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obsessed1 06-09-2009 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by Smarty (Post 2883598)
And the Phantom graphic down the bow (front deck) - Kinectic Animation aka Ryan Beckley, very nice. (I will try to improve on my picture posting). Picture taken on the tow home.

Smarty,

The boat looks fantastic!!! Have fun with it.

DareDevil 06-09-2009 09:55 PM

U Have A Nice Boat There !!!!!!

Congrats !!

Smarty 06-10-2009 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2884781)
U Have A Nice Boat There !!!!!!

Congrats !!

Thank you, not the 100 mph that you had predicted, but with the amount of horsepower the engines are making I think it is running great.

Will you be racing at Pt. Pleasant, NJ?

DareDevil 06-10-2009 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Smarty (Post 2884941)
Thank you, not the 100 mph that you had predicted, but with the amount of horsepower the engines are making I think it is running great.

Will you be racing at Pt. Pleasant, NJ?

No,,the only OPA event i will do is St. Clair.

What speed did u see sofar ?? Has to be over 90 ?!

Smarty 06-10-2009 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2884986)
No,,the only OPA event i will do is St. Clair.

What speed did u see sofar ?? Has to be over 90 ?!

Here is a long answer to a short question:

QUOTE=daredevil;2884986]No,,the only OPA event i will do is St. Clair.

What speed did u see sofar ?? Has to be over 90 ?![/QUOTE]

I had filled the 140 gallon to where it overflowed, me, Will Smith, and my Uncle (Barry Hills) went out on Friday in Sarasota Bay; probably burned off twenty gallons or so at most before it ran 91 mph. It was running 91/90 mph @ 5000 rpm, with stock 34" Bravos. I am having the props blue-printed (matched), with just a twinge of performance work; the props cavitate when planing so that is the first area of propeller re-work. I would hope/expect a 2 mph gain when the boat is light on fuel, when the air is cooler than 90F with when there is a following sea not quatering seas, and two people (not three people), in the boat - and with the prop work (I am hoping for 3/4 mph) in combination with all the above 93+ mph would be fantastic, but I would take 2 mph in a heartbeat.

This speed is from a Livorsi pressure speedometer (waterpickup), and confirmed with Will Smith's hand-held GPS.

Motors: 540 cu.in. Darts with the MerCruiser 502/415 top-end EFI. 9.5 pistons, Iron ProTopline cylinder heads (I think they are 290's, not 320's). The Dyno at Innovation using my Gil Headers, not tube headers:

Dyno Numbers from Innovation:

Horsepower:
Port Motor: 517.7 hp @ 5000 rpm
Starboard Motor: 519.4 hp @ 5000 rpm

These motors peak at 5000 rpm on horsepower

Peak torque:
Port Motor: 646.2 lb./ft. @ 3700 rpm
Starboard: 641.0 lb./ft. @ 3700 rpm

To keep this in perspective I cruise at 3100 rpm, and there is 616 lb./ft. of torque there. These motors will idle at 650 rpm, but we bumped the idle to 750 rpm to be conservative.

That sums up a long answer to a simple question, but that is what lawyers do.

Stephen

PS - Dyno - AirIntake temperature: 81F
WaterIntake temperature: 77F

Just like summer conditions, not doctored in a 65F airconditioned room.

DareDevil 06-10-2009 09:06 AM

Nice # but even if they peak @5000 u can turn them higher.
I would say they are safe @5400,,up there u don't need HP to spin the prop ,just RPM and u would gain speed easy.
U should call Innovation and ask if 5400 is safe on these motors.
A stock 502 is 5400 as well as a 454 is 5200 RPM and i had my 454's @5400 all the time and never had any problems.
:party-smiley-004:
Just a thought.

@5400 should be @ 102 MPH with 34 pitch.
RPM X PITCH X 0.01 / 12 / 1.50 ratio = MPH

Other then that ,,,,WOW !!

NICE.:evilb:

Smarty 06-10-2009 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2885053)
Nice # but even if they peak @5000 u can turn them higher.
I would say they are safe @5400,,up there u don't need HP to spin the prop ,just RPM and u would gain speed easy.
U should call Innovation and ask if 5400 is safe on these motors.
A stock 502 is 5400 as well as a 454 is 5200 RPM and i had my 454's @5400 all the time and never had any problems.
:party-smiley-004:
Just a thought.

@5400 should be @ 102 MPH with 34 pitch.
RPM X PITCH X 0.01 / 12 / 1.50 ratio = MPH

Other then that ,,,,WOW !!

We set the rev limiters at 5100 rpm, looking for durability, and reliability, and conservatively set-up for worry free operation. These are solid motors, with all the best, they just were too dam $$,$$$ when it was all said and done. But you get what you pay for, and Innovation is a rock solid outfit with smart, stand-up men. I would do business with them anyday of the week.



NICE.:evilb:

We set the rev limiters at 5100 rpm, looking for durability, and reliability, and conservatively set-up for worry free operation. These are solid motors, with all the best, they just were too dam $$,$$$ when it was all said and done. But you get what you pay for, and Innovation is a rock solid outfit with smart, stand-up men. I would do business with them anyday of the week.

PS Rev limiters are set at 5400 rpm, not 5100...

Craney 06-10-2009 08:00 PM

Mayslanding low tide 9:37 am
high tide 3:47 pm

Smarty 06-10-2009 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Craney (Post 2885559)
Mayslanding low tide 9:37 am
high tide 3:47 pm

Thank you, I do appreciate the info.

DareDevil 06-10-2009 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by Smarty (Post 2885485)
We set the rev limiters at 5100 rpm, looking for durability, and reliability, and conservatively set-up for worry free operation. These are solid motors, with all the best, they just were too dam $$,$$$ when it was all said and done. But you get what you pay for, and Innovation is a rock solid outfit with smart, stand-up men. I would do business with them anyday of the week.

I AGREE ! 100 % ,,,have to anyways u are a laywer .LOL:grinser010:


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