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As we all know recently there has been a lot of discussion on the board regarding Pantera.
Most (but not all) of the discussion has centered around certain individuals voicing how upset they are that their friends have not received their boats as of yet or on time. As a result the forum has increasingly become a place for people to argue and fight almost all the time.
Certain individuals say they want their friends' boats' to be delivered and they seem to think they can acheive this by CONTINUALLY posting generally negative and destructive threads.
Everyone is aware of the issues that have surrounded Pantera and I do not believe that these negative threads and discussions will help anyone get resolution any faster. In all actuality, I see it with the potential to create more problems than ACTUAL solutions.

Guys UNLESS you are the one being directly affected by the problem, try your best to not get caught up and start making allegations nor comments about other peoples issues.

Guys I'm NOT trying to silence the world nor do I have a hidden agend.

Guys stop and think for a moment.....you can't get the knickers off a bare ass.

To those not directly involved....try and relax.

Guys I have no vested interest in Pantera and as such have nothing to gain. As a matter of fact I don't even own a boat at this time... nor have I since August of 2003.

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Thats what alot of us have been saying for a week or so.

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Pantera 24:

I agree wholeheartedly...if you were in my shoes you would totally understand. I have waited an exorbitant amount of time(2 years), not to mention the expense. Luckily, I can afford it, but what about those that can't? If it weren't for the recommendation from my cousin who owned Offshore Speed & Ski in Connecticut, I would have never purchased a Pantera and would have never known who they are or what they manufactured. On my cousin's recommendation I contacted this company and purchased my boat. I never balked whenever it came to money. If they needed it, I was ready to pay it. I'm not saying that I don't like the family, I really do. Everyone is just great...I've just waited so G.D. long.

I like JO, Pepe, Barbara and really enjoy my conversations with Linda. They are a real great family. I mean no disrespect and I'm sure no one else on this forum does, however, we all want to go boating...and that's the bottom line. We all are sympathetic with the problems and accidents that have befallen them and, if I were in their shoes, I would have sold everything and walked away.

My take is really simple...I really enjoy their family and being in a family owned business myself, I realize all the trials and tribulations. But really...I bought a boat and paid whatever they wanted for it and some...so why am I still waiting? What about all the other guys behind me? I've watched some step in front of the line, but that's their business, not mine.

I wish the Nunez family nothing but the best for the rest of their lives. And, I wish JO a very happy marriage this week. I've become very compassionate for their bad experiences and very, very upbeat for their successes. I wish nothing but the best for them, but in reality, I got in this because I wanted them to manufacture a boat for me. As a result, I'm still waiting patiently. Not everyone is like me. I know in the long run that they will put a smile on my face for many years to come.

Ron Lombard

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FT525,

I only wish that you get your boat asap.
It is just my concern that other people may unintentionally be hurting your cause rather than actually doing something that can help you get your problem resolved quick and right.

Angel

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Angel:

That is exactly what I have been telling the family for some time now....get me out of the shop!!

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Pantera24 give it a break, I am tired of your wining "poor Pantera posts" can't you read, the majority posting have first hand or pretty close to first hand experiences. The rest like you are posting nonsense about "good people", "hire attorneys". Let the people tell their stories. Read between the lines even American Express has changed his tune, has anyone asked him where his boat is. The reason I like so many others read OSO is to hear the good and the bad and learn from other members experience. So you no longer have a boat sorry to hear that, the one you sold did you buy it new and if so what was your experience. Donna

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Well said Angel and Fred.
The last time I looked, this was called the Pantera Owner's Forum!

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Yet you said it so much more eloquently.... :p

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If that's the case that you need to be an owner to post then perhaps the forum should be moderated by someone that has one. :rolleyes: Donna

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Ms. Patriyacht,

You most definetly have me confused with someone else.
As a matter of fact I have not even commented on this whole issue and
I have let "everyone" tell their "stories" equally... for weeks, months.

As for me not owning a Pantera right now....well.....
I didn't know it was a prerequiste to being the moderator.

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:stupid: Yeh Donna, Lets fire our moderator because he sold his boat. Come on, thats below the belt.

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Pantera 24 you are right, I did have you confused with the guy that has the 650 after his name, sorry.

I made the comment on moderator because a few have made a point to mention this is an "owners forum" indicating if you don't own a Pantera you have no right to comment in the forum. Now that is what I consider :stupid:

I edited my previous post to better say what I meant.

Donna

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Ms. Patriyacht,

No problem....With everything going on I can understand the confusion.

Look I'm not trying to belittle anyone's problems or issues on this board.
I just truly believe "some" people are making it worse for those who truly have an issue. I want nothing more than everyone who truly has a problem, for it to be resolved.

Angel

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OK,

I dont own a Pantera, But Angel, Albert, George, Scott, TimG, all know I would if I had the $$$, so I am only going to comment once, and all I am going to say is that bashing Pantera is NOT going to get your boats any sooner.

I totally agree with the way Too Old Put it.

Bash in the correct Place, and leave it out of the one made for people to talk about boats that are in their posession. What do you think complaining to people that already have their boats is going to do??????????

Convince them to get rid of the boat they love????

No freakin' way!!!!!

and it surely isnt going to get yours delivered any sooner!!!

FT525, this is not directed toward you, you have been very patient and professional about this.

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I don't own a Pantera either,, but I was VERY close to ordering one... That being said, nobody is disbuting the fact that the Nunez family is very nice and good people,,,, blah blah blah... Are these posts going to cost them money and business,, SURE IT WILL, and by all rights it should,, this board and it's members owe nothing to them,, but also think how much business it has brough them,, before OSO, I had never even heard of a Pantera,, they first one I ever saw was at a SBI race in Brick NJ, came on here the next day and researched them.. had I ordered a new boat from them back in Feburary of 2004 and not received it until two years from now I would have lost my mind a LONG TIME AGO, I give the people who have been waiting this long a lot of credit, they have a lot more self restraint than I would have... You cant paint every picture with rose colored glasses, and if these posts keep just ONE person from waiting 2 yers for a boat they were promised in 6 months than it's a job well done, had this been and isolated case we would not even be having this discussion,, but it's not, this seems to be Pantera's M.O. Live by the sword and die by the sword..

P.S. and as EVERYONE has stated I mean no ill will toward Pantera as a family or business..

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[COLOR=RoyalBlue]Bash in the correct Place, and leave it out of the one made for people to talk about boats that are in their posession. What do you think complaining to people that already have their boats is going to do??????????

What do you suggest the correct place is? A thread was started in the general section and after a day it was moved into the Pantera section, the originator had no say in that. Are you suggesting that the only place you can state a problem you are having is in the bad business section. If so then there will be a lot more threads being moved.
Is OK for Jo to use OSO to start threads bragging about boats being water tested, but God forbid he gets questioned on why older orders are still not filled. If you remember the bashing got kicked up a notch after he started the tread about completing American Express's boat. Sounds like good business sense to me, lets rub salt in the wounds of those already pissed waiting for boats :rolleyes: I still think there is more fighting here about the principle of the right to have something to say, rather than bash Pantera. No one is complaining about the boats, just the fact that they want theirs. Donna

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Guys, We all have heard of Panteras problems and I feel bad but pick up your pants and move on or shut the factory down very simple! The delay of full Trottles boat for example and I'm sure there are others that were ordered over a year before the accidents took place. So, what is the excuse for these boats not being completed. The are not building 100 footers its a lousy 28 feet. There are other custom builders out there that could have got the job done in a timely manner and had resale value. Panteras have none, you can not expect to have any w/o some kind of a dealer network even a handful. Hopefully everone gets their boats and enjoys them there is nothing better than being out on the water. As far as Pantera goes if they keep these practices up they will not be building boats much longer and you guys who get your boats will have "Limited Editions" which will probaly will give them some value!

Cig - Bullet

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I for one have found all the threads very informative. I would have had no idea to what degree the problems were without these threads. The boards are doing there job.......informing potential customers such as myself as to what to expect, good and bad. I also have not seen bashing..........at least by my definaition........if what is being said is true......which by all accounts it is....then how is it bashing? ......beating a dead dog in some cases yes, but not bashing.

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yup,, an informed cutsomer will in all likely hood be a happy customer.... accidents and unforseen delays are one thing, lies, broken promises, and stringing people along for boats pain in full for 2 years is another.. I know if I was told my boat could possibly take 2 years to build, I would have gone elsewhere, but atleast I would have had the information and could then make a decision.. The 28 A.T was also on my short list, I talked to Pat, got all the information beforehand and was told if I ordered it in winter of 04 I should expect delivery in spring of 05,, simple as that...

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[QUOTE=PatriYacht][COLOR=Blue]exactly my point, and nobody in this forum is going to help them get their boats any quicker!!!!

Hey Donna
 

I'm the guy with 650 in his name. What does owning a Pnatera have to do with being a moderator?

No one has ever stated that Pantera was right. It's just been beat to death and everyone is tired the bashing. This is not going to get the boats delivered any faster and as Fred stated, it may actually hurt the cause.

By the way, I own two Panteras, maybe that should make me the moderator!!

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Originally Posted by PatriYacht

I made the comment on moderator because a few have made a point to mention this is an "owners forum" indicating if you don't own a Pantera you have no right to comment in the forum. Now that is what I consider :stupid:

I edited my previous post to better say what I meant.

Donna

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Perhaps you missed that post

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Friends is friends buisness is buisness I wish I could be friends with the Joe and family but I wont tell them that what their doing is right. In fact I will be the first to tell em its wrong .Second I love my boat and wish I could go out and tell others and be prowd.What do you say when people ask about your boat and where do they get one ?? Nothing would make me happyer than hand a biz card and say call this guy he will treat you right ..

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So, if someone pays for a Pantera but never receives a Pantera, are they a Pantera owner? :crazy:

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Hi Gang,

Want to hear a really good Pantera Story? Contact American Express. Ask him questions about his alsum boat?

Regards
Dave Wilkinson

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WOW.......I have trolled the Pantera owners forum since I started reading OSO. I have always thought the boats were awesome. I have been very interested in the Survivor. If I had not read this forum, I could very well have been put through the same situation as FT525. That is why this type of open forum is so very important to buyers.

I really thought Pantera was different than the other South Florida custom boat builders. It appears they are all basically made from the same mold. Having had a similar experience (not nearly as long as FT525) with another South Florida builder and reading of others issues with other South Florida builders on OSO, ALL South Florida custom builders are off of my list. They all build awesome boats. But you risk ever getting it or it taking forever to get it. If the delay is not a problem....go for it. If you want your boat in a timely manner, buy it from a production builder. I am not saying production builders do not have problems......but from my personal experience and what I have read in this and other forums.....the custom builders are much less reliable.

Again, I think they are great boats. I would not take anything away from the finished product. But you need to be an informed consumer and this forum can really help in that regard.

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Apparently, you *are* a Pantera owner and you get your boat featured in the Owner's Gallery section of the Pantera website. Shouldn't the location read ???? though?

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If you order a boat in early 2003 with a promised delivery in 6 months and its billed as a 2003 and dont take delivery until aug. or sept of 2004 shouldn't it be a 2005 ??.. your boat is already 2 years old and you haven't even had it on the water ONCE...

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You KNOW you want one! :D ...lol

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ain't nothin but a tag and a stamp :rolleyes:

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By the time you take delivery of it you take a 2 year depreciation hit on it.

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Not once the documentation and ship mortgage go thru, it is what it is then baby :eek: . Bought a bunch of boats from S.Fla builders but never had problems like these fortunately.

Certainly all performance builders, dealers, support organizations yada, yada, yada are having problems in the current economy. Pantera has been around a long, long time and I certainly hope will remain in the future :) .

Everybody likes to reminisce about how great the "day" was on a 188th street but you think this **** didn't happen then? Think late 80's early 90's...remember :cool: ?

With the internet and instant communication where anyone can say anything, anytime, comes significant pluses and minuses. For the owners and Pantera I certainly wish all the best.

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This has been interesting reading. Not taking sides, but I have a couple of comments.

1) If Pantera or any other builder is going to be in business, they must operate in a business way to succeed. This means doing what they promise in a timely fashion as promised. If not they need to be exposed for what they are.

2) I would NEVER pay any boat builder, especially a small custom builder in advance for a boat they have not built. Maybe I will never own a custom boat, but that is a BIG mistake that I have seen on OSO now too often.

3) My personal opinion is that anything over six months is too long to have to wait for a performance style boat of any size. A mega yacht is a different story, but a 28 foot boat just should not take that long.

I hope that everyone can get this resolved and move on. In my opinion the ball is in the manufacturers court.

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Glad to see the BUSH logo Im feel some democrats in here (pantera 24 )Oh do you feel the presure building There will be an explosion by the weekend so much new info !!!

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Hey Dock:

Thanks for the info...almost 2 years too late..you're right..it is in the manufacturers court...Question: How much longer?

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Come on Patera... I'd really like to run w/ Ron this season. :(

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You guys have been way more patient than I would have been.

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That ain't right :mad: ... I think her comments are worthy....

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Dude,, Thats just disgusting and uncalled for,, if you don't like what she has to say don't read it.. :stupid:

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Now children... get a grip.