fight in the winter while there is nothing to do.

To get thread back on track, this boat is amazing. I absolutely love it. On the other hand, I HATE procharger. The cog belt caused the bearings in the procharger to let go. The metal from the procharger took out the intercooler causing the motor to ingest metal and water. I took the boat to the engine builder and we drained the oil and took the filter apart. There was minimal metal fragments but he said it would be best to tear the motor down just to check. He also showed me the build sheet on the motor for 20k. That made me feel good and bad at the same time. I'm not here to flame procharger, but that's the 2nd time a procharger ruined a motor of mine. I will never run a procharger.

Sorry for your loss

Stuff happens. Move forward and build more power. I wanted a Whipple anyway. As long as it's a minor refresh I'm fine. If major damage has occurred, I'm crying. We will see as soon as I get the motor out.

78 Is very respectible for the older non stepped 28 hulls , On the right day , light fuel , and salt water your busting 80 MPH . Keep in mind the beauty of a 28 Pantera is not the top speed . Its the fact that you can run it in any condition . 5-6 footers 60-70 mph and everyone on the boat is comfortable . Unfortunately running in west coast lakes you'll probably never see the water conditions that the boat is capable of running in .
Sorry you had some motor problems already but take a boat that has the dog crap run out of it every weekend and it will never break . Let it sit in a barn for a few years and try to run it hard and its gonna break .
Old fuel , dirty carb , preloaded valve springs . Most of the time a stagnet motor will run lean and even though it sounds good and you think it's running good you need to pull all eight plugs after a full pull (under load on water) and read them.
Just remember that procharger is probally giving you 8 mph or so , if you lose it your gonna have to build one radical N/A motor to keep your speed you have now .
Rock on and keep your head up ..

Nice tips OCC, umm think i will check my plugs.

have a 598 ci that dynos at 850hp , naturally aspirated,, that needs a home...

Before I ran the boat, I changed the oil and drive fluid. I drained every bit of gas and put 60 gallons of 91 and 10 gallons of VP c12. I put the boat in Friday and ran 2 passes and pulled all 8 plugs. Everything looked fine. The motor did not have issues because I ran it hard. It broke because the og owner had the cog belt too tight. That took out the bearings in the procharger which caused all my problems. This situation was completely out of my control and I did everything I could do to keep it from having issues. Thanks again for all the compliments and kind words. The motor builder said he will have the motor done in 1 week from the day I get it to him.

I knew my boat had big power at one point. But I never expected to come across a reliable claim of 110 mph.

The origional owner put me intouch with Terry Smith from High Power Specialist. He built the motors and help set this boat up from day one. I have spent several hours talking with him about my boat. He knows every power package and drive combo this boat ever had. He told me the boat had a big blower motor in it but they could not keep the drives to hold up. After my procharger failure caused metal & water to enter the motor, I'm in the process of rebuilding. The game plan is 800efi n/a. He said the boat will run high 80s all day. So it's a happy/sad kind of thing. I'm estatic to finally own a Pantera, but I'm said about the motor failure. I can not get it on the water soon enough.

After reading nearly every topic in the Pantera section, I stumbled across this post. Makes me proud to own this boat.


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I think you need to go 1300 hp again. At the time they didn't have a Bravo based drive that would hold up but now that Imco makes the SCX I think you need to prove the boat can be a reliable 110mph setup.

Sorry to learn of the loss -- that has got to hurt - The boat is beautiful and it really has got to tick you off that something as simple as a belt tension screwed up - not to mention the cost - a lot of summer fun. I had something kind of similar happen when we got ours. Everything on the boat checked out - compression, maintenance, - everything. What we think happened was the previous owner thought the motor mount bolts were loose and proceeded to tighten them. As a result he threw the alignment out of whack causing the coupler and part of the drive shaft splines to sheer. Long and short - I had the marina pull the motor change all this stuff and "while they were in there" replace all the rubber, impeller and anything else that was hard to get at -- $2000.00 latter we walked out with a pretty nice boat.

Hang in there

3pointstar

The drive is fully built and has 2 hours on it. Terry has tried every way to talk me out of a blower. He says if I want a reliable boat, to run the 800efi. I do not want to drive cross country for a poker run and have some sort of failure. He said if I am dead set on a blower, run a 14-71 at 15% underdrive. It will be 1200hp on pump gas. But he said I will have the same drive problem issue. My goal is to cruise at 75mph reliably. Do you think the claim of well over 110mph is possible. If so, could I own the fastest Pantera to date?

The swim platform is sick. It is built into several mounting points on the transom. The boat spent most of its life doing the Catalina ski race. I have the pole that mounts in the middle for pulling a skier. But now that the boat will be used for pleasure, it's time to make a stripper pole for the hole.


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Coolest swim platform I've ever seen, nice!

Thanks for the compliment 3pointstar. She is a beautiful boat. It is a cool swim platform SecondWind. Definately over built to say the least. The boat has custom built stuff all over it. I'll post some pics of the bolsters when I get a chance. They are the craziest peices of art I have ever seen. The guy I bought the boat from races the Baja 1000 in multiple clases. He fabricates his own trophy trucks and a lot of his fabrication skills were used on this boat.

When I bought my Superboat speed was a major concern on top of the ride quality . I tried to buy 2 different 28 Pantera's for less money but both deals fell through . I've posted numbers before only to piss off the owners of the boats and when I was right I never received my (well you were right and I was wrong ) When I bought my Superboat 800HP = 94MPH .. 800HP in a non stepped 28 Pantera is going to run 85MPH . It takes 1000HP to hit the 100 mark in the Pantera . THE ONLY BRAVO BASSED DRIVE's THAT WILL HOLD that weight boat and power is the SCX or a Xpower . After 4 years and probably about 20K I've recorded on video and 3gps's 104 mph still only running 800HP N/A . But just to let you know my SB is only 7' beam and it is stepped .
In the end you throw enough power at any boat and you can make it fast , My reality check came when OuterLimits 29' hit 100mph with a 525 and 125mph with 850hp . That was the moment when I realized my hull really isn't that fast .

That swim platform is built to hold some thick a$$ strippers:lolhit:

Well stated.. I would add that the few fast ones I've seen were still dragging a standard Bravo thru the water. If you turn an SCX gear set and drag that anchor then you will loose a few mph as well

I did not buy this boat to be the fastest in the water. I bought this boat because I have wanted a Pantera since I started boating. I like to be different and own a boat that you rarely see on the water. I would say I drive conservative and will do my best to make the drive last. What would you say the max power I can put in this boat to make a reliable package. It has a built XR with 2 hours on it.

Sorry I was just responding to this

I have 800hp on a built XR . No hole shots , No hard turns under power , No wave jumping and it still has a fuse that has been lit waiting for the explosion . Unfortunately you said you want to be able to cruise at 75mph but that is just as hard on a drive in a 7000 pound boat with a single as all of the above . Just drive it ! If it breaks it breaks ! You can pick a spare up from 3-5k . do what I do , keep it in the garage so you can boat the next day or in the back of the truck on poker runs and events you go to and Rock ON .
I think I'll always want and love Pantera's also but unfortunately they haven't made and probably never will the one that perfect for me ..

OCC, what ever happened to your 24?

Still setting in the fiberglass building. After were done building the new top deck mold off of it I'm going to set the mark so high for the fastest 24 Pantera ever then I'm going to put stock power back in it and probably give it to my son.