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2mph more with Hydromotive
Going off FastFoward's prop test and evaluations, my hydromotive 23P Q4 arrived today.
Going from a 3 blade Mirage Plus to the a 4 Blade was very nice. Got me out of the hole and on plane very quickly and my top end gained 2 mph more with no chine walk. I had a lot on the first go around but I had it trimmed out too much, I dropped it down two short clicks and it locked solid. Thanx Fast Forward for the all the testing and making this so easy! |
I see you are using a 23 pitch hydromotive--what pitch Mirage plus were you using?
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Originally Posted by Powerquest_Baby!!
(Post 3084652)
I see you are using a 23 pitch hydromotive--what pitch Mirage plus were you using?
My main concern was chine walk above 60mph. I really had to drop the tabs to control it with the 3 blade Bravo. With 4 blade Hydro, I didn't drop them at all, added a lil more trim and poof it was gone without losing any speed. |
Where did you get the Hydromotive prop and how much did you pay? I assume its a Quad IV?
I just had a new engine installed and am now underpropped! I am running a Mirage 21p now and am hitting 5000 rpm at mid throttle! |
I have a 23p high 5 for sale if you think it would do you any good.
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Originally Posted by Powerquest_Baby!!
(Post 3085605)
Where did you get the Hydromotive prop and how much did you pay? I assume its a Quad IV?
I just had a new engine installed and am now underpropped! I am running a Mirage 21p now and am hitting 5000 rpm at mid throttle! |
What motor or HP are you running?
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I have a 454 Mag EFI which was rebuilt last year. Stock HP was 385--I dont know what I have now. I found a local shop that is going to let me try out a 23p Mirage Plus this weekend (just have to put down a deposit). If I decided to buy its $400.
Really curious to try a Hydromotive IV 23p but no one has them locally. I found a company that would have to order it for me (no returns) and it would run about $610 including hub and shipping. Current prop is a 21P Mirage (Not plus). Before the rebuild I was hitting 60 mph at 4800 rpm but clearly have more power now. |
If I were you, I would search for FastForwards threads on prop testing. I seriously think over a 2 yr period he test over 8 props and the Hydro came in #1 by far. < than $650 for a new QIV with hub is a decent price since a new one w/hub is $700.
A Mirage Plus 23p 3 blade will do a lot better than your 21p, but the QIV is the best for our boat. I'm running the same motor as you, I had my bottom end rebuilt last year so we are kinda in the same boat, pun intended. Remember the 26sx hull is NOT a speed demon hull, so other boats acquiring the same modifications might do much better than ours. However, I can now do 65mph with NO chine walk and that was more than I was expecting. I would sell your 21p and buy the Hydro QIV. Good Luck |
I searched for his fast forwards thread on prop testing but cant find it. I remember reading it a long time ago and remember it was very thorough. That being said Ive decided to take your advise and spend the extra dough--I just ordered a new Quad IV 23 P for $545 shipped. The Mirage + would have cost me $410 with tax so the difference wasnt enough to justify the loss in performance.
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Here is the link, he also has multiple other test evaluation threads, good move on the QIV, it will be a night and day difference with that 21p.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/p...ting-info.html |
After reading that thread Im definitely happy I chose to spend the extra money and get the Hydromotive. It arrives tomorrow and Im heading down to Havasu on Monday for the Desert Storm so thats where Ill be doing my prop testing (should be fun!!).
Bert--Have you had a chance to take your boat out and run it with the Hydro? Just curious if your numbers are similar to FastForwards. |
Yes, I ran her for about 20 minutes. She ran VERY well, the biggest benefit was out of the hole and just plain acceleration. I'm up to 60mph very quickly where as before it would take while even when already moving.
I need some more seat time to dial it in with trim setting, no chine walk @ 60 or greater, that was my main goal. Just remember our hull is NOT a hull that responds greatly for speed with modifications. Don't expect a whole lot of top end because the only way to get there is to pour a ton of money into the boat. Instead save the $$$ and buy a Revenge, that hull responds greatly. Good Luck and keep us posted |
How'd that prop turn out Pquest?
We have similar hulls, and someone recommended that for my boat too. Sort of prop shopping this spring. I have a 23 Mirage plus right now, can hit 63 with a tailwind and 1 gallon of gas. Full trim, I'm about 58 most of the summer. Trying to squeek out a few more mph. 496, 375hp. Thanks- |
Took the 280 to the RoyalPurple poker run last weekend with a P5X 26" hydro.The water was kinda bad(3-5 footers) but I did get to run some in the Diversion canal so I thought I'd pass it along.....full tank(100gals,four adults,beer!)52mph @3800rpm.With a 28" B1, mph would be around 48.All numbers GPS,of course! Thought y'all would be interested in the comparison. Didn't get to do much else because of conditions.More later.The 280 is still for sale.Bob
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I hit 60 mph at Havasu...With the 4 blade it gets up to speed real quick (compared to the 3 blade)...I was hoping for more top end but Ill have to retest here in Seattle (Havasu is at 1800 feet) and see what I get. Definitely happy with the midrange power.
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we should maybe meet one day at Coulon and do some prop swapping/testing. I want to try a few out, thinking of trying a Turbo-Vector on a recommendation for my setup-
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Sorry for not checking in more often after selling the PQ last year and stepping down to a more family friendly boat for the time being I've been on other sites. Do miss the PQ and have really had second thoughts on the sale! Glad it worked out on the prop. That was one of the best investments I made on the boat.
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Originally Posted by launchpad475
(Post 3101462)
we should maybe meet one day at Coulon and do some prop swapping/testing. I want to try a few out, thinking of trying a Turbo-Vector on a recommendation for my setup-
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This is input Ive received on the Hydromotive Q-IV. I was told that this prop may not be the best for my boat and after asking why this is the response:
Because Q IV's create stern lift and not bow lift. They are better for boats that are designed to run flat, like stepped hulls and cats. Conventional V bottoms generally run best with Mirage Plus' or Bravo 1 props. Im only getting to 4500 RPM with my Hydromotive 23P and am still not sure its the right prop for my boat (top speed isnt any better than what I had before (was running a 21P Mirage at 5100 RPM) and Ive lost RPM's). I just ordered a 23P Mirage Plus off ebay and am going to try that out next week...May get it labbed depending on my speed and RPM.. The Q-IV may become a backup prop...We shall see |
Shoot, I went to a 4 blade. I have a 23p you could have borrowed.
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Originally Posted by launchpad475
(Post 3185349)
Shoot, I went to a 4 blade. I have a 23p you could have borrowed.
What 4 blade did you go with? Bravo? Im sure you are better out of the hole and in midrange but how is your top speed? Did RPM's drop (Im assuming you kept the same pitch)? |
I went with a bravo 1 4 blade 24p, and instantly fell in love with it. Better performance everywhere, 2-3 mph more at all rpm with same rpm as before side by side. I got about 1 mph increase overall.
Yes, I went from 4800 rpm to 4500 rpm. I sent it to bblades for $375 to be labbed to get the rpm back. I got it to 4600, with no real speed change. I've emailed them about it, haven't heard anything back. If I had to do it all over again, I would save the lab money. They weren't able to do anything with the loss of rpm, really I just need more HP to turn that thing another 200 rpm if I'm going to see anything. Thinking about turning my 496 mag into the HO over the winter. Not sure if the 50 HP will get me the 200 rpm or not. I should just leave it alone, but I've always had problems doing that. |
RPM is my biggest concern...with a 454 Mag EFI Im supposed to be running at 4600-5000 RPM and right now am below that range at 4500. I also think Ive lost some top end with the Hydromotive prop as well (anywhere from 2-3 mph over the 21P Mirage I was running).
Is your 23P Mirage Plus labbed or stock? I would love to hook up one day and tryout your Bravo 1 prop and Mirage Plus...Since I had my engine rebuilt last summer and replaced the drive Ive just been searching for the right prop and so far its eluded me. |
Let's wait until september. I'm on a lift right now for a little longer. I live right north of coulon, your welcome to try either one when things settle down. You know, all the blazing heat we have had this summer.:):lolhit:
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Sounds good. Im a season ticket holder for the Huskies so 9/11 and 9/18 Ill be busy (hoping to take the boat to the game on the 18th against Nebraska). Maybe one of those Sundays will work...Keep in touch!
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holy ****!!
I got a chance to tryout my new 23p Mirage Plus....one word: WOW!! Not only did my RPM's increase from 4500 to 5100 but my speed increased from 57 MPH to 63 MPH!! It feels like a whole new boat! She revs like a raped ape! Couldn't be any happier! The Hydromotive Quad 4 is clearly NOT the right prop for our Legends...I'm going to be putting mine up for sale.
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holy ****!!
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I ran a Mirage plus in both 23p and 21p on my 26 . In deed it was a great prop and I tried everything else under the sun. But the Hydromotive was the mack daddy on my 26. It turned better numbers all the way around plus the handling of the boat was much better. Could come down to drive and engine wear, humidity, altitude and a number of other things.
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i have a 96 257 legend with a stock 454mag carb. and am thinking about trying a 23p hydro. am running a 23p mirage plus now...hmmm. not sure what to do now
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Originally Posted by Fast Forward
(Post 3192876)
I ran a Mirage plus in both 23p and 21p on my 26 . In deed it was a great prop and I tried everything else under the sun. But the Hydromotive was the mack daddy on my 26. It turned better numbers all the way around plus the handling of the boat was much better. Could come down to drive and engine wear, humidity, altitude and a number of other things.
Im in Seattle which is sealevel so I would think your RPM and power would be even worse. I ran my boat in Idaho at 2100 ft elevation and could only get the RPM to 4300 and 55 MPH with the Hydro Quad IV. This is what really got me to thinking I needed a new prop. All I can recommend to anyone out there is to see if you can try some different props before spending your money! I spent $650 on my Hydromotive PLUS $80 on the hub--$730 total only to have the wrong prop for my boat. Lesson learned! |
Originally Posted by Powerquest_Baby!!
(Post 3193150)
Im really suprised to hear that because from what Ive read the Hydromotive Quad IV is a stern lifting prop and great for stepped hulls but not good for a conventional bottom. A conventional bottom runs best with a bow lifting prop such as a Mirage Plus (23P) or Bravo 1 (24 P).
Im in Seattle which is sealevel so I would think your RPM and power would be even worse. I ran my boat in Idaho at 2100 ft elevation and could only get the RPM to 4300 and 55 MPH with the Hydro Quad IV. This is what really got me to thinking I needed a new prop. All I can recommend to anyone out there is to see if you can try some different props before spending your money! I spent $650 on my Hydromotive PLUS $80 on the hub--$730 total only to have the wrong prop for my boat. Lesson learned! |
hydromotives for sale
I have a pair of quad 4 hydromotives right and left 23p both perfect. I only bought them as a pair and needed the right. I want to sell them to get the quad 4 x as I am running these on an older powerquest and want the bow lift not the stern lift. Make me an offer on them if interested
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I have a turbo made by hydromotive its a 24 3 blade gave my stock boat same speedas my 25mirage but at 23 mirage rpms. so if anyone wants it 250 takes it. also the merc rev 4 is a nice 4 blade bow lifter. art
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Originally Posted by AIR TIME
(Post 3221837)
I have a turbo made by hydromotive its a 24 3 blade gave my stock boat same speedas my 25mirage but at 23 mirage rpms. so if anyone wants it 250 takes it. also the merc rev 4 is a nice 4 blade bow lifter. art
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