What Prop for Stinger 222?
 

G'day all,
I'm chasing a prop for my Stinger 222 with ~500hp BBC and Standard Bravo 1.

I've been told I'll need a four blade Bravo 23p (RH) (I hope) but could go up to a 25p.
The engine's built for around 4000-6000rpm but will be comfortable down low (enough to dock I hope). :p

I'm hoping for better than 70mph eventually but I've been told the boat should do between 60 and 70mph with my combo as is. (If I can find the right prop!)

Does anyone have any other thoughts or better yet, does anyone have such a prop for sale?
(That they can ship to Australia??):rolleyes:

Cheers! :drink:

The drive is mounted rather deep on that boat, a three blade will probably be faster. Depending on what rpm you are making the power, I'd suggest running a 25 or 27 Mirage Plus 3 blade.

Ghostrider,
I have a slightly used, but in brand new condition, Hill Marine 5blade 23'pitch stainless prop sitting in my house that I have no use for; I used it for about 1 hour on my old boat, but the prop had too much bite so I wasn't able to obtain WOT. My old set up was a 454Mag MPI with a bravo I; it was tweeked pushing out about 450hp.
If you are pushing over 500hp, have a 22' to 29' boat, this may be the perfect set up for you. If you are interested, private message me; I'll give you a great deal--well below new retail.

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Ghostrider! go to the chris craft forum I got a 202 stinger with a injected small block running a bravo1 30 pitch 4 blade,with 1:82 to 1 alpha running right on a 5500 rev limiter,running 80.So I would think with a big block,1:50 to 1 drive you should be able to swing a 26 or 28 bravo.Only problem I have is I have no up trim prop blows out. JOHN

MC, PM Sent, thanks!
Hey Fenderjack! I've read all about it, sounds great. I saw that vid of the Stinger chine walking over 60-70 and I'm trying to avoid that problem myself by limiting stern lift and having a full hyd steering set up.

Do you have any pics of yours you can email me?
JR

A three blade prop reduces transom lift and will be faster than a 4 blade in most cases. Also because of your prop-shaft depth, a three blade would be best. I would start with a 25 pitch Mirage+

Chris

Thanks Chris.
I'll probably wind up buying a selection of props to run for various occasions knowing me!
I'll check around and see if I can find a suitable Mirage+ 25p - 3 blade.
I found one on ebay, part number 48-13248-25. Is that the right one? (Item number: 230321748361)
Or this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...id=p2759.l1259
Anyone have one out there for sale??
Cheers!

I have a mirage 25p. email me your adress and I will send you pics. I will sell for $200 plus shipping. I also have a 27p mirage with fixed hub that fits a standard bravo drive. It appears to be an older prop, but is in fine shape. I will sell it for $180.
[email protected]

Ghoastrider,

Find a local prop shop and ask to demo a few new or used props.

Chris

TX, I've sent you an email thanks!

I'd love to find a local Prop Shop, but they all look at me funny when I tell them I have a motor other than an outboard! :grinser010:

I'll keep looking around though, there has to be someone in this city who deals in actual performance sterndrives or parts!

Out of curiosity, do any egg beater (outboard) props fit Bravo 1s?

Will a 3 Blade Cleaver fit a B1?
I've been offered one and don't know if it will even fit let alone work.
It's a 28P RH with a removable hub.
Any thoughts???

a hydromotive 3 blade 24 I have for sale. its got smaller pitch and diam than my mirage 25 I had. my 25 ran 4700 and the 24 was more 4900rpms same speed and 24 was faster for getting on plane and hitting top speed. its sitting cause I AM RUNNING a 5 blade 30 this year. I might be selling my labbed 26 too. its a 4 blade.with your deep drive a three will be better but a merc rev 4 which is used on OBs is GREAT FOR DEEP DRIVES THERES A 25 FOR SALE CHEAP MONEY IN THE SWAP section. I would sell the 24 for 250 and the 25 is around the same I think. if you want any help packaging the two together if you want mine I could box the to to see if over seas shipping would be cheaper. good luck with your power its fun I am going from 330hp to 390 hp then to 585hp then to 650 hp and know 1050hp over 18years in one boat started at 62/68/76/84 and now looking for 100 plus. art

yes it will but
they are old tech and take forever to get on plane, I tried one in 94 against my 24hydro it was a joke the 25cleaver went 56mph and my 24 hit 68mph. good luck look at that rev 4 25 inthe swap

Thanks Art, I'll let you know!
Next quick question (I have millions), Bobs Bigfoot Nose Cone? Worth it? Looks like it, and sure seems like a good idea to me!
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
John

I think I went with a imco nose cone on my 89 b1 drive because it was thinner than the bobs nose cone, it came out good back in 1994. but if you can measure your prop shaft height from the keel if its close to 6 to 7'' its deep and you would be better off going for a shortie drive case from imco a 1'' or 2'' which I have. its about 1800 new and you would swap the gears into it. thats what I have now and picked up 4 or 5 mph. my shaft is at about 5'' to 5 1/2 '' deep my boat flies level now handles better but need a 4 blade. I just bought a px5 30 for when the new motor goes in. so let me know the measurement and I will call around for you for the best price on either a cone or shortie, the phone calls cost zip for me but a lot for you I would think:ernaehrung004:. our hulls are both deep vee mine is 24ft with a 24 deadrise. cheers Art

Thanks Art, I'll measure my depth and let you know!

How important is diameter? I've seen various diameter props for Bravo 1s and I'm just curious to know what would be the best diameter for around a 25P prop or are they all standard depending on pitch and number of blades?

Hi again,
I've measured my shaft depth and was a little confused...
I measued the shaft depth at exactly 5 1/2" from the keel but it's around 8" from top of the step just forward of the drive on the bottom. I take it my measurement is only supposed to be from the keel itself? That's as far as I could figure out anyway!
If my drive is only 5 1/2" form keel, is my drive height about right? How is that possible with a standard B1 lower mounted where an Alpha used to be?
Just lucky I guess...
I'll take some pics tomorrow and post them if I get the chance.
Any advice is always helpful!

ok the keel should be the lowest point now you trim your drive level so your prop shaft will be lower to the ground than the keel if you put a straight edge on the keel let it come out to the drive measure the differents between the 2 which should be about 5'' normal or deep 7 to 8'' post to night I will stay up:D

ok your 25 mirage props from merc were ,I think 14 5/8 seems to stick my 24p hydro is 14 1/2 I think its in a box right now. you can have props cut down but thats mostly the merc max 5 blade, or hydro p5 and px5 props. I just picked up a px5 30p with a 15 d. it should be real close. the bigger the D it raises yor transom lift even if you have a bow lifting prop like the max 5 blade, if mine feels lose I would have bblades take a 1/4'' off. I will check here to night at 2 or 3am that might be when your up and about cheers art

Thanks Art!
I've had another go and as level as I can get the drive, I'm measuring 140mm which is 5.5" exactly.

I've found a Hydromotive 5 Blade (23P) and a 25P Mirage Plus. I hope to find a nice Bravo 26P 4 Bl to compare against as well.

Given that the engine's target rpm will be around 5200 with about 510hp at that rpm on tap, what should I expect from this hull?

THE 5 BLADE IS A P OR PX THE PX IS A BOW LIFTING PROP THE P IS STERN, i HAVE A LABBED 26B1, IF YOU TRY THE MIRAGE 1ST then I could tell you if you need a 26 or not but the 3 blade might spin a lot with the x being at 5 1/2'' thats about where I am at now with the boat and run a 4 put bought a px5 30p:ernaehrung004:

Artie, do you ever call out of the states often ? I have Sprint/Nextel called Canada for like 5-min. and got wacked for like 15$'s !

Goastrider, summer 4-u now GREAT !

Tell me about it! I was just down on the beach by my house and there was some punk running around the bay on his 19ft Bayliner acting like it was fast!
I really can't wait to get mine back in the water now!!

Hey Art, how much power do I need to swing a 5 Blade 30P? And if I did, what kind of speed could I get?

wow its my old co phone my dad never took it back soooo. put I have been using it a lot:eek: hellooo hellooo sorry your has been disconnected oooppps.:evilb:

a 5 would get us around 98 its a little slower than the 4. the guy I bought it off was getting 98 a 28ft rage900 to 1000hp I think we could break 100 thats possible. the drive will have to be a bravo 1xr beefed up or speed up quick not nailing it will let it last.

you 800 to 900hp maybe less, I can't go bigger prop it will just break the drive. I just bought a labbed 32 too. hope to hit 104 to 110 with it doing a kilo small chop 1' at 6000 top 6400rpms and slip would need to be 12% to 16%, right now I am at 12% 83.2gps at 5800 to 6000 rpm and still climbing it was hard to read the tach as I was moving my left hand on the steering wheel so fast to stop the chine :eek:walk, but with the new full hyd steering it should be gone. if I break the drive with the 5 blade I will cut it back a little and de pitch it to a 29:rolleyes:.theres a few 24 and 25ol baja boats running high 90s to 109, so I now it can be done:evilb:

I have a clean 26 bravo 4 blade rh 300.00 with hub, you pay for shipping [email protected]

Thanks Searaycer,
I'll let you know...

Now I think I'll get an IMCO nosecone and whack that on. Anyone a dealer or supplier on OSO I can ask?

try diamondperformanceparts.com he is on oso and has good prices artie

I have a 22' Donzi Classic so we're talking about a similar configuration with traditional 24 degree V and a deep X and the best prop on my boat to date is a 23P Mercury Revolution 4. It's a 4 blade with the rake to carry the bow and provide a bit more stable ride at WOT. On my boat a 23P Turbo 1 and the 23P Rev 4 have EXACTLY the same top end, 63.5 MPH on GPS. I'm only pushing 330 HP through the prop and my rev limiter is 4700 RPM so I'm getting all there is to get with a 5% slip.

I would suggest the 25P Revolution 4 and don't be too concerned about running 5200 - 5400 RPM if the motor is built for it. The resultant punch and responsiveness you get in the midrange by running a slightly smaller prop turning a few hundred RPM more at WOT can make the boat a lot more fun in the rough stuff.

Many have tried the B1 on these older, deep X boats and most don't like them. They just don't offer the leverage to carry the bow that these boats need. OTOH my Labbed 26P B1 on my old 26' Velocity was amazing. I used to spin it up to 5700 RPM and run low to mid 80's regardless of fuel or passengers and the responsiveness I had in rough water was simply amazing. I could easily control the way the boat flew with simple flicks of the throttle.

I picked up my Rev 4on ebay for about $385, it was the best prop purchase I've made in a long time.

That sounds good mate,
What's the diff between the Rev 4 and Bravo 1 4 blade that makes for such a change?

If I'm to get a prop 'labbed' am I supposed to start with the right sized prop and have it tuned, or am I supposed to go up one size (pitch) and the 'labbing' shaves it to suit?

The Rev 4 has a completely different blade geometry that was designed to provide more bow lift on boats with smaller HP that require the prop to carry the bow. It's a combination of pitch progression and rake that make it different. It's been my experience that the Bravo 1 likes a higher X to really perform well and can create some "interesting" handling quirks on boats with a low or deep X.

Labbing a prob is nothing more than asking your prop guy to blueprint the prop to either it's original factory specs or modified specs based on your requirements. Labbing a prop is a waste of time and money unless you have some baseline testing done with the base prop or another "labbed" prop of similar specs.

Typically labbing a prop meant truing up the blades and in the process thinning them along with sharpening the leading edge. These 2 things will tend to allow a prop with identical pitch turn slightly more RPM at WOT. Because of that people started to buy the next larger size then have it "labbed" to get to the WOT numbers they wanted.

The proper way to work a prop is to take the one you have/want and do proper testing, recording the performance over the entire range of operation. then, working with your prop guy you decide what characteristics you want and they incorporate that into the prop through the blueprint process. There's no reason to change the WOT RPM's through blueprinting if the prop already meets those requirements.

That makes sense, thanks! :ernaehrung004:

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hello i wanna know how much you want for the prop?? thanks a lot

I already bought it and have it on my boat.

Sorry

Have you had a chance to test yet? Just curious on how it's working for you.

I have a 222 but with a 383/Alpha. I run a 25P Mirage+ but I haven't had any testing time on it because I had to yank the engine back out (builder screwed me). Anyway, I'm hoping to be back on the water in a few weeks. My Mirage got me on plane effortlessly but I wasn't able to do any high-speed testing. I'm looking to spin 5500 or so and run in the upper 70s.

Well, It's been a while but here's some results:
Hill 5 Blade 23P = around 63mph at 4800rpm
Mirage + 3 Bl 25P = 68.7 mph and 4900rpm

I have a Bravo 1 24P but it's a bloody LH! (seller sent the wrong one!)

How hard is it to swap form RH to LH rotation. I've read some good reports about improved handling on a single drive running LH rotation. How do I pull that off? Is it complex?

I also just bought a Rev4 23P RH to see what that'll do. Any thoughts?

Brett, you might be getting my Mirage+ soon if you think it may be benneficial to my set up!

try a 23mirage prop old not a plus ! that will give you 5400rpm if you can only find a 23 plus ?that shuold if you 5300rpm . .your boat will wake up and be in the power band . 4900rpm is dogging the motor .. i am runnig a old 23mirage on my boat gps at 80mph at 5400rpm. i ran a 24trubo prop and i ran 4900 rpm at 75mph. and the boat was a dog !!!! i put that 23 on and my boat at midrange was alot fasterand top speed

??wt gears do you have in your drive????

1.50 gears, standard Bravo 1 drive and a Billet Marine Billet top cap / cooler.