PQ Legend Hull
 

Anyone here ever checked to see if a 2000 PQ Legend has a hook in the hull? Like put a straight edge along the bottom of the boat (4 ft. level or whatever) from the transom forward to see if there's a space between the bottom of the boat and the straight edge?

I understand some boats/hulls have the hook built in, to help with getting up on plane and help reduce the tendancy to porpose.

Thanks in advance!!

Yes they do.

Thanks for the reply Knot 4 me. There's one for sale in the SW classifieds that has a decent asking price. I seem to keep going back to the add again and again LOL

My 23 Nova has the hook which is why I think it likes so much trim in the out drive at speed. I also think the hook might be slowing me down, as it takes 500 hp (ZZ502/502) to go 70 mph on gps. My ZZ has recently been bored/stroked to a 557 and I've been looking for a little more "hull" to drop it in. 26 PQ on SW is affordable, and seems like a good deal. And I've heard the 26 PQ is pretty good in snotty water, for a 26. Just a little hesitant about that phark'n hook.

Thanks again!!

I traded my Legend for a Sunsation because of that hook! Same power...288 instead of a 260 and does a solid 5+MPH more with the same power.

The Powerquest was roomier and the cabin was wider though.

they both weight about the same,but the sunsation has a pad bottom,you get a little more speed but a slightly rougher ride.

I've never ridden in a 26 PQ but I've heard the ride is good for a 26. I have poked around in one and I like the overall quality, cockpit size/room, and the wind shield too (family friendly).

Seems like tabs would take care of any tendancy to porpose and of course get up on plane. Think it might be worth the time/$$ to grind the hook out and re-gel that portion of the bottom??

I know that ultimately, getting a boat without hook would make more sense. But funds are limited. And the 26 PQ has allot of desireable features, to me.

Thanks, I appreciate the input everyone.

I can tell you this. The Powerquest pretty much needed the tabs to get up on plane. The Sunny doesn't bat an eye...tabs or no tabs. I believe the Sunny has a bit better ride but it is longer. I really liked the Powerquest...but was facing the same issue you are investigating. Pretty much was told by those in the know here you would have to throw a ton of power at it to see 80 and then the ride would not be so stable. I came across what i considered an H of a trade so I traded. I am happy and the most important part is my wife is tickled pink! Thought about blueprinting the hull but just couldn't justify it and would definately be a bit of a gamble.

The Sunsation is 300lbs heavier and holds 30 more gallons of fuel.

I have been in a couple of PQ 260 and they didnt need any tab to come on plane,that is why they have the rocker in the back,
the boat was designed to run without any tab at all,that is the reason the rocker is put between the outer lifting strake and chine,it has no effect when going fast,that part is out of the water.
sunation builts a good boat but think about what your are saying,you take a boat like the 260 with a deep V and will be a bit slower because theres more boat in the water,more drag,but when you jump out of the water and re enter it will have a softer entry/better ride.
now if you take the sunsation with the pad on the bottom and a narrow beam it will be a little faster because it rideing on top of the water with less drag but every time you re enter the water its going to have a hard entry.
again I am not taking anything away from sunsation,this applys to any pad bottom boat

Leave the rocker alone. Add 280 K-planes to help with chine walk at higher speeds.

I have to disagree with you here. You cannot just say that because of the pad the 288 Sunny will have a rougher ride than the straight v-keel on the 260 PQ. There are other factors that come into play. From my own experiences, the 288 Sunny has a better rough water ride than the 260 PQ. Other's experiences may be different depending on how you trim the boats out at speed.

The 288 Intimidator and 32 Dominator hulls also have a small amount of rocker between the chine and first strake at the stern. It is not as pronounced as the PQ, but it is there.

I was just giving my experience driving both boats. The Legend would get on plane without the tabs...but had a much easier time with the tabs. Don't notice much difference with or without the tabs on the Sunsation.

The biggest thing that helps the Sunsation is it has somewhat of a stepped hull.

Don't get me wrong! I also liked my powerquest...just wanted a little more speed. The Sunsation uses quite a bit less fuel than the Powerquest as well.

As for ride...I'll let you discuss that with my wife! :D Too much bouncin and shes b*tchin! :angry-smiley-038:

So, there is no "rocker" between the keel and inner chine (sorry, I guess hook isn't quite the right term). And the rocker is out of the water at speed.... well then, it would seem the rocker wouldn't be an issue at speed.

I realize the 26 PQ is not necessarily the optimum hull for speed. But, I do have just shy of 700 hp to move a boat along (5% correction factor :D ). I would think that would get a 26 PQ into the high 70's, maybe low 80's ?

I found too that different props can make a substantial difference in overall handling, including chine walk. At least that's the way it went with prop testing when I put the ZZ502/502 in my Nova.

Thanks again for the input everyone. You guys have been very helpful !!

I just put a straight edge on mine and theres no hook at all..
I've own a 26 for 3 years now and I can tell you for a fact that you don't need tabs to plane!! I've had up to 10 people on board and still never dropped the tabs. Thats spinning a 23 or 21p mirage plus. That hull jumps on plane with no issues at all and delivers a solid predictable ride. I will say it does like a lot trim to get to the top end and she will walk a bit. However after a couple years of trying props I found the Hydromotive Q1V-X 4blade really help settle the boat down and now likes the tabs dropped a bit. My boat came with the dual ram insta trim tabs sport model. I pulled the lower part of the tab and installed the larger tabs which I belive were 15-16" in length. Up until the prop change I really never used the tabs. As for the Sunsation having a better ride? I would hope so , if I'm not mistaken its only got a 8' beam and of course nearly 3 foot in length.

The 26 is a great boat and I beleive was PQ's best seller with the 29 not far behind. For a 26 you can't go wrong!

I don't know if there were any changes to the hull design...mine was a 2003. If I didn't use the tabs a bit on mine with a 23 mirage it would act like a boat that didn't need tabs that was trimmed up a bit(would easily cut a second or more off planing time using the tabs). The 260 is definately a taller boat. More meat or hull in the water so ta speak. I never tried hard to max mine out because of the wife...but the best I ever got was 62 on a handheld GPS and was starting to get squirrely(496 Mag HO). In it's defense I didn't put but about 10 hours on it so I really didn't have a chance to tweak or learn so to speak. I never put a staight edge on mine...got enough confirmation here from members about what I am talking about.

I also thought the rocker was put in to stop porposing...not to get on plane! The sunny loves to porpose trimmed up without a little tab! :D Only got about 10 hrs on her as well!

I was under the impression the rockers were in place simply to improve on planning time? With the rockers in place (if that thought is correct) PQ could get a way with no tabs to help cut cost???? Just a thought. I've never had any issues with the boat porposing, just walking a bit on top end.But than again like most others is not very often due to the wife. The 26 is defiantly not a speed demon, just a good solid ride with some pretty good lines.:D:D

okay today after work im checking for the hook,

i never use my tabs, take it to 3000 rpm and boat lifts an lays out nicely, only time i use my tabs are in the wind to even the boat out, used my gps for the first time on the boat last night
and got to 60 mph at 4200 rpm, cant seem to get more than 4200 rpm with the 23P mirage but have not really played much with the trim or the tabs,

by the way that is my boat for sale on SW

FAST FORWARD..... WHEN YOU TESTED PROPS WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TABS 2 AND SO ON
DO YOU HAVE INDICATORS

Yep I have indictors on the dash. In the past the boat would loose speed with the tabs down. With the new prop and the lift it provides the boat now like some tab.

Not sure what power you have but based on your numbers your speedo is very happy or your tach is off. I could hit 60 on a very good day (once) with the 23 Mirage Plus with a 454 mag efi at 4600-4700 rpm.

speed was on the gps,, all tack numbers are about the same as yours until it gets up to 4000

was not sure about my tack myself, my spedo is within 1-2mph of my gps, gonna check the tack this week..... 454mag mpi

Be wary of that tach. I have seen others here say the same...tach will go to 4000 and speed is too high. I had a tach cost me an ignition system...would only go to 4000. 1st time I pushed to probably 5000 it smoked my new ignition.

So lennyk.... you're catfish over on "Speedbump".... I mean Speedwake LOL

Per my post on SW, I'm in the midst of a domestic/wife related situation at the moment. As in, might have to buy my 1/2 of the house, boat, whatever back, if ya know what I mean. I haven't made that public knowledge on the boat sites as it's not the kind of stuff I broadcast. I'm working on things to see what my $$ sitch is or should I say, will be. If it doesn't look like I'm gonna get my ass kicked too bad, I'd definitely be interested in taking a look at your PQ. I hope to know more in a week or two. If your boat hasn't sold by then I'll get in touch with you. Either way good luck selling!!

hope everything works out for you,

things are pretty slow right now in the boat market, so check back in when your ready, you never know

Thanks, I will for sure.

Who needs trim tabs if you are flying???
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Nice shot! Looks like I'm getting winterized this week:(:(

As you can see the (rocker) is out of the water at higher speeds,just there to get you on plane faster.

Nice shot!!!!

Sorry for the delay in this reply

That shot is not a typical "on plane" shot. He's launching quite a bit. I have a '93 which does have the built in wedge. I've observed the back of the boat directly at speed and the wedges are definately in the water. With a 580hp 502, the wedges never get more than half way out of the water.

I've been told by an ex powerquest employee that they removed the wedge sometime in the mid '90's when they started putting tabs on most of them. If I remember correctly he said they did the hull mods when it went from a 257 to a 260.

If you have the wedges, you will definately know it. with them there is no way to get the bow out of the water. The harder you push the boat, the harder it pushes the nose into the water. No amount of positive trim will ever losen up the boat.

You will also not need a straight edge is you're looking at the hull on a trailer. It is a very apparent molded in wedge between the outer strakes and the chines. In fact it is easy to feel by hand even if the boat is in the water

Even without the wedge, the 260 is going to be a slower boat than most for the same reasons already listed. It's a wide boat (even compared to most with the same beam), to make room for that big cabin. There's no pad, and on most of them, the prop is really deep in the water (I picked up 6mph raising the prop 2in).

Remember, length, beam and deadrise do not tell the entire story. A comparison to a 28ft velocity (about the same ACTUAL LOA as the 260) is a pretty good example. They may be the same length deep V's but they're entirely different boats, not only in speed but also in accomodations and ride quality.

I'll have to disagree on the rocker removal. I could be wrong but I've looked at a lot of 257/260 over the years and I've never seen one without the rocker. I have a 97 and it has the rockers plus tabs. And if you really think about it the last few years PQ was open they really were cutting out the extras and I noted several 260 without tabs at the dealers. Which means the would have the rockers in place thus no need for the tabs.

I still believe the rockers do nothing but help assist in getting on plan and after that do little to nothing due to there location.

The '98 and 2001 260's I looked at buying both had the rocker. There is a '97 290 sitting on my dock and it too has the rocker.

Rock on!!!!:D:D

"Hello Cleavland! Rock and Roll!"

I have a 2000 PQ 260. I have tabs but no "rocker". It launches to plane just fine without either one. Interesting discussion. The PQ rocks in Lake MI. Nice deep V hull and perfect for performance boating without breaking the bank account and the family doesn't get scared = more boating time.

PQ26, Thats very interesting on the non rocker. Are you sure you don't have them?? They are on the very outside of the bottom between the chine and the 1st lifting strake. I'd say they drop around a 1/2" down total.

Photo would be nice as well. It would be very interesting in fact if you don't have them and why the chose to remove them. I'd love to ride in one without to see what the real difference is. I see your in Holland so we may have to hook up.

Rocker
 

I don't have any good pics of that area and the boat is in rack service for the winter (I can't get to it). I'm in Lake Mac or down at Laketown Beach most of the time. Our boat has a raspberry swoosh, dark teal swosh and black checker graphics (I don't think I can post a pic). I'll keep an eye out for you next summer.

First off, are we sure we're all talking about the same thing?? At first I thought some just had their terminology wrong, but now I'm wondering.

Hook: When the bottom "hooks" down at the transom. Causes stern lift. Usually not intentional but a result of bad construction or storage bunks.

Rocker: The bottom rounds UP at the transom. Causes bow lift. Also usually not intentional, and if it is, is generally viewed as a "cludge" for a badly designed boat.

Wedge: An actual "wedge" that is purposely built into the transom to provide permanent stern lift. This is what my 257 has.

I've only seen the bottom of one other newer 260 and it didn't have the wedge. The guy I talked to from PQ sounded really knowlegable, but I can't verify anything other than what I've actually seen.

As I said, my wedges are definately partialy submerged all the way up to over 65mph, and SOMETHING is driving the bow down with a force that no amount of trim can tame.

I know what my boat does but I can't vouch for yours. I will be blueprinting my hull this fall and will be removing the wedges. I am told I should gain 5-7mph by doing this, and that coresponds nicely with what a 24deg V hull should be able to do with 580hp. If I get nothing, I guess you'll have the last laugh.

Since my 257 is sitting in the driveway awaiting engine removal, I figured I'd try to get a couple pictures of the wedge. Easier to see and feel than to capture in a picture but here goes.

THe first is directly in back of the outer strake. you can see how the transom is lower to the left of the strake. This is the wedge.

In the second picture you get a side view of the wedge. you can see by looking at the strake that the bottom of the boat angles down at towards the transom.

Bingo! What your are referring to as the wedge is what I was calling the rocker. I would be most interested is hearing the results of your blue printing.

What was the point of this thread again?