Looking for an Avenger
 

Looking for an Avenger and any info about them that may be helpful.

Thanks

Shogren Marine had one... pretty nice looking from the pics

Noticed this one on my local Craigs List, can't see I've seen this one running...http://appleton.craigslist.org/boa/1930341773.html

Thanks guys. I appreciate all the help

There is one on ebay for sale right now out of Michigan.

No 98's, 99's or early 2000 models. Get a non step or go newer!

WHY!!!!

I'm not sure id avoid those years... I would probably go for those before a non stepped hull simply due to the fact of age and what speed gains you will see from the twin step design. Any progress lately in your search?

the first couple of years they had problems with the way they handle in upper speeds,

Most were recalled/taking back at the factory and had the bottoms reworked,by the end of2000 early 2001 they had most of the issues resolved.

Hmm good to no for future debates with fisher.... lol

[QUOTE=THE 288 KID;3213154]Hmm good to no for future debates with fisher.... lol[/QUO

you might want to hold off on that,
Another boat co has had its fair share of troubles as well

[QUOTE=boatnt;3213212]Baja and their David copperfield 29 outlaws that seem to magically separate in half in rough water and hi speeds?

[QUOTE=THE 288 KID;3213255]No,I was actually talking about a boat manufacture out of Michigan.

Which one would that be? lets get the controversey started.

ok Ill bite,
who used fake steps and called them Vortecs?


Sorry about the Hi Jack of the thread

I get done with a half step ( what u call a fake step ) all of what a silencer gets done with a full.

Next!

How many silencers have you ran? Plus I'm pretty sure the silencer would mash the chop a little better... I can't believe you STILL haven't learned its not how fast you can go it's how long you can go fast... and in how big of water...

Oh and back to the topic... boattrader.com had a few 380's and a few of the guys on the forum haven't listed their 380's but would, try pm'ing a few of them

I am confused are you guys talking about sunsation? if so what are they world champions of ?

O yeah fish cause u and I see sooo much big water action on our inland lakes we go to. Everything higgins or torch has my lil useless sunny can handle I'm quite sure, all at top speed.

How many have u ran? Rode in? Same as me 0. U speculate just as much as me or anyone else on here. I do have some knowledge based on seeing your boat in action as well as riding in it, doing that poker run on t.j.'s 42 fountain and watching 40 other boats that day handle multiple water conditions. And of course operating my boat in a vast aray of weather this summer as well as many bodies of water. I'm pretty sure what conditions keep my boat in the marina or on the trailer will keep a silencer parked right beside me for the reasons.

There's a couple avengers slipped at millers marina on lsc. They might be for sale. Anne the owner might be able to give you some leads if u called the marina. She's a great lady and would help you out I'm sure.

The difference is that I don't claim to have been... plus I know a few people with them or that have had them and know what speeds they were getting out of them with which props; the 288 isn't any faster. PQ's are known for being solid and smooth. I've been on the big water and will be a lot more next season... also torch can get rough enough to make it uncomfortable at high speeds as you found out.

apparently business plans and the ability to weather crappy economies...:lolhit:

On a serious note, they have world championship customer service... pretty sweet when 2nd in command calls you back personally to make sure you were able to find plastic trim tab brackets.

All right Kid 288 I like to read your replyes and you make my day at work go by faster,and unlike the sunsation cult we will not all jump on you like the Sunsation cult did when you posted that video of you running your 288 but,

As far as Sunsation been in busines they still have 07 sitting around for sale,I could be wrong but what I heard when they built the plug for the 36 they had all the local costumers help them because most of the help was laid off,and every time they sell a boat they start all this threads telling everyone they sold a boat,come on we dont all care that Sunsation sold a boat.

As far as Joe or Wayne answering the phone when you call the factory? well maybe if they where busy they would have a secretary answer and if they are so much about costumer service why dont they fix all the headliners that alot of sunsation owners are having?

and for the fake step?if it worked why did they add a real step in 05?

And as far as PQ going out of bussines all I can tell you its not because the quality of the boats they built.:drink:

And Ill tell you one more thing,
the thing that make Sunsation stand out is hands down Mitcher T

This is a good article if ya got time.

http://features.boats.com/boat-conte...rformance-gap/



I think its cool they broadcast boats being ordered and keep the Sunsation nation informed, I enjoy seeing them come together from mold to mitcher t paint layouts.

As for local guys helping at the shop, that's the beauty of Sunsation, a small boat company with owners, workers and customers all on the same page and helping eachother out. You'd never see that with a company like Baja, and look where there at.

As far as I no everyone is back to work at Sunsation.

I never sed Joe or Wayne answer the calls but they have called me back and that's awesome.

My boats an 03' and the headliners fine.

As for the step, to be honest, the step in my boat and even in the silencers are useless. They arnt even in the running surfaces IMO.

It's called r&d. My hull design was a good design, worked great for many years. In 05 it was time to step it up (literally) and they did. How much performance gain there actually was, now thats arguable as is most everything in the boating world with never actually being able to duplicate water conditions, wind etc. You get the point.

Every Sunsation owner I've met in person so far is a fantastic person. And I'm really proud to be among the ranks. That mixed with the companies focus on building great boats, looking to the future, and standing by there product from what I've heard and seen, puts me in another Sunsation after this one and prolly one after that.

And as for them having new 07's sitting around, your gonna find that with every manufacturer. its no joke the economies trash and the credit crunch has bone many would be boat owners, hell it almost kept me out of a USED boat and I got spotless credit and a decent job! My boat was ordered for the 03 model year by a guy, couldn't afford to take delivery on it so he just made interest only payments on it till 05'. That's when Steve heard bout it and went and snagged it out from under him. Hell just the other day I called on a brand new never titled 2007 28 challenger with a 600 sci, it was a dealer repo, just another example of why u sometimes seen new past model stuff sitting around.

Don't think I'm on here to start crap, cause I'm not. I like to joke and I'm a giant sponge when it comes to learning and knowing about what interests me, which as of this year with the sale of my car, BOATS. I was curious about the avenger issues that were mentioned and that led into a silencer taking bigger waves than my boat and I honestly can't say I agree with that, half step, fake step or full step aside.

Hey Im glad you like your boat and you should,its a very nice boat!
as far as Sunsation goes,they are trying to survive tough times just like everyone else and I give them credit for that!

as far as that article you posted,dont beleive everything you read,checkmate and sunsation are not selling the boats you think they are.

as far as the guys over at the sunsation site,well they beat you up pretty bad after you posted that video.

I dont think your here to start crap as a matter of fact I enjoy reading you post/replyes

and as far as Sunsation Broadcasting on the boating sites everytime they sell or take a order for a boat is a way for them to keep their name out there,
same thing we do at the shop I work at,when we are slow we bring our cars by the bay door and open the the hoods,making the public think we are busy,we have a name for that we call them lookers.

on a serious note the vortec step are useless and only there to fool people thinking they have a step bottom boat,and that came straight from Joes mouth at the Chicago boat show back around 2002,

Here's a decent article for you looking at the Avenger... its on the poker run edition but still you get decent specs and an idea of what they thought about it and its handling/performance.

http://www.boatingmag.com/powerquest-38-running-mate

A good friend has a 2002 PQ twin step 380 ,the boat is balanced just right and handles great,never a suprise on the ride especially around turns.and the cool thing is its a hull that PQ designed themselves

The early twin step 380's definitely had their share of hull problems. As stated above, most went back to the factory and had modifications done to the strakes to correct the problems. Later hulls were fine. I've ridden several times in a '99 380 with 525SC's and 12" boxes. In calm water, the boat tended to run too flat with Bravo I props. A switch to Hydromotive 5-blades really woke the boat up. In rougher conditions, such as after the Shootout at LOTO, the boat simply ate that water up. PQ's have great mold and gel work, roomy cockpits and cabins, and their interiors hold up well (even their own bolsters vs. the McLeod optioned boats). My only knock on them is their wiring could have been much neater and they should used more bus bars. I've driven both a 2000 280 Silencer and multiple 288 Sunsations (non-stepped hulls before '05). Although similar in size, they are two totally different boats IMO. Both are fine boats with their strong and weak points. It is a shame PQ closed their doors. The '99 380 I mentioned above might be able to be bought. I beleive one of the motors broke and is out of the boat at this time. If it is something you would be interested in I can give the owner a heads up on this thread. He is not on the site as much as he used to be in the past.

I agree 100% on the wiring statement.
but it seems like alot of boat manufactures do that,

I've actually been in contact with him about his boat... he's a touch out of my range at the moment but in a year or 2 if he still has it would be nice to make a deal... does he see 80 out of it with the 500's? I know he has a lot of ammenities added

The only time he sees 80s is when his on my boat!:hitfan:

Just kidding Calvin!

His right around 80 as well especially as the weather cools

Hey I understand where you coming from,and I hope they continue to do GREAT!

I dont know if its the boat,the economy or the dealer.Mohopac Marine just sold a new 288 they had sitting around for a couple of years and thats Sunsation #1 dealer.
Like I said before once you buy a Sunsation its like joining a cult,to me they are nice boats but dont kid yourself they are no Outerlimits or a Cig.
And please no need to have all the Sunsation guys come over here and beat me up over my statement,I have a couple of friends that own sunsations and I dont need anyone else to remind me that SUNNYS are the best!

as for customer service I got to be honest with you,up until last year when PQ closed its doors anytime I needed anything I called and had to parts the next day.

enjoy what you got and any day spent on the water no matter what boat your on is a good day:drink:

I hear ya boatnt, id recommend a fountain, Donzi, PQ, Powerplay, Cig, whatever it may be bc they are simply awesome boats... but seems like once a sunsation owner there are "blinders" put on and its sunsation or nothing due to AWESOME CUSTOMER SERVICE... its actually kind of turned me off to the brand which is unfortunate bc I've been a big sunsation fan as well as a lot of other brands since I was young. Now I can almost guarantee my next boat won't be a sunsation... leaning more toward the 34/38 PQ, 35ZR, or perhaps 35 lightning

No doubt. Not something unique to PQ. PowerPlay set the standard in how wiring should be done in an offshore boat IMO.

Not true they all want to own a Cig but you have to hand it to Sunsation IMO they have the best layout and dash designs of all boats even Cig but there is still something about the #1 on the side of a hull that I want someday! Donzi they are not for me I don't care what the price is Fountian I like the beak IMO but don't care for the dash or how low they seem to sit in the water. To each is own... Oh yeah and Fisher we might not wanted you to own a Sunsation having your friend own one is enough:lolhit::party-smiley-004:

There is a reason why they have a 1 on the side of them.

Also can we agree that if it wasnt for Mitcher Ts great paint jobs Sunsations would be just like other boats,Plain!