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Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 4471729)
It won't come back, it can't at those prices. The younger generation is broke and struggling, those of us anywhere in the greater ballpark of retirement won't drop that coin for a toy. We are solid middle class and purchasing our new Nordic for $64 (or whatever it was) was not a stretch, now double that and we're on the outside looking in.
I'm pissed, boating is in my blood, and I actually think it's in my DNA, the water puts a real zap on me when I'm anywhere near it...I'm obsessed. But this is out of control. Someone will someday come out with a new technique/material to make this affordable but I'll probably be dead by then. Until that time it'll have to be a used boat and we'll have to be committed to continuous upgrades and repairs which will get old after a while. Signed: Very depressed. I too am "boat" bitten. Must be the Norwegian in me. The used stuff will be around for a while and after that will dwindle out, but the builders are dying. Like you said this latest generation of kids doesn't even want to have a get a drivers license, much less a truck something like a boat is a foreign concept. I started the thread because I though maybe I could setup something between LaveyCraft and Pantera to continue to service the clients they have. The idea of 2 family companies with racing heritages under one roof is appealing to me, but with so little demand for new product its a very tricky proposition. Im certain we can put the quality and rigging the name and fanbase demands in them, but there is a wide bridge between where we are now and there. UD |
Also well said Uncle Dave. Tied up to a nice 28 Pantera at the Buffalo Poker Run. Made me somewhat sad, Velocity and Pantara, two great brands, gone.
Had dinner with John (Bup) the new Lavey sounds exciting. Padraig |
Originally Posted by slpcamaross97
(Post 4471714)
Buy my boat and put stock seats in it. No difference in how the boat is built from the F1 to the Sport. Just little different dash and small cabin area. Anything can be changed to make it pleasure. Just dont want to be the one to turn the notorious F1 boat into a pleasure. But im ok if you do once im paid.
Everyone one i talk to on the lake say they never use the cabin. It fills up with water toys bags and towels. No one actually sleeps in the cabin unless its a emergency. |
Thinking about it, its sad. But wouldnt if he cool if 50~60k could get a young guy with the need for speed into something like a 24 pantera with a black merc warrantied 500 hp ls based bulletproof motor hooked to an XR. Alas such a thought is all rainbows and unicorns....
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I hate to think about this kind of thing but you guys are correct. Weird to age and see the changes in generations, and the economy, heck the world for that matter.. I'll die loving hot rod boating. I'll have one until I can no longer afford it or my health fails.
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Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4471787)
Thinking about it, its sad. But wouldnt if he cool if 50~60k could get a young guy with the need for speed into something like a 24 pantera with a black merc warrantied 500 hp ls based bulletproof motor hooked to an XR. Alas such a thought is all rainbows and unicorns....
Thing is that is an excellent hull (24x7) to get a regular guy to and from Catalina. Great starter and not so starter rig with bigger power. A so cal guy could use a good 24 footer on the ocean lake and river and get it there with a half ton truck. Real tight on that kind of dough maybe 60k for a small block and 70 for a big block one color no bag. Prepare for it to lose 20% of its range compared to what you guys (and all of us are used too) due to the new EPA tank requirements. Still good for Catalina but San Diego is now out of the one shot run from Marina Del Rey. You now need an interim fuel stop. UD |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 4471792)
Thing is that is an excellent hull (24x7) to get a regular guy to and from Catalina. Great starter and not so starter rig with bigger power.
A so cal guy could use a good 24 footer on the ocean lake and river and get it there with a half ton truck. Real tight on that kind of dough maybe 60k for a small block and 70 for a big block one color no bag. Prepare for it to lose 20% of its range compared to what you guys (and all of us are used too) due to the new EPA tank requirements. Still good for Catalina but San Diego is now out of the one shot run from Marina Del Rey. You now need an interim fuel stop. UD |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 4471792)
Thing is that is an excellent hull (24x7) to get a regular guy to and from Catalina. Great starter and not so starter rig with bigger power.
A so cal guy could use a good 24 footer on the ocean lake and river and get it there with a half ton truck. Real tight on that kind of dough maybe 60k for a small block and 70 for a big block one color no bag. Prepare for it to lose 20% of its range compared to what you guys (and all of us are used too) due to the new EPA tank requirements. Still good for Catalina but San Diego is now out of the one shot run from Marina Del Rey. You now need an interim fuel stop. UD |
Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
(Post 4471813)
What is the EPA tank reqiuerments?
Its kind of like an OPD overfill nozzle on a propane tank. Same physical size tank- you just get "about" 20% of the capacity reduced. UD |
Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4471806)
Thats why they invented Oceanside..... lol
UD |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 4471814)
All tanks sold now have to have a vapor recovery (big charcoal canister you have to put somewhere and hose up) and anti over flow protection.
Its kind of like an OPD overfill nozzle on a propane tank. Same physical size tank- you just get "about" 20% of the capacity reduced. UD Padraig |
Originally Posted by Padraig
(Post 4471822)
I am keeping the VR 1 for a long long time.
P6 Prob close to if not the fastest hull in each length. ..and thanks! UD |
Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 4471814)
All tanks sold now have to have a vapor recovery (big charcoal canister you have to put somewhere and hose up) and anti over flow protection.
Its kind of like an OPD overfill nozzle on a propane tank. Same physical size tank- you just get "about" 20% of the capacity reduced. UD Is that a national or CA rule only? |
Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
(Post 4471873)
Well that doesn't surprise me, it's funny out east here we don't have those at hardly any pumps. (The vapor recovery handles).
Is that a national or CA rule only? UD |
We dont even have those vapor recovery nozzles at the regular gas stations. I was in shock when I moved out here, no smog checks etc......
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Pantera's unique business practices doomed them regardless of where the economy or industry went.
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Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
(Post 4471753)
I had to check on that and you are right. I just lost a lot of respect and admiration for Sunsation. :( http://www.sunsationboats.com/
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Originally Posted by 88Rocket
(Post 4472226)
yea I know the feeling And I use to work there and grew up around them always wanting one. build a basic low priced boat under $50,000 and I bet they will sell .
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its EPA mandated for fuel permeation and fuel spillage and fuel seepage and so on for all USA states that apply to all marine builders.
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Instead of writing all this out ------ read away and watch the videos. All EPA regulations USA all states. It s has been effective now for a couple at the very least.
http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/c.../system-design |
Pic's worth a thousand words instead of typing all this out. Take a peak below.
http://www.attwoodmarine.com/interna...system-designs |
Originally Posted by BUP
(Post 4472244)
Pic's worth a thousand words instead of typing all this out. Take a peak below.
http://www.attwoodmarine.com/interna...system-designs |
Pepe was a boat builder and racer. It was Joe's enthusiasm, passion for the brand and marketing that kept the company alive for years even though there were some bad business deals and people lost money. I don't think they could come back after all the bad publicity, bankruptcies and burned bridges...and that's not taking into account the nature of the high performance industry right now. It's sad to see a legacy of a boat brand disappear..
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Originally Posted by JUPITER PULSARE
(Post 4481742)
Pepe was a boat builder and racer. It was Joe's enthusiasm, passion for the brand and marketing that kept the company alive for years even though there were some bad business deals and people lost money. I don't think they could come back after all the bad publicity, bankruptcies and burned bridges...and that's not taking into account the nature of the high performance industry right now. It's sad to see a legacy of a boat brand disappear..
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What were all the bad business deals??
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Originally Posted by Zach F100
(Post 4487511)
What were all the bad business deals??
Numerous court judgments as well listed in casenet. |
Originally Posted by reeis
(Post 4697313)
Hi people. There is a company, its product, and a customer. The algorithm of the company's actions to provide the product to the customer is the process itself. This algorithm is easily repeated, it provides growth and profit. Other work cycles that are not directly related to the customer, but bringing cost savings or profit growth are also BP (business processes). We want to achieve everything through managemart. Has anyone had experience with this system?
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Post is rather cryptic also ...
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Somebody is bored I guess🤷*♂️
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Looks like a spambot post
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Ok so it wasn’t me,my head hurt after reading that,I thought it was me just being a dumbass. |
Look at his two other pots. seems to like rears. lol.
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Looks like spam to me. 'reeis' and his post should be buried, along with this thread. I know there's many fond memories of Pantera but to answer the thread title question......."NO". RR |
Even the F.B page where they were selling logo sweatshirts and hats hasn't be updated.
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