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Old 01-20-2016 | 12:59 AM
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I have a 1994 formula 336 with hp465's. It appears that my top speed is on the low side vs. others with comparable power. My best speed run so far has been 67 @ 4900-5000 rpm, down around 5-9 mph claimed from other 336's. It still has the stock 21p non plus mirage 3 blades. The biggest difference in my boat is that it has 1.36:1 bravos. I know my rpm is low so I'm looking into getting the motors up to the 5200rpm area. My main usage would benefit from having a higher cruise speed vs top speed so 4 blade props are what I want to switch to. Would I do better moving down in pitch or swapping the drives to a 1.5:1 ratio and running a higher pitch prop like all the others have with comparable power?

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Old 01-20-2016 | 02:11 AM
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I highly doubt that the claims made by others of being 5-9mph faster are accurate/real GPS speeds.

Your prop slip is only at about 8% which is already extremely low, and realistically, too good to be true for a heavy straight V bottom boat.

Was your speed taken with GPS????

BTW, 4 blades will increase your cruise speed, but decrease top end speed. You would probably need to use REV4 props to get a small enough pitch.

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Old 01-20-2016 | 03:24 AM
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Yes the speeds were gps verified by 2 sources. The on board garmin 741xs and a gps app on an iPhone 6. I guess it is possible the tachs could be off given the slip numbers.
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Old 01-20-2016 | 08:31 PM
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I would say that your engines don't have the torque to turn that drive ratio. I have the same problem with mine. ( I solved mine by adding 89 cubic inches.) I would change the drive ratio and possibly go up 2 inches and then run the 4 blade props. Best of both worlds. The low slip number was because your drive is too deep and you don't have the torque to break the prop loose.
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Old 01-21-2016 | 01:37 AM
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I doubt the 1.36 ratio is an issue. I agree with the low X dim on his boat being an issue.
I spin 24 Bravo's to just over 5000rpms with 502mpi's with CMI's.
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Old 01-22-2016 | 08:41 PM
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Ratio can be a factor. On my boat my 650 HP 509 doesn't have the torque to spin the prop. I lost a lot more RPM than I should have from just the ratio change from 1.5 to 1.36. I figured that I would be able to spin the same prop to close to the same RPM because I went up another inch. From 2 inch shorty to a 3 inch shorty. With the 1.5 ratio -2 shorty I was turning a Bravo 28 to 6000 RPM. with the 1.36 ratio -3 shorty I was only able to get 5400 RPM. SAME MPH.
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Old 01-23-2016 | 05:07 AM
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With 465HP a side, if you changed to 1.5 gears and 25P Mirage you may touch 70 mph. I had 425 a side in my 93/336 with 1.5 and 25P mirage ran 68 @ 4800. Tried 2" shorties with 24P Bravo 1s. Mid range & cruise was great, top end suffered. That combo gave a lot of stern lift and upped the gas usage a lot.

BTW, No 336 with your power is gonna run mid 70s.
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Old 01-23-2016 | 01:04 PM
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Ratio can be a factor. On my boat my 650 HP 509 doesn't have the torque to spin the prop. I lost a lot more RPM than I should have from just the ratio change from 1.5 to 1.36. I figured that I would be able to spin the same prop to close to the same RPM because I went up another inch. From 2 inch shorty to a 3 inch shorty. With the 1.5 ratio -2 shorty I was turning a Bravo 28 to 6000 RPM. with the 1.36 ratio -3 shorty I was only able to get 5400 RPM. SAME MPH.
A 600 rpm change going from a 1.5 to a 1.36 is the normal difference in rpms.
Raising the propshaft an inch might raise the rpm slightly, but most likely only because propslip increases.
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Old 01-23-2016 | 01:12 PM
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I heard it was only 300 to 400 RPM.
Tried to do the math but can't get it right.

slip stayed the same.

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Old 01-24-2016 | 01:24 AM
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By the sounds of it I'm better off leaving it alone, enjoying it for what it is, and upgrading to a newer and faster boat in a few years. Thanks to all
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