34' Great Boat - No Bullsh*t
 

Today was the first day in two years I had been in what was my father's 34' Phantom. Will Smith (Phantom) and Innovation Marine (new 540 cubic inch Dart/MerCruiser EFI engines) put the boat back together after my father passed away last summer. It is outstanding! Boat runs strong, is a real sleeper, idles at 650 rpm-silent choice, spins 34" Bravo props, Ryan Beckley's graphics look great. It is truly a new boat.

It is a hot-rod. Thanks to all involved, I will post pictures early next week.

Congrats Smarty!!!!!

Thanks, what a relief. Will Smith is one good dude, really. My father is smiling from heaven on this outcome.

This boat acclererates like mad now, a torque monster from 3000 rpm to 5000 rpm. A great drag boat from 45mp/50 mph, - on up to 90mph, "it gets with the program in a hurrry!"
Flashbacks of the "Hairy Canary" (my father's previous boat a hot-rod 27" Magnum Sport) with respect to acceleration, in a much more stable platform. The Dart 540's work, thanks Dennis and his crew at Innovation Marine.

I do love riding and driving "Pipe Dream". Even in the roughest water it handles great. Great rough water and fast boats.

Congrats. Sorry to hear about your father.

Thanks, now that is a great picture of Pipedream. I will be getting pictures from Will, where he is driving our boat, and I am passenger that were taken last week, but now here it is, driving is Will Smith with Casey (his employee), I was just dropped off at the dock -and I am the photographer - not my best skill.

And the Phantom graphic down the bow (front deck) - Kinectic Animation aka Ryan Beckley, very nice. (I will try to improve on my picture posting). Picture taken on the tow home.

Looks great...see ya on the bay. You still putting in at Barber's?

Yes, I like Barber's Basin when the tide is right. I also like Kents Marina in Mays Landing/Egg Harbor Twp., which is again tide dependent.

I hope to be out in the boat Sunday, if I can get all the small stuff addressed - interior is out, carpet is out, needs waxing, bleed the brake system on the trailer, ect.

Stephen

Stephen boat looks great maybe see you down at Kents this weekend.

I will have to figure out the tides for both marinas, when is high tide Sunday at both? Anyone?

Smarty,

The boat looks fantastic!!! Have fun with it.

U Have A Nice Boat There !!!!!!

Congrats !!

Thank you, not the 100 mph that you had predicted, but with the amount of horsepower the engines are making I think it is running great.

Will you be racing at Pt. Pleasant, NJ?

No,,the only OPA event i will do is St. Clair.

What speed did u see sofar ?? Has to be over 90 ?!

Here is a long answer to a short question:

QUOTE=daredevil;2884986]No,,the only OPA event i will do is St. Clair.

What speed did u see sofar ?? Has to be over 90 ?![/QUOTE]

I had filled the 140 gallon to where it overflowed, me, Will Smith, and my Uncle (Barry Hills) went out on Friday in Sarasota Bay; probably burned off twenty gallons or so at most before it ran 91 mph. It was running 91/90 mph @ 5000 rpm, with stock 34" Bravos. I am having the props blue-printed (matched), with just a twinge of performance work; the props cavitate when planing so that is the first area of propeller re-work. I would hope/expect a 2 mph gain when the boat is light on fuel, when the air is cooler than 90F with when there is a following sea not quatering seas, and two people (not three people), in the boat - and with the prop work (I am hoping for 3/4 mph) in combination with all the above 93+ mph would be fantastic, but I would take 2 mph in a heartbeat.

This speed is from a Livorsi pressure speedometer (waterpickup), and confirmed with Will Smith's hand-held GPS.

Motors: 540 cu.in. Darts with the MerCruiser 502/415 top-end EFI. 9.5 pistons, Iron ProTopline cylinder heads (I think they are 290's, not 320's). The Dyno at Innovation using my Gil Headers, not tube headers:

Dyno Numbers from Innovation:

Horsepower:
Port Motor: 517.7 hp @ 5000 rpm
Starboard Motor: 519.4 hp @ 5000 rpm

These motors peak at 5000 rpm on horsepower

Peak torque:
Port Motor: 646.2 lb./ft. @ 3700 rpm
Starboard: 641.0 lb./ft. @ 3700 rpm

To keep this in perspective I cruise at 3100 rpm, and there is 616 lb./ft. of torque there. These motors will idle at 650 rpm, but we bumped the idle to 750 rpm to be conservative.

That sums up a long answer to a simple question, but that is what lawyers do.

Stephen

PS - Dyno - AirIntake temperature: 81F
WaterIntake temperature: 77F

Just like summer conditions, not doctored in a 65F airconditioned room.

Nice # but even if they peak @5000 u can turn them higher.
I would say they are safe @5400,,up there u don't need HP to spin the prop ,just RPM and u would gain speed easy.
U should call Innovation and ask if 5400 is safe on these motors.
A stock 502 is 5400 as well as a 454 is 5200 RPM and i had my 454's @5400 all the time and never had any problems.
:party-smiley-004:
Just a thought.

@5400 should be @ 102 MPH with 34 pitch.
RPM X PITCH X 0.01 / 12 / 1.50 ratio = MPH

Other then that ,,,,WOW !!

NICE.:evilb:

We set the rev limiters at 5100 rpm, looking for durability, and reliability, and conservatively set-up for worry free operation. These are solid motors, with all the best, they just were too dam $$,$$$ when it was all said and done. But you get what you pay for, and Innovation is a rock solid outfit with smart, stand-up men. I would do business with them anyday of the week.

PS Rev limiters are set at 5400 rpm, not 5100...

Mayslanding low tide 9:37 am
high tide 3:47 pm

Thank you, I do appreciate the info.

I AGREE ! 100 % ,,,have to anyways u are a laywer .LOL:grinser010:

Putting in at Barber's tomorrow (after 1:00 PM), me my Aunt, my cousin and his girlfriend, family day out - then down to Lloyd's creek late afternoon. Maybe I will see you out.

Stephen:ernaehrung004:

Pictures of Steve E.'s 34' Phantom and our boat. Steve's son - Steve Jr. took the running shot pictures; my boat was running either low or mid-eighties in the picture (due to driver error and prop work that backfired, lost 4 mph top end), Steve's boat was faster yesterday; it looks good and acclerates strong. :)

We will run again, he is a good dude, and I had a great day out on the water.

(I want my 4 mph back!!!!!!!!!!!!) :(

More shots

where you in fresh water or salt water? thats good for a little.
get bblades involved, do a little toe in or out of the drives and the tie rod. 4-5 mph is an easy gain! good luck really would like to see and hear that boat strut its stuff!

Christian,

I got greedy, I wanted more top end mph, and no cavitation when planing - that is why I had propeller work last week. So the work was completed. The boat cavitated way less but the propeller slip jumped (I have spoken with a few knowledgeable propeller people today). I will have to go back to more cavitation when planing to get my top end mph with these 34" Bravo. The ultimate solution, according to Julie from Throttle-Up and Will Smith, is a set of five blades - I have already made inquiries on a set of Maximus props. I need to bump up my rev limiters too, that was the driver error, and slip in combination. Steve E. in the other Phantom was coming on by and I could not understand why I was getting passed. In the end it was simple, he was just faster - I was too greedy and looking for too much trim - then against the rev limiter and the boat slowed considerably, I have to realize this is not a Hydrostream or a Allison, no tail riding.

I keep testing and trying different things, it will get all sorted out. I just want to get back to what we had last week in Sarasota. I just can't get to greedy, and expect too much. Word of the day humility!

Steve,,,u will get it right ,,,take your time .

And like i said u can rev them easy to 5400 RPM at that point it will not matter if the HP drops down ,,uhave the momentum already so u only need a little more RPM and the thing will fly at close to 100 !!!!!

Like i said before !!:evilb:

Scott

[QUOTE=Smarty;2888583]Pictures of Steve E.'s 34' Phantom and our boat. Steve's son - Steve Jr. took the running shot pictures; my boat was running either low or mid-eighties in the picture (due to driver error and prop work that backfired, lost 4 mph top end), Steve's boat was faster yesterday; it looks good and acclerates strong. :)

We will run again, he is a good dude, and I had a great day out on the water.

(I want my 4 mph back!!!!!!!!!!!!) :([/QUOTE

i'm also still dialing mine in, since i took my sand bags out of the front the boat it handles different so i'm trying to ajust. i need someone who is good with carbs so i can get mine dialed in better,i have a black film on the back of the boat from running alittle rich. last fall i seen a little over 90 and the best this year is 87 so i think some carb ajusting and recheck the timing is in order.

[QUOTE=p29steve;2888748]Alot people in the Philly area use Dean Nickerson (he is a carb guy), I do not have any first hand experience with Dean, or call Bobby Wallace at Offshore.

go see dean, you get what you pay for but he is the best.
ask for the full race treatment and let them know what your running!

smart, get bblades involved!!!! you will find that they know their stuff. we worked with them all in dialing the 32 and 38 even the sut.

good luck

[QUOTE=p29steve;2888748]Give Tim Zepp a call ( he tuned 56 hp ) on the dyno .
we showed up with Nickersons ... after some drilling and jet / booster changing .First pull before any carb work was @ 560 hp ... 616 hp final pull.
Tim Zepp Racing Engines 856-589-5658

I took a few too.

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The pictures look great. I did not realize you were snapping shots. Thank you. It was great to be back at Lloyd's Creek. that was THE favorite place to stop for my father, he loved it there. He could bullsh*t about engines, mechanical stuff or whatever with the guys, and or girls there too.

Perfect example of how good the boaters at Lloyd's Creek are; you took pictures and posted them here, others helped me when I pulled in to anchor, tie-off, ect. Everytime I have been there every one has always been nice, helpful. And the memory of my father was talked about Sunday, people do genuinely care. Good people, good times, and we all like hot-rods. Good combination. And I like it there too.

Someone suggested to my Aunt who was in the boat, that we should name the boat; he suggested "Alan's Dream." It was my father's, Alan R. Jones, goal/dream to see this boat through to where it is today (just faster, but that is coming). That is a good suggestion.

Thanks,

Stephen

Your Welcome Steve!!!!

Man I can't wait to get out there! Those pics look great. See you guys soon....

where is Llyod's creek?

On the right hand side coming in the Sassafras river.

It is about two miles east of Betterton, MD - I would think the address would be Still Pond, MD, that's a guess. You would like it there.

Do not try to pass thru the area I have circled.

Steve ,

Boat looks great , I truly think of your father all the time and know for sure he is looking down with a big smile and very proud of you !!

Larry