Tank ,,i agree a tat with that saying,,,but "UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS" a 33 PP is able to stand against any other boat out there.
That was actually the main discussion.
And tell ,,,what speed where run back in the days in a 38 race cig ???? MAX ,,80 !!!!!

So again,,,thats nothing really today. And still i would give them a run for there money in big water up to 80 MPH.
Thats all i am saying everything over 5+ and 80 ,,,and lets not fool anybody is hairy in any boat at some stupid point !!!

Also,,,if he now thinks to get all the cig guys involved to hold his hand ,,,mor power to him.
I don't even own a PP any more.
These are just facts i am stating since i have been in both and many more thru out my life,,mine and others.

daredevil, you can't be an expert at everything.

Jeff,,,,,come on ,,u know me better then that .LOL

FACT'S DON'T LIE !!!!!!!!!!

Here's the original question:


"Ok here goes trying to figure out best plan for me and I would really value your opinions. I have a 1999 33 sportdeck twin 502 mpi's thinking about rebuilding motors & up grading the out drives without losing the reliability thats option 1. Option 2 is to step up to a 38 cigarette t/s ready to go . My goal is to be in the 90's+ dont know which is more feasible found a couple tg for around 130k guess I just wondering if I do most the work myself on my boat what I m looking at and what combinations are best . I'm thinking I would need at least 650hp not sure what for outdrives . Like the thought of a bigger boat but never rode in a cig Thanks for everyone input"

Basically should he dump money into his current (older) 33 PP to make bigger power to reach a desired speed? Or step up to a newer, bigger boat that will run the desired speed on turn key power?

I really think that question is a no brainer right there. Even if we weren't talking about a Cig. Move up to a newer bigger PP if he's brand loyal. Or if he really wants the speed, buy a 38 Fountain.

On the topic of this "Debate", your exeriences don't necessarily count as fact in the form you refer too. It's not a "FACT" a 33 powerplay will beat a 38 Cig in 4+ water with equal power just because you may have done it. You may have experienced that but many other factors come into play (i.e. driver experience).

I used to run a 24' Baja Outlaw like I stole it. I'd keep up with boats in big water that were MUCH bigger and faster than my boat. I can tell you this, they weren't getting the sh!t kicked out of them like I was, or punishing their equipment. I was young and didn't care, what can I say?

I'll stick with my original point. There's no substitute for size. And unless you run in flat water 90% of the time, size is going to matter.

U know what i did read that question wrong then ......but still same power ,,and me in the boat ,,,and i keep up. I like getting beat around ,,and if the boat is set up right,,there is not allot of beating. LOL

It's all good. It's conversations like these that make these forums interesting.

Haven't even pulled the boat out of the garage yet. Did a lot of work on boat this winter and need to take for a run. This week is bike week so I got a house full. I am on vacation July 4 th week so boat will be in by than.

I think this boat was crushed in rack storage during the hurricanes and rebuilt. On florida sportman web site there was also talk of it hitting the bottom in shallow water wake jumping. It was odd it had the 496's in it.

Yes I'll be at the Hall of Fame run At Alexandria Bay june 19-20 & August 7-8 1000 Islands Run plus its pirates week that whole week fun time usually just run around with the boats but have not gone in the runs not sure what else yet where do they advertise the run for oneida lake I'm up there all the time never see nothing going on . Hope to see you guys Mark

Going Nuts,,,if u ever sell yours ,,becuase of moving to a slow big boat .LOL

Let me know ,,i may be in the market for a PP again.

So i can show u that u made a mistace by selling it . LOL