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Crude Intentions 11-04-2012 02:34 PM

Gauge upgrade
 
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/f...uges-here.html

What do you guys think?

Payton 11-08-2012 06:43 PM

Looks good.Nice idea with the plug ins.

Crude Intentions 11-09-2012 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Payton (Post 3811635)
Looks good.Nice idea with the plug ins.

Thanks

commandersander 11-11-2012 07:48 PM

It's up to mike, but you guys might want to stay tuned to this for a while....
He's heading out again, but I volunteered to fall on the sword and help him out on this project.....
The design will be his decision....and I will help him create the reality.

Couple of ideas coming......

Crude Intentions 11-12-2012 05:08 PM

Yes and I certainly appreciate it Rich!!

commandersander 11-14-2012 05:51 PM

Here we go.....
 
All right folks....

Here is the outline:
I am going to make a panel...options and design are 100% the owner (I.C.U./Mike) and the finished product is his entirely for zero, zip, zill, zilch, nada..u get the point....

I am not the best at fab....but I am good. If there comes a time when u are wanting more info....tooling....sourcing raw materials...technique, please...speak up. If I know, I will share.

My next post will be a description and opinion of process.....and I will post daily on progress as mike and I approach a final product.

If you are better equipped/knowledgable about this process, please....chime in! A fellow member/members of our community will benefit from me/us.

So....it begins......

commandersander 11-14-2012 08:39 PM

Tooling
 
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Really easy here....and a minimum of cost and space required....

Simple things you most likely own already...
Drill (vari speed)
Screw gun...not a 1/4 inch impact!
Jig saw (also vari-speed)
Router table. I put the (.) at the end to convey the importance. It is not optional. I can build anything...
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with the items listed above...but nothing without the table.

Here it is....and as before...cheap. WITH router and electric add-ons and a simple selection of bits and bearings, I am wayyy below 500 for a start....

commandersander 11-14-2012 08:45 PM

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Basically, it is a table that I made using box tube, angle and plexi with a hinged front access and a rubber rim.

Later, I added a JessEm lift...not necessary, but whoa what a great piece of machinery...

commandersander 11-14-2012 08:52 PM

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The router is a 3/4 horse Porter Cable with a 1/2 inch chuck (collet) but I also have the 1/4 inch collet.

The JessEm gives me infinite adjustment on the "x" axis.

Here is a look at something I did to mount a fishfinder and GPS on acrylic in the ProLine (no...not the one that the phuckbagz in Port Charlotte sank)....

commandersander 11-14-2012 08:58 PM

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I take a piece of crap 11x3/4 inch pine shelving from Lowes/Depot and trace a heavy border of the piece ONTO the pine.....cut it out...bigger than needed...and force bondo into the gap between my "part" and my "template"...

Oh....and make sure you tape your "part" to prevent phucking it up with bondo!!!!

I lay the part (GPS/gauge/switch/whatever) face down on wax paper to prevent my project from messing up my router table...

commandersander 11-14-2012 09:03 PM

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I now have a 100% exact negative of the perimeter of the component I am trying to make an accomodation for in my panel....which in this case....is the Garmin ++...

commandersander 11-14-2012 09:35 PM

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Once I have that "frame"....I can transfer to whatever I am working on....wood....metal...glass...

Two big pros are....I have the template and can manipulate the position and where and any how....plus....it is a press fit into the finished part with a VERY low profile.....but still has the ability to be serviced and or replaced...

commandersander 11-14-2012 09:40 PM

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So...now to our resident task....

Mike (I.C.U.) and his upgrade...

Here is the collection along with the original helm panel, and proposed replacement...

commandersander 11-14-2012 09:47 PM

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Asthetically, my issue with this is the layout and "extrusion" from the panel.

Not baggin Mike....but really no need for an upgrade unless youre gonna
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So....where to start....??

We need a "clean" surface...then we can do the layout options..

commandersander 11-14-2012 09:54 PM

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First pic looks like a big square....but pic two shows the protective (peel coat) removed and you see we are dealing with 1/4" semi-transparent acrylic.

NOT PLEXI-GLAS!!!!!!

Acrylic.

I lay the original on my N E W dash (helm) panel...

32hustlin 11-14-2012 09:57 PM

Very nice work, you explained the router and jigging process very well.I did a dash upgrade last winter and went through your pain i got a little lazy and got it done w a cnc setup but mine was also 3 sided. I used 1/4 polycarbonate as a backer then bent my wing pieces on a heavy sheet metal brake with adjustable jaws. I also had a duplicate made from a carbon fiber veneer with an adhesive backing. I sheared it into 3 pieces and glued them on. Pm me if you want pics for ideas I noticed there wasn't any talk of what you were gonna make the dash panel out of

commandersander 11-14-2012 10:01 PM

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Trace it out....use a F A T tipped marker.

I say this so you don't cut your new piece to small. There needs to be a bit of margin for error there.....and if you "cut" the line....you are always "safe"......

Up to you...but here are a few tips....

Use a vari-speed jig-saw
Use it a L O W speed when cuttin acrylic
Use the blade tension at loose while cutting.....

Below, you will find my tried and trued results....without shameless promotion...

commandersander 11-14-2012 10:25 PM

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When it comes to ANY plastic/acrylic and cutting, heat will ruin your day! Just consider....it is heat that is used to create these products from raw material....

So....while cutting, go slow! Go easy!

How many times have you taken something apart...and put it back together with minimal "force"....only to realize later that it is now PHUCKED?

Slow. Easy. Oh yeah....and slow.

WD-40 helps too! Keeps it slick and cool....ask my wife....

NO...DON'T!!!!!!!:lolhit:

Back to the task....

commandersander 11-14-2012 10:30 PM

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Now...cut it out ROUGH with the jig saw...no shameless plug intended....but remember to go SLOW....and keep it tight to you line without going inside....

A closer look shows the final prep for the router table...2-sided thin tape from a local supplier (national actually) and the adjustment of the JessEm to the factory (original) panel to the NEW panel

commandersander 11-14-2012 10:38 PM

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Grrrrr....gettin drunk now...

commandersander 11-14-2012 10:49 PM

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This is where the JessEm makes life easy....I adjust the height of the cut "X" in 1000ths. Important due to the fact that the bit has a 1/16 gap between the cut and bearing

commandersander 11-14-2012 10:54 PM

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Cut....

Slow.....

Mess.....

New panel to start N E W layout....

commandersander 11-14-2012 11:03 PM

OK gang...thanks for playin.

Time for bed here on the east coast....got a horny wife that has no clue about WD-40 talk....so take it easy if you see her at an event....

Her name is :

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Someday....she'll find out about this....and I am gonna need a place to stay....so it you tell her....

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More tomorrow...and maybe a vote thread....

FOR THE DESIGN GUTTER RATZ!!!!

Crude Intentions 11-14-2012 11:06 PM

Very awesome Rich. I am glad I left it in your capable hands. Can't wait to be back off the boat and drunk with ya!! This thing is gonna be so badass when it's all back together with new armrests with cupholders(again thank you) and all my interior redone.

Crude Intentions 11-14-2012 11:32 PM

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Here is the port side panels being painted. They will have some airbrushing done when I get them back. All panels will be repainted this color.

commandersander 11-14-2012 11:42 PM

One thing I can not stand to see....in a finished product...

Fastening method....

So much of new styling and design is about the lack of detectectable fastening method...

Makes you go hmmm when you look at it.

Special in any build or design is what you can't see....even if you are trained...

Trust me braugh.....urrrrr gonna see what I mean ove the next posts....

If'n it aint too late, tell the paint shop to remake those outta 1/4" whathahelleva and "skip": the holes for fastening....

We gotcha

Crude Intentions 11-15-2012 12:05 AM

Ok. I'm gonna go with these like they are. If I end up not liking the fasteners when all is said and done ill remake these 3 at a later date. Still have 2 more by trim switches and throttles to do and ignition switch side and toggle switch Side. So still a lot to figure out.

Once everything else is done shouldn't be a very difficult process to shave screw holes from these pieces and reshoot.

commandersander 11-15-2012 08:20 AM

Yup, yup....

More tonight....gotta charter at 10 till....?

Crude Intentions 11-15-2012 08:23 AM

Awesome Rich. Hope charter goes well

masi242 11-15-2012 07:27 PM

Great job thanks for sharing.

commandersander 11-15-2012 10:09 PM

Sorry
 
Oh well.."

I came up with about ten different designs...had the pics forwarded to my home tower.......with descriptions ready inmy cerebrral cortex...

Daughter had a fable due tomorrow....needed to use the tower for WORD....and I can't post images from this here ipud.

I will put some tomorrow...she has all weekend to do whatever homework....

Crude Intentions 11-16-2012 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by commandersander (Post 3816020)
Oh well.."

I came up with about ten different designs...had the pics forwarded to my home tower.......with descriptions ready inmy cerebrral cortex...

Daughter had a fable due tomorrow....needed to use the tower for WORD....and I can't post images from this here ipud.

I will put some tomorrow...she has all weekend to do whatever homework....

Damn school work. Lol. We need to go offshore. Time goes slow sittin at te dock.

commandersander 11-16-2012 08:41 AM

Time to Design
 
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We have a new panel....

Now, I need a way to "simulate" the placement of the various items that I plan to use in this area....

As you noticed, the peel coat stayed attached to the factory panel when I seperated them....but that is fine. You can use frisket paper or even cling wrap (for food) to protect the surface and allow you to draw or make other refrence marks..

commandersander 11-16-2012 08:48 AM

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Of course, you can get a contrasting color of paper and cut circles to simulate the gauges...

I like to use objects for placement that I have laying around...

FloScan just so happened to be the same as a 3" pvc coupler.

commandersander 11-16-2012 08:51 AM

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And the gauges were the same as (most) spray bomb caps...but not rustoleum.

commandersander 11-16-2012 08:57 AM

Details....
 
So, red for stbd, black for port, single white is fuel and the two remaining are p/s trim.

All iof the items are max dimention without rings. I can add, but of course, this would change the placement slightly.

I do not have a recommendation. These are all possible layouts and all can be tossed out the window.

I will say, I prefer to have port and stbd segregated so that I am not looking all the way from on end to the other in a row as is was from factory....

And thats all I have to say about that!

Crude Intentions 11-16-2012 09:05 AM

Your avatar f*c*ks me up everytime I see it. Haha

I feel like a kid in a candy store waiting to see.

commandersander 11-16-2012 09:18 AM

Ok...Im gonna take the next four days off.....

More posts on Tuesday!!!:eekdrop:

Crude Intentions 11-16-2012 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by commandersander (Post 3816250)
Ok...Im gonna take the next four days off.....

More posts on Tuesday!!!:eekdrop:

That's just downright mean!! I'm gonna be makin a run soon so god only knows how long I'll be stuck offshore without phone signal. Gotta take a heliport out to a platform.

commandersander 11-16-2012 09:29 AM

Just kidding.....
 
I know....that wasn't nice....:party-smiley-004:


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